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Posted: **19 Mar 2018, 14:26**

Some at least slight evidence is a good start for even the weakest conspiracy theory. Just pulling stuff out of your ass doesn't get you very far in the Conspiracy theory world.

Posted: **19 Mar 2018, 14:38**

Only idiots don't believe in WBA being completely corrupt. You just can't have another explanation for so many illogical decisions and not following their own rules.

Posted: **19 Mar 2018, 14:45**

Oh the WBA sucks on ice, but that don't mean Floyd had to buy a title from them. Hell they hand out 3 per weight class, if you're even KINDA good you're gonna probably wind up picking up a WBA belt of some sort.

Posted: **19 Mar 2018, 14:53**

gilgamesh wrote: ↑19 Mar 2018, 12:50
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑19 Mar 2018, 12:42
gilgamesh wrote: ↑19 Mar 2018, 11:18

You're making a lot of assumptions here.
You're making a lot of assumptions thinking Floyd wouldn't.
I just don't see why he would. Corruption in Boxing certainly wouldn't shock me to find out about, I just don't see why Floyd would feel the need to do that for a guy who clearly has the talent to do it himself.

Two of Floyd's fighters got caught roiding, and Floyd himself got caught roiding. You think too high of this shady dude.

Posted: **19 Mar 2018, 14:57**

I don't think all that highly of him actually. I just don't instantly believe unsubstantiated accusations.

I'm not sure which of his fighters got caught roiding, but I don't recall Floyd himself getting caught roiding at any point. I'm sure I would've heard about that one.

Posted: **19 Mar 2018, 16:11**

gilgamesh wrote: ↑19 Mar 2018, 14:45 Oh the WBA sucks on ice, but that don't mean Floyd had to buy a title from them. Hell they hand out 3 per weight class, if you're even KINDA good you're gonna probably wind up picking up a WBA belt of some sort.

In some cases they "hand out" titles, but in most cases and in this one in particular, they do it at expense of another boxer who has more rights to get that title according to their own rules and/or previous decisions. There is no question that money is involved.

Posted: **19 Mar 2018, 16:15**

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑19 Mar 2018, 16:11
gilgamesh wrote: ↑19 Mar 2018, 14:45 Oh the WBA sucks on ice, but that don't mean Floyd had to buy a title from them. Hell they hand out 3 per weight class, if you're even KINDA good you're gonna probably wind up picking up a WBA belt of some sort.
In some cases they "hand out" titles, but in most cases and in this one in particular, they do it at expense of another boxer who has more rights to get that title according to their own rules and/or previous decisions. There is no question that money is involved.

I don't doubt that "donations" are involved in almost every fighter getting a shot at a major title. You see guys shoot up the rankings unusually with every title org.

The WBA should've lost all credibility with fans ages ago to the point that it's not even discussed or taken seriously. It basically seems like the WBA sticks around just because Boxing fans need something to bitch about.

Posted: **19 Mar 2018, 16:29**

Honestly the WBA has done a lot of shady sh*t over the years, but I don't quite recall if they ever did what they are about to do to Machado.

He won the Super World Super-featherweight belt from an OVERWEIGHT Corralles who beat Uchiyama - who was arguably the top dog in the division (at leat before Loma showed up).

And now the WBA are like "no b*tch your belt is gone, you actually fought for the Regular belt" (which is a an outright lie since Corrales held the Super World belt before their fight)

The WBA has made regular champs below Super World champs and sometime had random fighters fight for a vacant belt, but I don't ever remember when they literally demoted an active World Super Champ and had some random unranked fighter fight for the Super World belt. And absence shouldn't be an issue. Machado fought only 4 months ago.

Posted: **19 Mar 2018, 18:04**

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑19 Mar 2018, 14:38 Only idiots don't believe in WBA being completely corrupt. You just can't have another explanation for so many illogical decisions and not following their own rules.

Dude I hate the WBA more than anyone.
I bash them regularly on here.
I just don't think Floyd had anything to do with the bullcrap

Posted: **19 Mar 2018, 18:06**

klitoris wrote: ↑19 Mar 2018, 16:29 Honestly the WBA has done a lot of shady sh*t over the years, but I don't quite recall if they ever did what they are about to do to Machado.

He won the Super World Super-featherweight belt from an OVERWEIGHT Corralles who beat Uchiyama - who was arguably the top dog in the division (at leat before Loma showed up).

And now the WBA are like "no b*tch your belt is gone, you actually fought for the Regular belt" (which is a an outright lie since Corrales held the Super World belt before their fight)

The WBA has made regular champs below Super World champs and sometime had random fighters fight for a vacant belt, but I don't ever remember when they literally demoted an active World Super Champ and had some random unranked fighter fight for the Super World belt. And absence shouldn't be an issue. Machado fought only 4 months ago.

WBA also showed multiple times that is doesn't like to be sued and folds under legal pressure, so that is what Machado should do.

