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Posted: **13 Mar 2018, 04:16**

jamamb wrote: ↑13 Mar 2018, 02:30 i have a hard time still ranking povetkin above wilder

I rated Wilder over Povetkin, but that's kinda formality, as Wilder is a champ and has finally defended against a top guy, but I still pick Povetkin to win Wilder for the moment.

Posted: **13 Mar 2018, 04:20**

AJ
Wilder
Povetkin
Parker
Ortiz
Pulev
Breazeale
Hughie Fury
Miller
Takam
Browne
Whyte
Duhaupas
Kownacki
Ruiz

Posted: **13 Mar 2018, 04:55**

Going by who they have beaten...

1. Joshua
2. Povetkin
3. Pulev
4. Wilder
5. Parker
6. Ortiz
7. Takam
8. Miller
9. Breazeale
10. Hammer
11. Whyte
12. Browne
13. Duhaupas
14. Ruiz
15. H. Fury

Its pretty hard to rank 10-15 as the quality really drops around that mark.

Posted: **13 Mar 2018, 07:49**

tiny_acres wrote: ↑13 Mar 2018, 00:27
Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 20:39 1) Tyson Fury

2) Anthony Joshua

3) Deontay Wilder

4) Kubrat Pulev

5) Joseph Parker

6) Luis Ortiz

7) Dominic Brezeale

8) Jarrell Miller

9) Hughie Fury

10) Gerald Washington
Where is Povetkin

Unfortunately, Alexander Povetkin is far too small, too tiny and too short to qualify among REAL SUPER HEAVYWEIGHTS in the top 10. I only ranked top REAL SUPER HEAVYWEIGHTS that are skilled and / or athletic in the top 10. They must at bare minimum be 6 foot 4 inches to qualify as one and must be athletic and / or skilled.

Alexander Povetkin is a small heavyweight that really happens to be a blown up cruiser weight. Although I would rank him above every other boxer his own size and around his own height. I just don't think he qualifies in the top 10 because he isn't a SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT like the others I mentioned.

Posted: **13 Mar 2018, 13:12**

My list is changeable, today (13.03.2108) I see the situation in this way (without Tyson Fury, hoping he will be back soon).
1. Joshua
2. Wilder
3. Parker
4. Ortiz
5. Povetkin
6. Miller
7. Pulev
8. Whyte
9.Breazeale
10. Takam
11. Haye
12. Ruiz
13. H. Fury
14. Chisora
15. Dubois

Posted: **13 Mar 2018, 13:15**

ValMar wrote: ↑13 Mar 2018, 13:12 My list is changeable, today (13.03.2108) I see the situation in this way (without Tyson Fury, hoping he will be back soon).
1. Joshua
2. Wilder
3. Parker
4. Ortiz
5. Povetkin
6. Miller
7. Pulev
8. Whyte
9.Breazeale
10. Takam
11. Haye
12. Ruiz
13. H. Fury
14. Chisora
15. Dubois

As good as anyone's. I think...I like Dubois at 15. Weak division after top 5.

Posted: **13 Mar 2018, 14:27**

jamamb wrote: ↑13 Mar 2018, 02:30 i have a hard time still ranking povetkin above wilder

Wilder was scheduled to fight Pov but his handlers nixed it on the sly. They had no intention of losing their cash cow to a big bad Russian who they were quite sure would beat him. He never even went to Russia to prep for the fight as fighters always do. Than at the last minute they trotted out Doc Goodman and her mobbed up Las Vegas drug crew to conjure up a spurious drug charge against the Russian to lend cover to the scenario, and of course the controlled US media ran with the story. So that is why I put Povetkin over Wilder. Also, as I previously said, I think that if the boxing commission was on the level the Wilder-Ortiz fight should be declared no contest because of the ref's shenanigans at the critical point in the fight giving the house fighter extra time to recover, and an immediate rematch ordered. Boxing commissions on the level? Funny joke. Almost as funny as anything in Las Vegas being on the level!

