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Just found out you are the poster Ricky. Got banned and came back with a new username? Really must love this site. You're the same dude that went ballistic over Kovalev/Ward II, crying like a b@tch. You don't deserve further replies from me on the subject, we just agree to disagree. I don't want more water works.


Also, Bivol, like Ward, will own Kovalev. Good day......

Not entirely sure why the doctor can't examine him during the time between the rounds.
It certainly did seem like Wilder got the benefit of the refs in the round where he was getting battered. I would argue that the fight should of definitely been stopped a couple seconds before the end of it because Wilder was definitely taking multiple punches without firing back.
It was actually almost identical to right before the moment when Klitschko got stopped against Joshua, yet Wilder for some reason got the benefit of the doubt in comparison to Wlad.
Ultimately its all money driven. Wilder team knew that they had the fight secured on the cards. So getting deontay to the finish line at that particular moment was the goal. The fact that Ortiz gassed out was a bonus, but that too was in the back of their minds the whole fight since it was always a young in his prime fighter vs basically a 40 year old cuban past his prime

In California for years they stop the clock between rounds when a doctor comes in to examine a fighter.

It's just the norm here. Strictly a safety precaution. The doctor isn't supposed to be rushed.

But the usual array of conspiracy theorists always need something to gnaw on.

armageto wrote: ↑05 Mar 2018, 10:50

happyNY18 wrote: ↑05 Mar 2018, 06:55

armageto wrote: ↑05 Mar 2018, 01:36

The Magomed example is spot on because that fight is the reason the N.Y. commission is a lot more cautious making sure fighters are ok. If them killing 10-15 seconds extra can perhaps save a fighters life, I'm all for it. The 15 second delay really made no difference. Ortiz had his chance before and after this delay and just couldn't get the job done.

Sometimes fans of the sport make me wonder. This isn't gladiator games in the Roman Empire. When most guys take a brutal beating and quit, they have no heart or courage on this site. I mean there's some cases where people deserved to get bashed (Rigo against Loma), but anything that prevents guys from getting hurt permanently, I'm all for. If that's not taking excessive punishment when the fight is pretty much over or checking in on a fighter to make sure he is ok.

You're not getting it.

The action was killed during a LIVE round for 20 seconds to check over a hurt fighter. You seem to be giving it a pass because it was the start of the round.

Why not do it during the onslaught in the previous round when Ortiz was pummelling Wilder? How about when Ortiz goes down the first time in r9? He beats the count but the ref thinks "hmmm better get the doctor to check him over for 20 seconds".

You don't seem to grasp the precedent this sets - this is a first for boxing, a doctor check where there is no cut, just a badly rocked fighter.

You can't stop the fight during a live round to have the doctor check over a hurt fighter. Period. Why do i even need to state this obvious point on a boxing forum? If the ref has doubts the fighter is fit to continue, that's usually a TKO - not a makeshift doctor's appointment on the ring apron.

You're the one who isn't getting it. You make it seem like it was stopped right in the middle of action. Fights are stopped in the middle of live rounds to look at cuts, cut tape, clean up water, get a mouthpiece back in, etc. There was no actual action happening that round that would have caused an unfair break in the action. It wasn't 20 seconds also, looked less than 15 seconds to me.

I do grasp the precedent it sets, you know why, because NY has done this in recent times. You have NY in your username, soooo how do you not know this, assuming you are from NY? If 10-15 seconds help protect a fighter from further injury, I'm all for it.

You probably just don't like Wilder, just come out and say that. This fight was good for the division and has people talking about the HW's more, especially here in the states. Of all the things that should be criminally investigated in the sport, you pick this?!?! Come on guy.......

No, you aren't getting it, and have a short-sighted view that is only limited to this fight. My annoyance here has little to do with which fighter had their hand raised - but more the same-old bias i witness every weekend, skewed towards the guy who is supposed to win.

"Fights are stopped in the middle of live rounds to look at cuts, cut tape, clean up water, get a mouthpiece back in, etc."

Yup - but when are they ever stopped because a fighter is rocked and needs examined by a doctor before recommencing the bout? Never.

Infact, there's been occasion before where fighters have been docked points for spitting the gum shield out to buy the vital recovery time that was simply handed to Wilder on Saturday. Angelo Dundee infamously cheated in Ali's bout with Cooper by ripping his glove - illegally buying him more time to recover. With a home-cookin' ref like Wilder had, he could have just stalled with a doctor on the ring apron and saved the trouble of getting another glove.