Posted: **19 Mar 2018, 18:26**

tiny_acres wrote: ↑19 Mar 2018, 14:21
gilgamesh wrote: ↑19 Mar 2018, 14:02
boxing_rocks wrote: ↑19 Mar 2018, 13:56

Maybe because Davis is a Broner type, so Floyd needs to make money fast before it becomes clear.
This might be true if Floyd's entire stable consisted of Gervonta Davis, but Floyd also has Badou Jack and a few other talented guys right?

So again...what need would he have to be buying these guys' fights when they've only ever been matched with guys that they were perfectly capable of beating on their own merits?
Because everyone loves a conspiracy.
They love the thought of every aspect of the sport is rigged.
They need the insanity and controversy.

In other words half of the forum is filled with nutcases

You hit the nail on the head there!

Posted: **19 Mar 2018, 18:33**

bought or not its very shady if machado does get demoted

cuellar hasnt won in 3 years and has been a 126 pound fighter

Posted: **19 Mar 2018, 18:35**

jamamb wrote: ↑19 Mar 2018, 18:33 bought or not its very shady if machado does get demoted

cuellar hasnt won in 3 years and has been a 126 pound fighter

Why would it need to be bought? Apparently the WBA just creates a title for every somewhat meaningful fighter in the division so they can always get in on sanctioning fees with any meaningful bout.

Posted: **19 Mar 2018, 18:37**

i didnt say its bought, though one could argue being super champ gives more of an image of credibility, as it is the highest in the wba ladder . id think too if a mandatory was ordered the super champ gets more money vs the regular, maybe enough to be worth it

if its for the super title they arent creating a title for the fight, they are demoting an already super champion to give the belt to the winner, which to me is shadier then just awarding a title that was already vacant

Posted: **19 Mar 2018, 18:45**

If the point of this thread is to somehow bash Floyd, those criticisms are way off base. He doesn't make the business decisions. His promotional company does whatever Al Haymon decides is the best direction for them similar to Dibella.

Does Al have pull with WBA? It's possible since he has many other fighters in many weight classes associated with them so there is a business relationship there, but Floyd is not even a hands on promoter.

Posted: **21 Mar 2018, 01:56**

gilgamesh wrote: ↑19 Mar 2018, 14:57 I don't think all that highly of him actually. I just don't instantly believe unsubstantiated accusations.

I'm not sure which of his fighters got caught roiding, but I don't recall Floyd himself getting caught roiding at any point. I'm sure I would've heard about that one.

You think the IV was for therapeutic use? Please. J'Leon Love and Mickey Bey both got caught roiding.

Posted: **21 Mar 2018, 03:08**

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑19 Mar 2018, 13:56 Maybe because Davis is a Broner type, so Floyd needs to make money fast before it becomes clear.

I get that vibe about him too. Hanging out with Floyd too much is like poison to these young guys. Davis is to Floyd, as Macauly Caulkin was to Michael Jackson but without as much rectal bleeding.

Posted: **21 Mar 2018, 13:01**

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑21 Mar 2018, 01:56
gilgamesh wrote: ↑19 Mar 2018, 14:57 I don't think all that highly of him actually. I just don't instantly believe unsubstantiated accusations.

I'm not sure which of his fighters got caught roiding, but I don't recall Floyd himself getting caught roiding at any point. I'm sure I would've heard about that one.
You think the IV was for therapeutic use? Please. J'Leon Love and Mickey Bey both got caught roiding.

Doesn't matter what the IV was for. If he didn't test positive all you got is speculation, and if all you got is speculation then you got nothing.

I personally don't really care who's on PED's and who's not because I expect almost everybody IS on them. Some guys are just better at not getting caught.

Posted: **21 Mar 2018, 13:05**

gilgamesh wrote: ↑21 Mar 2018, 13:01
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑21 Mar 2018, 01:56
gilgamesh wrote: ↑19 Mar 2018, 14:57 I don't think all that highly of him actually. I just don't instantly believe unsubstantiated accusations.

I'm not sure which of his fighters got caught roiding, but I don't recall Floyd himself getting caught roiding at any point. I'm sure I would've heard about that one.
You think the IV was for therapeutic use? Please. J'Leon Love and Mickey Bey both got caught roiding.
Doesn't matter what the IV was for. If he didn't test positive all you got is speculation, and if all you got is speculation then you got nothing.

I personally don't really care who's on PED's and who's not because I expect almost everybody IS on them. Some guys are just better at not getting caught.

Use of an illegal IV is speculation?

Posted: **21 Mar 2018, 13:13**

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑21 Mar 2018, 13:05
gilgamesh wrote: ↑21 Mar 2018, 13:01
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑21 Mar 2018, 01:56

You think the IV was for therapeutic use? Please. J'Leon Love and Mickey Bey both got caught roiding.
Doesn't matter what the IV was for. If he didn't test positive all you got is speculation, and if all you got is speculation then you got nothing.

