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Re: Wilder why the love?
Posted: 08 Mar 2018, 09:41
by Mexi-Box
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑07 Mar 2018, 13:25
ajwesty13 wrote: ↑07 Mar 2018, 12:39
I've been frequenting boxrec for a few years now and have liked and disliked many views, topics, arguments and even enjoying horses controversial top 10's but I've always understood the logic behind the opinions even if I didn't agree or were to stubborn.. but one view I cannot get my head around is why people appear to have the love for wilder in the boxing community... most of you appear to be boxing purists just how is possible to enjoy such a ugly style of boxing?? Please explain..
PS bet this is the first ever topic on this
I don’t think boxing fans have been particularly fond of Deontay Wilder at all… at least until he
defied expectations and defeated Luis Ortiz in a very exciting bout (for at least last five rounds).
Wilder needed to defeat a legitimate contender in order to be considered a serious threat to AJ and he finally achieved that last weekend.
‘The Bronze Bomber’ has many flaws for sure, but they are outweighed by his strengths and he is also fun to watch.
Wilder was the favorite. He defeated a 50 year old Cuban that looked horrific previously going into the fight.
Re: Wilder why the love?
Posted: 08 Mar 2018, 10:30
by Enlightened-One
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑08 Mar 2018, 09:41
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑07 Mar 2018, 13:25
ajwesty13 wrote: ↑07 Mar 2018, 12:39
I've been frequenting boxrec for a few years now and have liked and disliked many views, topics, arguments and even enjoying horses controversial top 10's but I've always understood the logic behind the opinions even if I didn't agree or were to stubborn.. but one view I cannot get my head around is why people appear to have the love for wilder in the boxing community... most of you appear to be boxing purists just how is possible to enjoy such a ugly style of boxing?? Please explain..
PS bet this is the first ever topic on this
I don’t think boxing fans have been particularly fond of Deontay Wilder at all… at least until he
defied expectations and defeated Luis Ortiz in a very exciting bout (for at least last five rounds).
Wilder needed to defeat a legitimate contender in order to be considered a serious threat to AJ and he finally achieved that last weekend.
‘The Bronze Bomber’ has many flaws for sure, but they are outweighed by his strengths and he is also fun to watch.
Wilder was the favorite. He defeated a 50 year old Cuban that looked horrific previously going into the fight.
You’re missing the point or perhaps I didn’t explain myself clearly.
Wilder “defied expectations” by showing a level of durability, determination and grit that many people didn’t expect him to have. He also admirably managed to snatch victory from the “perceived” jaws of defeat, since he never stopped believing in himself.
For the record, I expected Wilder to defeat Ortiz with consummate ease, but ‘The Bronze Bomber’ got his tactics wrong by trying to outbox his opponent and compete at a sedate pace.
Re: Wilder why the love?
Posted: 08 Mar 2018, 10:55
by ajwesty13
Ok I'm starting to understand the love.. Think vlad as good as he was, appeared to drain the passion out the HW division with his clinging style.. We should forget the basic boxing style with Wilder and just enjoy the unpredictability..
Re: Wilder why the love?
Posted: 08 Mar 2018, 11:33
by tiny_acres
As a guy who normally gravitates to pure boxing.
Wilder is my guilty pleasure. Unpredictable unorthodox and just fun to watch.
You never know what to expect
Re: Wilder why the love?
Posted: 08 Mar 2018, 12:01
by G.McClellan
Kalan wrote: ↑08 Mar 2018, 03:00
jamamb wrote: ↑07 Mar 2018, 20:52
they are a huge way off 2 m ppvs , at least in the us
what are deontays tv numbers so far? mainly below 1m right? and thats either 'free' tv or showtime
things is too, ortiz got beat, parker gonna get beat, who else major is there?
You have the wrong idea about getting beat.... Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Norton, Lewis, Holyfield, Tyson, all got their asses BEAT... So what if they DID??? IT'S A GAME!!! If you fight high drama fights you're GOING to lose some... All the above got beaten a few times, but their rematches drew bigger numbers because of the drama of their fights... Their names got bigger and bigger.. It's the FAME that sells... It's the DRAMA that sells... It's NOT the O that sells.
Wilder-Ortiz wasn't big because they were undefeated... It was big because both men were took big risks... They could be knocked cold any moment... Wilder was a punch away from getting blasted out... So was Ortiz... If they fought 2 years ago they'd have a trilogy completed by now... Both would be rich -- and more bankable, even with losses.
Let the O go... What was the richest Heavyweight Fight of ALL TIME??? ... How many losses did the 2 fighters have??? And Ortiz and Wilder were both undefeated.... And how much money did they make in comparison???
The sweet truth.
Thanks for sharing it.
Re: Wilder why the love?
Posted: 08 Mar 2018, 12:31
by IKSRTFO
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑08 Mar 2018, 09:41
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑07 Mar 2018, 13:25
ajwesty13 wrote: ↑07 Mar 2018, 12:39
I've been frequenting boxrec for a few years now and have liked and disliked many views, topics, arguments and even enjoying horses controversial top 10's but I've always understood the logic behind the opinions even if I didn't agree or were to stubborn.. but one view I cannot get my head around is why people appear to have the love for wilder in the boxing community... most of you appear to be boxing purists just how is possible to enjoy such a ugly style of boxing?? Please explain..
PS bet this is the first ever topic on this
I don’t think boxing fans have been particularly fond of Deontay Wilder at all… at least until he
defied expectations and defeated Luis Ortiz in a very exciting bout (for at least last five rounds).
Wilder needed to defeat a legitimate contender in order to be considered a serious threat to AJ and he finally achieved that last weekend.
‘The Bronze Bomber’ has many flaws for sure, but they are outweighed by his strengths and he is also fun to watch.
Wilder was the favorite. He defeated a 50 year old Cuban that looked horrific previously going into the fight.
And Joshua defeated an older Wlad coming off a loss.
Re: Wilder why the love?
Posted: 09 Mar 2018, 10:09
by Tony1244
ajwesty13 wrote: ↑07 Mar 2018, 12:39
I've been frequenting boxrec for a few years now and have liked and disliked many views, topics, arguments and even enjoying horses controversial top 10's but I've always understood the logic behind the opinions even if I didn't agree or were to stubborn..
but one view I cannot get my head around is why people appear to have the love for wilder in the boxing community... most of you appear to be boxing purists just how is possible to enjoy such a ugly style of boxing?? Please explain..
PS bet this is the first ever topic on this
Others have touched on this but it comes down to one word:
Vulnerability.
As an ol' school wrestling fan, I remember a wrestling historian was asked why there was so much love for Bruno Sammartino. He said, "Everyone focuses on the obvious; an Italian immigrant. But that would cover a lot of people, the absolute reason is he looks so vulnerable out there."
It's like being a Bob Dylan fan. There are a couple on board here. Sometimes he knocks it out of the park. Other performances he looks really really bad. It only accentuates when he does great. Same situation with Wilder. When you're about to count any of the 3 out, they go in for the kill.
Re: Wilder why the love?
Posted: 09 Mar 2018, 17:21
by JohnL
The anticipation of the hammer's fall.
Re: Wilder why the love?
Posted: 09 Mar 2018, 17:50
by oogiebe
JohnL wrote: ↑09 Mar 2018, 17:21
The anticipation of the hammer's fall.
...to the point...agreed.