As for me "not liking Wilder" - i didn't really gave a dog in this fight, i orobably would have liked to have seen Ortiz pull it off but the division has a more exciting future with the mega-fight prospect of DW vs AJ. My opinion on the conduct of the referee has nothing to do with who i wanted to win.

The same goes for Ward-Kovalev 2 which you mentioned. Again it's a very similar scenario. Home cooking for the guy that is supposed to win.

Never in my life have i seen a time-out & doctor inspection for a non-cut.

Never before have i seen a fight ended by a clear punch (or 3) to the nuts.

The actions of the officials in these bouts are outright corrupt. Outrageous, and worthy of the scorn of all fans who want to protect the integrity of the bouts we pay to watch.

You're too much of a child too see the bigger picture and concern yourself only about who you root for.

So "happy" (a misnomer of a name if ever there was one) let's cut through all your reams of blithering BS and get directly to the point:

Exactly how much money did you lose betting on Ortiz?

SenorPipino wrote: ↑05 Mar 2018, 15:39 So "happy" (a misnomer of a name if ever there was one) let's cut through all your reams of blithering BS and get directly to the point:

Exactly how much money did you lose betting on Ortiz?

It's Ricky. Racist Ricky, from what some have said. It probably upset him that a black man won. He doesn't even comprehend the fact, after told multiple times, the N.Y. commission has stopped fights like this before, in the same manner. As you stated, CA has paused the time in the corner to have a fighter examined. When else would you do it, probably after a round a fighter took a lot of punishment. It's not hard to understand. God forbid a doctor take a few extra seconds to look at a fighter.

Mods, Racist Ricky was banned once. Help this man along to find his way to the internet door once more. After all, you were supposed to stop posting after Ward/Kovalev II, or so you said. Then you should have been gone once you were banned. Then you came back, and your first post you said it was your last post, you just wanted to say some things. Just leave already....

armageto wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 20:39 N.Y. does this at times since the Perez/Magomed fight. They are trying to look out for fighters and make sure they are ok. It seemed less than 15 seconds to me. Did it make a difference, in my opinion no. Ortiz had the round before to finish Wilder. Wilder still wasn't there and he then had a whole round to finish him. Just couldn't do it. People are just trying to find anything to discredit Wilder. This quick stoppage, Ortiz was too old, rabbit punching, etc. Wilder fought and stopped a top 4 HW in the division. Let's give the man some credit. I'm not even a big Wilder fan, I can see his faults and have called out his competition for a while. I can at least see he improved and this is a nice win for his resume. He gives fans their money worth due to his out of nowhere KO power and his vulnerability...

It's pretty ridiculous. If they were going to check is should be within the 60 seconds between rounds. If they are still concerned, stop the fighter on his stool.

armageto wrote: ↑05 Mar 2018, 16:02

SenorPipino wrote: ↑05 Mar 2018, 15:39 So "happy" (a misnomer of a name if ever there was one) let's cut through all your reams of blithering BS and get directly to the point:

Exactly how much money did you lose betting on Ortiz?

It's Ricky. Racist Ricky, from what some have said. It probably upset him that a black man won. He doesn't even comprehend the fact, after told multiple times, the N.Y. commission has stopped fights like this before, in the same manner. As you stated, CA has paused the time in the corner to have a fighter examined. When else would you do it, probably after a round a fighter took a lot of punishment. It's not hard to understand. God forbid a doctor take a few extra seconds to look at a fighter.

Mods, Racist Ricky was banned once. Help this man along to find his way to the internet door once more. After all, you were supposed to stop posting after Ward/Kovalev II, or so you said. Then you should have been gone once you were banned. Then you came back, and your first post you said it was your last post, you just wanted to say some things. Just leave already....

well if it upset him a black man won he was pretty much screwed either way then

armageto wrote: ↑05 Mar 2018, 16:02
It's Ricky. Racist Ricky, from what some have said. It probably upset him that a black man won.

This is why don't post any more, although I'll always have an account here (to view weights & records).

The above is ridiculous on so many levels, posted by an utterly brain dead retard that's sadly the quality of contributor here now.