Posted: **13 Mar 2018, 14:33**

x2x wrote: ↑13 Mar 2018, 14:27
jamamb wrote: ↑13 Mar 2018, 02:30 i have a hard time still ranking povetkin above wilder
Wilder was scheduled to fight Pov but his handlers nixed it on the sly. They had no intention of losing their cash cow to a big bad Russian who they were quite sure would beat him. He never even went to Russia to prep for the fight as fighters always do. Than at the last minute they trotted out Doc Goodman and her mobbed up Las Vegas drug crew to conjure up a spurious drug charge against the Russian to lend cover to the scenario, and of course the controlled US media ran with the story. So that is why I put Povetkin over Wilder. Also, as I previously said, I think that if the boxing commission was on the level the Wilder-Ortiz fight should be declared no contest because of the ref's shenanigans at the critical point in the fight giving the house fighter extra time to recover, and an immediate rematch ordered. Boxing commissions on the level? Funny joke. Almost as funny as anything in Las Vegas being on the level!

Nonsense

Posted: **13 Mar 2018, 14:36**

gilgamesh wrote: ↑13 Mar 2018, 14:33
x2x wrote: ↑13 Mar 2018, 14:27
jamamb wrote: ↑13 Mar 2018, 02:30 i have a hard time still ranking povetkin above wilder
Wilder was scheduled to fight Pov but his handlers nixed it on the sly. They had no intention of losing their cash cow to a big bad Russian who they were quite sure would beat him. He never even went to Russia to prep for the fight as fighters always do. Than at the last minute they trotted out Doc Goodman and her mobbed up Las Vegas drug crew to conjure up a spurious drug charge against the Russian to lend cover to the scenario, and of course the controlled US media ran with the story. So that is why I put Povetkin over Wilder. Also, as I previously said, I think that if the boxing commission was on the level the Wilder-Ortiz fight should be declared no contest because of the ref's shenanigans at the critical point in the fight giving the house fighter extra time to recover, and an immediate rematch ordered. Boxing commissions on the level? Funny joke. Almost as funny as anything in Las Vegas being on the level!
Nonsense

Balderdash! (thought I'd back you up!)

Posted: **13 Mar 2018, 14:42**

oogiebe wrote: ↑13 Mar 2018, 14:36
gilgamesh wrote: ↑13 Mar 2018, 14:33
x2x wrote: ↑13 Mar 2018, 14:27

Wilder was scheduled to fight Pov but his handlers nixed it on the sly. They had no intention of losing their cash cow to a big bad Russian who they were quite sure would beat him. He never even went to Russia to prep for the fight as fighters always do. Than at the last minute they trotted out Doc Goodman and her mobbed up Las Vegas drug crew to conjure up a spurious drug charge against the Russian to lend cover to the scenario, and of course the controlled US media ran with the story. So that is why I put Povetkin over Wilder. Also, as I previously said, I think that if the boxing commission was on the level the Wilder-Ortiz fight should be declared no contest because of the ref's shenanigans at the critical point in the fight giving the house fighter extra time to recover, and an immediate rematch ordered. Boxing commissions on the level? Funny joke. Almost as funny as anything in Las Vegas being on the level!
Nonsense

Balderdash! (thought I'd back you up!)

Grover Dill! (from "Christmas Story")

Posted: **13 Mar 2018, 14:43**

x2x wrote: ↑13 Mar 2018, 14:42
oogiebe wrote: ↑13 Mar 2018, 14:36
gilgamesh wrote: ↑13 Mar 2018, 14:33

Nonsense

Balderdash! (thought I'd back you up!)

Grover Dill!

OMG! I'm crying!!!! THat made my day! Chris Fargas strikes again!

Posted: **13 Mar 2018, 14:48**

oogiebe wrote: ↑13 Mar 2018, 14:43
x2x wrote: ↑13 Mar 2018, 14:42
oogiebe wrote: ↑13 Mar 2018, 14:36

Balderdash! (thought I'd back you up!)

Grover Dill!

OMG! I'm crying!!!! THat made my day! Chris Fargas strikes again!

Grover Dill, Skut Farkus' little toady. Can't you get anything right?

Posted: **13 Mar 2018, 15:18**

Heretic wrote: ↑13 Mar 2018, 04:55 Going by who they have beaten...

