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A fighters morality is not necessarily linked with their success or failure in the ring, although bravery and determination must help. As a fan I'm primarily interested with what happens inside the ring, and like most of us, like to see fair play.

Like most fans I have the tendency to idolise or even hero worship my favourite fighters (Ali, Hearns, Tyson etc). Obviously they are not perfect and despite their talent have flaws like the rest of us.

This seems to be like the age old question of separating the artist from the artist. Some people just cannot allow themselves to make that distinction. Hence the reason why so many public figures are so careful of what they say, and say nothing. One wrong comment and a carefully constructed career goes down the drain. I prefer honesty any time, and the decision to tolerate or forgive is mine.

Thanks to this website I have become aware of the dogfighting stories surrounding Gerald McClennan. Does that change him as a boxer? Not for me, he was a great fighter and what happened to him is still a tragedy.

Dogfighting is a deplorable and cruel sport
(many argue bullfighting, fishing and boxing too - esp if you accept that all fighters have a choice), but where does that leave factory farming and Halal meat etc etc?

The progress of civilisation will hopefully continue to reduce intentional excessive cruelty and suffering, but ultimately we're stuck with it. Life is cruel and will always involves some suffering. It's how you view it that counts.

I still like Hemingway 'grace under pressure' line and that's one of the reasons I still watch boxing. I'm fine with bullfighting too - but only as long the bulls have a fair chance.

Personally-speaking, I feel that only saintly individuals that live altruistic and virtuous lifestyles should be allowed to participate in the sport of boxing, since fight fans are the most morally-correct, kind-hearted, intellectual and angelic of any group of people you could ever hope to meet.

It’s far more important to maintain high moral standards than watching “bad” guys that are flawed, highly-passionate and often sinful, bringing an interesting backstory and excitement to the ring! FFS!

actjac wrote: ↑20 Mar 2018, 00:48

gilgamesh wrote: ↑19 Mar 2018, 20:58 I've bought some of his PPV's.

Don't find his personal issues relevant. If people are honest with themselves they've probably already faced or will face similar situations in life.

Mayweather makes millions hitting people. . . .with the same hands he gets satisfaction by hitting women for free.. . . I will not contribute. . . .I went to a mechanic who worked on my car a few times. Once I saw him slap around his wife. I never went back.. . . .The only way I can make a statement about Mayweather's abusive ways is by denying him my little PPV fees.

"Hitting a woman" always sounds bad when it's all you hear. I doubt very much he just walked up to her and popped her for just for fun.

I'm not saying she deserved to be hit, but I'm sure she did SOMETHING to make him want to hit her. There's two sides to every story.

He did his time for the crime. It's not like he killed someone.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑20 Mar 2018, 12:24

actjac wrote: ↑20 Mar 2018, 00:48

gilgamesh wrote: ↑19 Mar 2018, 20:58 I've bought some of his PPV's.

Don't find his personal issues relevant. If people are honest with themselves they've probably already faced or will face similar situations in life.

Mayweather makes millions hitting people. . . .with the same hands he gets satisfaction by hitting women for free.. . . I will not contribute. . . .I went to a mechanic who worked on my car a few times. Once I saw him slap around his wife. I never went back.. . . .The only way I can make a statement about Mayweather's abusive ways is by denying him my little PPV fees.

"Hitting a woman" always sounds bad when it's all you hear. I doubt very much he just walked up to her and popped her for just for fun.

I'm not saying she deserved to be hit, but I'm sure she did SOMETHING to make him want to hit her. There's two sides to every story.

He did his time for the crime. It's not like he killed someone.

My gawd. . . .seriously?. . . .Mayweather beat up the mother of his kids IN FRONT OF THEM!. . . .a woman is not going to antagonize a guy like Floyd knowing that he has the propensity to skillfully use his hands and athletic abilities to smack them down.. . . .I would at the very least have his hands broken in retribution.

actjac wrote: ↑20 Mar 2018, 13:29

gilgamesh wrote: ↑20 Mar 2018, 12:24

actjac wrote: ↑20 Mar 2018, 00:48

Mayweather makes millions hitting people. . . .with the same hands he gets satisfaction by hitting women for free.. . . I will not contribute. . . .I went to a mechanic who worked on my car a few times. Once I saw him slap around his wife. I never went back.. . . .The only way I can make a statement about Mayweather's abusive ways is by denying him my little PPV fees.

"Hitting a woman" always sounds bad when it's all you hear. I doubt very much he just walked up to her and popped her for just for fun.

I'm not saying she deserved to be hit, but I'm sure she did SOMETHING to make him want to hit her. There's two sides to every story.