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jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑05 Mar 2018, 16:17

armageto wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 20:39 N.Y. does this at times since the Perez/Magomed fight. They are trying to look out for fighters and make sure they are ok. It seemed less than 15 seconds to me. Did it make a difference, in my opinion no. Ortiz had the round before to finish Wilder. Wilder still wasn't there and he then had a whole round to finish him. Just couldn't do it. People are just trying to find anything to discredit Wilder. This quick stoppage, Ortiz was too old, rabbit punching, etc. Wilder fought and stopped a top 4 HW in the division. Let's give the man some credit. I'm not even a big Wilder fan, I can see his faults and have called out his competition for a while. I can at least see he improved and this is a nice win for his resume. He gives fans their money worth due to his out of nowhere KO power and his vulnerability...

It's pretty ridiculous. If they were going to check is should be within the 60 seconds between rounds. If they are still concerned, stop the fighter on his stool.

States like CA pause the time in-between rounds for a doctor to inspect. Virtually this is the same exact thing, but instead of interrupting the corner, they look after. To me, if you can save a fighter from permanent injuries for 10-15 seconds, I'm all for it. Wilder wasn't recovered still after that and Ortiz still couldn't stop him. The 15 seconds, IMO, did nothing to alter the fight.

jamamb wrote: ↑05 Mar 2018, 16:20

armageto wrote: ↑05 Mar 2018, 16:02

SenorPipino wrote: ↑05 Mar 2018, 15:39 So "happy" (a misnomer of a name if ever there was one) let's cut through all your reams of blithering BS and get directly to the point:

Exactly how much money did you lose betting on Ortiz?

It's Ricky. Racist Ricky, from what some have said. It probably upset him that a black man won. He doesn't even comprehend the fact, after told multiple times, the N.Y. commission has stopped fights like this before, in the same manner. As you stated, CA has paused the time in the corner to have a fighter examined. When else would you do it, probably after a round a fighter took a lot of punishment. It's not hard to understand. God forbid a doctor take a few extra seconds to look at a fighter.

Mods, Racist Ricky was banned once. Help this man along to find his way to the internet door once more. After all, you were supposed to stop posting after Ward/Kovalev II, or so you said. Then you should have been gone once you were banned. Then you came back, and your first post you said it was your last post, you just wanted to say some things. Just leave already....

well if it upset him a black man won he was pretty much screwed either way then

Technically Ortiz is Cuban, but maybe Ricky was hoping for a draw.....

happyNY18 wrote: ↑05 Mar 2018, 16:43

armageto wrote: ↑05 Mar 2018, 16:02
It's Ricky. Racist Ricky, from what some have said. It probably upset him that a black man won.

This is why don't post any more, although I'll always have an account here (to view weights & records).

The above is ridiculous on so many levels, posted by an utterly brain dead retard that's sadly the quality of contributor here now.

I don't follow your posts, thus I said "From what some have said". I've never even noticed you as a poster, until your epic crying rant after the Kovalev/Ward fight and internet name calling. Which was confirmed when you were banned and you said you were quitting the board, twice, but yet here you are. Still crying and ranting. You really don't understand simple things, for example to everyone check the beard thread. People show you proof or examples on subjects, yet you still bitch. Get the F off the board of you can't discuss boxing like a normal person.....

armageto wrote: ↑05 Mar 2018, 17:06

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑05 Mar 2018, 16:17

armageto wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 20:39 N.Y. does this at times since the Perez/Magomed fight. They are trying to look out for fighters and make sure they are ok. It seemed less than 15 seconds to me. Did it make a difference, in my opinion no. Ortiz had the round before to finish Wilder. Wilder still wasn't there and he then had a whole round to finish him. Just couldn't do it. People are just trying to find anything to discredit Wilder. This quick stoppage, Ortiz was too old, rabbit punching, etc. Wilder fought and stopped a top 4 HW in the division. Let's give the man some credit. I'm not even a big Wilder fan, I can see his faults and have called out his competition for a while. I can at least see he improved and this is a nice win for his resume. He gives fans their money worth due to his out of nowhere KO power and his vulnerability...

It's pretty ridiculous. If they were going to check is should be within the 60 seconds between rounds. If they are still concerned, stop the fighter on his stool.