1. Joshua
2. Povetkin
3. Pulev
4. Wilder
5. Parker
6. Ortiz
7. Takam
8. Miller
9. Breazeale
10. Hammer
11. Whyte
12. Browne
13. Duhaupas
14. Ruiz
15. H. Fury

Its pretty hard to rank 10-15 as the quality really drops around that mark.

this is the best list

Posted: **13 Mar 2018, 15:21**

x2x wrote: ↑13 Mar 2018, 14:48
oogiebe wrote: ↑13 Mar 2018, 14:43
x2x wrote: ↑13 Mar 2018, 14:42

Grover Dill!

OMG! I'm crying!!!! THat made my day! Chris Fargas strikes again!

Grover Dill, Skut Farkus' little toady. Can't you get anything right?

YES! You are a jerkoff! LMAO!!!!

Posted: **13 Mar 2018, 16:43**

bbjc wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 19:19 I,d have izo ugunoh on that list. On another night would have had breazeale out of there. I reckon he's,one of them guys that could knock out high rankers on that list and lose to some lesser guys. Needs to get back fighting soon. Dangerous guy for anyone.

He gassed out pretty early in that one, maybe some altitude training and a different trainer, Kevin Barry is not a world level guy.

Posted: **13 Mar 2018, 17:20**

Lennox wrote: ↑13 Mar 2018, 15:18
Heretic wrote: ↑13 Mar 2018, 04:55 Going by who they have beaten...

1. Joshua
2. Povetkin
3. Pulev
4. Wilder
5. Parker
6. Ortiz
7. Takam
8. Miller
9. Breazeale
10. Hammer
11. Whyte
12. Browne
13. Duhaupas
14. Ruiz
15. H. Fury

Its pretty hard to rank 10-15 as the quality really drops around that mark.
this is the best list

Pulev above Wilder ??

Posted: **13 Mar 2018, 17:22**

ValMar wrote: ↑13 Mar 2018, 17:20
Lennox wrote: ↑13 Mar 2018, 15:18
Heretic wrote: ↑13 Mar 2018, 04:55 Going by who they have beaten...

1. Joshua
2. Povetkin
3. Pulev
4. Wilder
5. Parker
6. Ortiz
7. Takam
8. Miller
9. Breazeale
10. Hammer
11. Whyte
12. Browne
13. Duhaupas
14. Ruiz
15. H. Fury

Its pretty hard to rank 10-15 as the quality really drops around that mark.
this is the best list
Pulev above Wilder ??

Everyone's a hero! Contrarian.

Posted: **13 Mar 2018, 17:48**

ValMar wrote: ↑13 Mar 2018, 17:20
Lennox wrote: ↑13 Mar 2018, 15:18
Heretic wrote: ↑13 Mar 2018, 04:55 Going by who they have beaten...

1. Joshua
2. Povetkin
3. Pulev
4. Wilder
5. Parker
6. Ortiz
7. Takam
8. Miller
9. Breazeale
10. Hammer
11. Whyte
12. Browne
13. Duhaupas
14. Ruiz
15. H. Fury

Its pretty hard to rank 10-15 as the quality really drops around that mark.
this is the best list
Pulev above Wilder ??

There is no logical debate in putting Pulev above Wilder or Ortiz

Posted: **13 Mar 2018, 20:12**

1. Joshua
2. Wilder
3. Ortiz
4. Parker
5. Povetkin
6. Pulev (maybe too high looks finished to me)
7. Miller
8. Takam
9. Dillon whyte
10. Huey fury
11. Breazeale
12. Uzo ugonoh
13. Andy ruiz
14. Browne
15. Haye

Hard to call the heavyweight division mainly because styles do make fights probably more so than any other division. I still think with the right fights uzo ugonoh would light half the division up. Huey fury underrated slightly as well...a lot of guys will struggle with him. Like uzo he needs the right development fights. A lot of bad publicity off the back of a good but negative performance against parker. But parker is third/fourth in a lot of lists tbf. Haye just sneaked in at 15 not sure what's left of him tho tbh.