I personally don't really care who's on PED's and who's not because I expect almost everybody IS on them. Some guys are just better at not getting caught.
Use of an illegal IV is speculation?

No, but what was in the IV is.

It was cleared by the commission so we have to assume it was legal.

Innocent until Proven Guilty.

Posted: **21 Mar 2018, 13:18**

gilgamesh wrote: ↑21 Mar 2018, 13:13
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑21 Mar 2018, 13:05
gilgamesh wrote: ↑21 Mar 2018, 13:01

Doesn't matter what the IV was for. If he didn't test positive all you got is speculation, and if all you got is speculation then you got nothing.

I personally don't really care who's on PED's and who's not because I expect almost everybody IS on them. Some guys are just better at not getting caught.
Use of an illegal IV is speculation?
No, but what was in the IV is.

It was cleared by the commission so we have to assume it was legal.

Innocent until Proven Guilty.

Yeah, a corrupt bunch that made up rules as they went along. I'm sure you'd be a great sheep in some right-wing regime.

There is no denying it was illegal, and the fight should've been ruled a NC if the commission in any way had any semblance of integrity.

Also, IVs have been known to mask PEDs and were used by Armstrong to blood dope. It wasn't what was in the IV, but what they're used for as a masking agent.

Posted: **21 Mar 2018, 13:21**

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑21 Mar 2018, 13:18
gilgamesh wrote: ↑21 Mar 2018, 13:13
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑21 Mar 2018, 13:05

Use of an illegal IV is speculation?
No, but what was in the IV is.

It was cleared by the commission so we have to assume it was legal.

Innocent until Proven Guilty.
Yeah, a corrupt bunch that made up rules as they went along. I'm sure you'd be a great sheep in some right-wing regime.

There is no denying it was illegal, and the fight should've been ruled a NC if the commission in any way had any semblance of integrity.

Also, IVs have been known to mask PEDs and were used by Armstrong to blood dope. It wasn't what was in the IV, but what they're used for as a masking agent.

You assume too much.

I'm very far from Right wing, I just don't ASSUME people are guilty of things where there are no facts proving that they are. Everybody would do well to do the same, because one day...it might be YOU who's on trial.

Posted: **21 Mar 2018, 13:25**

gilgamesh wrote: ↑21 Mar 2018, 13:21
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑21 Mar 2018, 13:18
gilgamesh wrote: ↑21 Mar 2018, 13:13

No, but what was in the IV is.

It was cleared by the commission so we have to assume it was legal.

Innocent until Proven Guilty.
Yeah, a corrupt bunch that made up rules as they went along. I'm sure you'd be a great sheep in some right-wing regime.

There is no denying it was illegal, and the fight should've been ruled a NC if the commission in any way had any semblance of integrity.

Also, IVs have been known to mask PEDs and were used by Armstrong to blood dope. It wasn't what was in the IV, but what they're used for as a masking agent.
You assume too much.

I'm very far from Right wing, I just don't ASSUME people are guilty of things where there are no facts proving that they are. Everybody would do well to do the same, because one day...it might be YOU who's on trial.

It's not an assumption if they've already been caught. It's a fact that Mayweather used an illegal IV. Sorry if you like him, but it's a fact. Nothing you can say will change that he's been caught dirty. This isn't someone hiring Memo Heredia with just a bunch of speculation. This is a guy that took a WADA-banned IV.

Posted: **21 Mar 2018, 13:30**

Again YOU ASSUME TOO MUCH

I am not now nor have I ever been a fan of Floyd. The fact is this was in all the of the Boxing Publications when it happened. The commission knew about him taking the IV. He was given clearance to use it. Therefore it wasn't illegal.

It's probably been one of the more frustrating elements of my Boxing fandom that you can't defend a guy from unsubstantiated accusations without being labeled a "fanboy" of his.

You guys that can't stand Floyd and are still sh*tting on him on a daily basis months after his retirement are much bigger fans of Floyd than anybody. You guys are the reason he's made so much money.

I guarantee you more PPV's were sold to people wanting to see Floyd lose than wanting to see Floyd win.

Posted: **21 Mar 2018, 14:59**

gilgamesh wrote: ↑21 Mar 2018, 13:30 Again YOU ASSUME TOO MUCH

I am not now nor have I ever been a fan of Floyd. The fact is this was in all the of the Boxing Publications when it happened. The commission knew about him taking the IV. He was given clearance to use it. Therefore it wasn't illegal.

It's probably been one of the more frustrating elements of my Boxing fandom that you can't defend a guy from unsubstantiated accusations without being labeled a "fanboy" of his.

You guys that can't stand Floyd and are still sh*tting on him on a daily basis months after his retirement are much bigger fans of Floyd than anybody. You guys are the reason he's made so much money.

I guarantee you more PPV's were sold to people wanting to see Floyd lose than wanting to see Floyd win.

Coupla deep breaths there mate, your doing fine. Let it all out.
Finish with a nice cuppa and a Chockkie biscuit, you've earned it.

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