States like CA pause the time in-between rounds for a doctor to inspect. Virtually this is the same exact thing, but instead of interrupting the corner, they look after. To me, if you can save a fighter from permanent injuries for 10-15 seconds, I'm all for it. Wilder wasn't recovered still after that and Ortiz still couldn't stop him. The 15 seconds, IMO, did nothing to alter the fight.

You cannot know that. The rules 9f the sport are that you have 60 seconds to come to scratch, no more, no less; any commission that doesnt respect that is a horses arse. It's ridiculous to give a fighter an extra 15 seconds to recover between rounds because you're checking they are ok to continue!

armageto wrote: ↑05 Mar 2018, 16:02

SenorPipino wrote: ↑05 Mar 2018, 15:39 So "happy" (a misnomer of a name if ever there was one) let's cut through all your reams of blithering BS and get directly to the point:

Exactly how much money did you lose betting on Ortiz?

It's Ricky. Racist Ricky, from what some have said. It probably upset him that a black man won. He doesn't even comprehend the fact, after told multiple times, the N.Y. commission has stopped fights like this before, in the same manner. As you stated, CA has paused the time in the corner to have a fighter examined. When else would you do it, probably after a round a fighter took a lot of punishment. It's not hard to understand. God forbid a doctor take a few extra seconds to look at a fighter.

Mods, Racist Ricky was banned once. Help this man along to find his way to the internet door once more. After all, you were supposed to stop posting after Ward/Kovalev II, or so you said. Then you should have been gone once you were banned. Then you came back, and your first post you said it was your last post, you just wanted to say some things. Just leave already....

Well if "happy Ricky" gets upset when a black man wins in boxing, he must spend most of his life gulping anti-depressants.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑05 Mar 2018, 17:24

armageto wrote: ↑05 Mar 2018, 17:06

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑05 Mar 2018, 16:17

It's pretty ridiculous. If they were going to check is should be within the 60 seconds between rounds. If they are still concerned, stop the fighter on his stool.

States like CA pause the time in-between rounds for a doctor to inspect. Virtually this is the same exact thing, but instead of interrupting the corner, they look after. To me, if you can save a fighter from permanent injuries for 10-15 seconds, I'm all for it. Wilder wasn't recovered still after that and Ortiz still couldn't stop him. The 15 seconds, IMO, did nothing to alter the fight.

You cannot know that. The rules 9f the sport are that you have 60 seconds to come to scratch, no more, no less; any commission that doesnt respect that is a horses arse. It's ridiculous to give a fighter an extra 15 seconds to recover between rounds because you're checking they are ok to continue!

I'm just telling you NY has done it before, as Señor said CA does too. Hell, I've seen on TV a few times when in between a round has been extended because a doctor is looking at a fighter. So the doctor has to be rushed? Or the corner has to be rushed because the doctor took the whole time? I'm all for the safety of the fighters. If a doctor takes a little extra time, I don't care. We aren't watching games at the Coliseum and people are fighting to the death. IMO, Ortiz shot his load at the end of the 7th and couldn't finish him in the 8th. Give him back the 15, give him an extra 15, same result. He got stopped.

armageto wrote: ↑05 Mar 2018, 17:07

jamamb wrote: ↑05 Mar 2018, 16:20

armageto wrote: ↑05 Mar 2018, 16:02

It's Ricky. Racist Ricky, from what some have said. It probably upset him that a black man won. He doesn't even comprehend the fact, after told multiple times, the N.Y. commission has stopped fights like this before, in the same manner. As you stated, CA has paused the time in the corner to have a fighter examined. When else would you do it, probably after a round a fighter took a lot of punishment. It's not hard to understand. God forbid a doctor take a few extra seconds to look at a fighter.

Mods, Racist Ricky was banned once. Help this man along to find his way to the internet door once more. After all, you were supposed to stop posting after Ward/Kovalev II, or so you said. Then you should have been gone once you were banned. Then you came back, and your first post you said it was your last post, you just wanted to say some things. Just leave already....

well if it upset him a black man won he was pretty much screwed either way then

Technically Ortiz is Cuban, but maybe Ricky was hoping for a draw.....

yes a black cuban .. unless im mssng something there

Another thing worth mention, especially since the Mago/Perez fight, the doctor doesn't have to suggest things to the ref in N.Y. He can stop the fight on his own, look at a fighter, etc, it's up to his discretion to do so.