Posted: **13 Mar 2018, 23:08**

bbjc wrote: ↑12 Mar 2018, 19:19 I,d have izo ugunoh on that list. On another night would have had breazeale out of there. I reckon he's,one of them guys that could knock out high rankers on that list and lose to some lesser guys. Needs to get back fighting soon. Dangerous guy for anyone.

So your list on on potential rather than results?

Posted: **13 Mar 2018, 23:12**

bbjc wrote: ↑13 Mar 2018, 20:12 1. Joshua
2. Wilder
3. Ortiz
4. Parker
5. Povetkin
6. Pulev (maybe too high looks finished to me)
7. Miller
8. Takam
9. Dillon whyte
10. Huey fury
11. Breazeale
12. Uzo ugonoh
13. Andy ruiz
14. Browne
15. Haye

Hard to call the heavyweight division mainly because styles do make fights probably more so than any other division. I still think with the right fights uzo ugonoh would light half the division up. Huey fury underrated slightly as well...a lot of guys will struggle with him. Like uzo he needs the right development fights. A lot of bad publicity off the back of a good but negative performance against parker. But parker is third/fourth in a lot of lists tbf. Haye just sneaked in at 15 not sure what's left of him tho tbh.

Sorry Mate, not having a pop but you have Ugonoh ranked one below the fella that knocked him out but Ruiz NINE places below the man he lost a razor thin decision to in the other mans hometown. And also above Ruiz.

Who has Ugonoh beaten for you to be so much of a fan?

Posted: **13 Mar 2018, 23:18**

tiny_acres wrote: ↑13 Mar 2018, 17:48
ValMar wrote: ↑13 Mar 2018, 17:20
Lennox wrote: ↑13 Mar 2018, 15:18 this is the best list
Pulev above Wilder ??
There is no logical debate in putting Pulev above Wilder or Ortiz

Pulev has beaten better fighters than either of them.

Personally I'd have Wilder above Pulev but Pulev has beaten a lot of decent fighters.

Posted: **13 Mar 2018, 23:52**

Taansend wrote: ↑13 Mar 2018, 23:18
tiny_acres wrote: ↑13 Mar 2018, 17:48
ValMar wrote: ↑13 Mar 2018, 17:20

Pulev above Wilder ??
There is no logical debate in putting Pulev above Wilder or Ortiz
Pulev has beaten better fighters than either of them.

Personally I'd have Wilder above Pulev but Pulev has beaten a lot of decent fighters.

No Pulev has not beaten a lot of decent fighters. Peter's? Thompson? Chisora? All on the end of losing streaks.
Ustinov is average at best.

Wilder has consistently beaten better opposition in his last 12 fights as to what Pulev accomplished in his entire career

Posted: **14 Mar 2018, 00:02**

tiny_acres wrote: ↑13 Mar 2018, 23:52
Taansend wrote: ↑13 Mar 2018, 23:18
tiny_acres wrote: ↑13 Mar 2018, 17:48

There is no logical debate in putting Pulev above Wilder or Ortiz
Pulev has beaten better fighters than either of them.

Personally I'd have Wilder above Pulev but Pulev has beaten a lot of decent fighters.
No Pulev has not beaten a lot of decent fighters. Peter's? Thompson? Chisora? All on the end of losing streaks.
Ustinov is average at best.

Wilder has consistently beaten better opposition in his last 12 fights as to what Pulev accomplished in his entire career

Chisora was at the end of a losing streak when he fought Pulev?

Posted: **14 Mar 2018, 00:03**

Taansend wrote: ↑14 Mar 2018, 00:02
tiny_acres wrote: ↑13 Mar 2018, 23:52
Taansend wrote: ↑13 Mar 2018, 23:18

Pulev has beaten better fighters than either of them.

Personally I'd have Wilder above Pulev but Pulev has beaten a lot of decent fighters.
No Pulev has not beaten a lot of decent fighters. Peter's? Thompson? Chisora? All on the end of losing streaks.
Ustinov is average at best.

Wilder has consistently beaten better opposition in his last 12 fights as to what Pulev accomplished in his entire career
Chisora was at the end of a losing streak when he fought Pulev?

Who has Chisora ever beat?
He is a journeyman nothing wrong with it.
But that's all he ever was or will be

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