Anyhow, I'm not a Wilder fan, nor do I root against him. Ortiz or his camp didn't complain, at least from what I've heard on the matter. I don't think the 15 seconds made a difference, if you did, we just agree to disagree. If you aren't for fighter safety though, we're not disagreeing, you just need to follow a new sport.

jamamb wrote: ↑05 Mar 2018, 17:40

armageto wrote: ↑05 Mar 2018, 17:07

jamamb wrote: ↑05 Mar 2018, 16:20

well if it upset him a black man won he was pretty much screwed either way then

Technically Ortiz is Cuban, but maybe Ricky was hoping for a draw.....

yes a black cuban .. unless im mssng something there

At least where I'm from, Wilder would be seen as black (African-American) and Ortiz would be seen as Spanish (Cuban). Everybody differs on it though.

so is a guy such as erslandy lara not seen as black?

jamamb wrote: ↑05 Mar 2018, 17:53 so is a guy such as erslandy lara not seen as black?

He'd be Spanish. Everybody is different, but growing up, for somebody to be called "black", they were just from African American heritage. Logically speaking, we all were, since the earliest man was found there. A lot of Islanders have some direct linkage to Africa as well. I know, it doesn't make much sense in reality. Just when I hear something like a "black boxer", I don't consider Spanish.

happyNY18 wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 13:36 Why is nothing being said about this clear case of corruption?

Wilder was out of his feet at the end of r7.

Clearly the ref felt he needed a few seconds more to recover. What was the time-out for? Wilder wasn't cut.

Sh!t like this is supposed to be subtle corruption - a helping hand for the guy who is supposed to win. Boxing fans aren't stupid - so why is crap by bias officials tolerated? The only way anything ever gets done is when Floyd gets screwed (cj ross).

Boxing corruption is so pervasive now that they don't even trouble themselves to be subtle. It used to be the guys in the shadows passing money. Now they are right in your face. Judges making blatantly absurd decisions, fighters taking dives, referees obviously on the payroll, drug testing gangs run out of Las Vegas of all places, ridiculous fight cards, icing out of boxers who don't pay the bagman or aren't in the "club" - like Oquendo in the past and Povetkin now. They don't care. F U it's over it's already old news, swept under the rug quick as can be. Never happened. You're a "conspiracy theorist" if you even remember it or ask why!

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑05 Mar 2018, 17:24

armageto wrote: ↑05 Mar 2018, 17:06

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑05 Mar 2018, 16:17

It's pretty ridiculous. If they were going to check is should be within the 60 seconds between rounds. If they are still concerned, stop the fighter on his stool.

States like CA pause the time in-between rounds for a doctor to inspect. Virtually this is the same exact thing, but instead of interrupting the corner, they look after. To me, if you can save a fighter from permanent injuries for 10-15 seconds, I'm all for it. Wilder wasn't recovered still after that and Ortiz still couldn't stop him. The 15 seconds, IMO, did nothing to alter the fight.

You cannot know that. The rules 9f the sport are that you have 60 seconds to come to scratch, no more, no less; any commission that doesnt respect that is a horses arse. It's ridiculous to give a fighter an extra 15 seconds to recover between rounds because you're checking they are ok to continue!

Well somewhere along the line, multiple commissions have wisely decided that giving extra scrutiny to a fighter's health and safety is more important than blindly preserving that Holy 60 second respite between rounds.

Wilder had a little help and yes it was blatant incompetence. Still, I think Wilder would have still survived despite the extra time.

I remember a time when Cleverly was helped to his corner by the referee Terry O'Conner after Kovalev landed some heavy artillery. This sort of stuff happens occasionally to the favorable fighter.

Cas wrote: ↑06 Mar 2018, 00:19 Wilder had a little help and yes it was blatant incompetence. Still, I think Wilder would have still survived despite the extra time.

I remember a time when Cleverly was helped to his corner by the referee Terry O'Conner after Kovalev landed some heavy artillery. This sort of stuff happens occasionally to the favorable fighter.

That's it exactly.... Wilder was badly hurt and they gave him extra time to recover.... You don't check for a concussion at the start of a round... You check between rounds and make a decision before the bell rings ... Can he continue or NOT??? .... If you're not sure he can continue, you err on the side of caution and stop it.... Ortiz wins the Title and fights Joshua.