He did his time for the crime. It's not like he killed someone.

My gawd. . . .seriously?. . . .Mayweather beat up the mother of his kids IN FRONT OF THEM!. . . .a woman is not going to antagonize a guy like Floyd knowing that he has the propensity to skillfully use his hands and athletic abilities to smack them down.. . . .I would at the very least have his hands broken in retribution.

Do you watch tv shows? Numerous actors have been arrested for domestic violence or charged with sexual assault.
Do you listen to music? Same thing
Do you watch football? Basketball? Baseball or soccer? Again numerous players have charged as bad or worse than Floyd's..

I guess you sit in a bubble and cast your judgment down upon the rest of the world.
Must be nice living in utopia

tiny_acres wrote: ↑20 Mar 2018, 13:40

actjac wrote: ↑20 Mar 2018, 13:29

gilgamesh wrote: ↑20 Mar 2018, 12:24

"Hitting a woman" always sounds bad when it's all you hear. I doubt very much he just walked up to her and popped her for just for fun.

I'm not saying she deserved to be hit, but I'm sure she did SOMETHING to make him want to hit her. There's two sides to every story.

He did his time for the crime. It's not like he killed someone.

My gawd. . . .seriously?. . . .Mayweather beat up the mother of his kids IN FRONT OF THEM!. . . .a woman is not going to antagonize a guy like Floyd knowing that he has the propensity to skillfully use his hands and athletic abilities to smack them down.. . . .I would at the very least have his hands broken in retribution.

Do you watch tv shows? Numerous actors have been arrested for domestic violence or charged with sexual assault.
Do you listen to music? Same thing
Do you watch football? Basketball? Baseball or soccer? Again numerous players have charged as bad or worse than Floyd's..

I guess you sit in a bubble and cast your judgment down upon the rest of the world.
Must be nice living in utopia

If I am aware that an actor, athlete or musician has a history of abusing women then no I will not support them or contribute to their financial gai.n

Two points:
1. An actor does not recite lines to an abused woman, an athlete does not throw around a football in the front yard or a musician does not play a song to them.
2. Floyd Maywether uses his hands to hit and hurt people and uses those same hands to hit and hurt women and again, he did it in front of their children. He was charged, convicted and jailed for it. But that doesn't change the character of an abuser.

actjac wrote: ↑20 Mar 2018, 17:59

tiny_acres wrote: ↑20 Mar 2018, 13:40

actjac wrote: ↑20 Mar 2018, 13:29

My gawd. . . .seriously?. . . .Mayweather beat up the mother of his kids IN FRONT OF THEM!. . . .a woman is not going to antagonize a guy like Floyd knowing that he has the propensity to skillfully use his hands and athletic abilities to smack them down.. . . .I would at the very least have his hands broken in retribution.

Do you watch tv shows? Numerous actors have been arrested for domestic violence or charged with sexual assault.
Do you listen to music? Same thing
Do you watch football? Basketball? Baseball or soccer? Again numerous players have charged as bad or worse than Floyd's..

I guess you sit in a bubble and cast your judgment down upon the rest of the world.
Must be nice living in utopia

If I am aware that an actor, athlete or musician has a history of abusing women then no I will not support them or contribute to their financial gai.n

Two points:
1. An actor does not recite lines to an abused woman, an athlete does not throw around a football in the front yard or a musician does not play a song to them.
2. Floyd Maywether uses his hands to hit and hurt people and uses those same hands to hit and hurt women and again, he did it in front of their children. He was charged, convicted and jailed for it. But that doesn't change the character of an abuser.

Americans tend to be forgiving people. Mike Tyson was convicted of RAPING Desiree Washington, a far WORSE crime than domestic abuse. (And dont try to tell us ridiculous bullcrap like Tyson's rape "wasnt as bad" as Floyd's crime because Tyson doesnt use his penis to make a living. )

But because Tyson served his time and has managed to avoid raping any other women since then he now has a popular standup comedy that he tours the country with, appearing at clubs and casinos across the US. He has essentially been forgiven of his crimes because he "paid his debt to society.") Mayweather also served his time and has managed to behave himself since then. Jails/prisons may be overrated as rehabilitation centers but there is something about time behind bars that tends to scare former criminals into avoiding the crimes that put them behind bars in the first place.

You apparently think sports stars need to be role models to earn your fandom. That's fine if you choose to follow that, but dont expect everyone else to follow your lead. Sports is ENTERTAINMENT and refusing to support a wayward athlete by not watching him is not a universally accepted standard by any means, just your personal preference.

actjac wrote: ↑19 Mar 2018, 16:39 . . . .have you paid for and watched his PPV fights anyway?. . . .especially versus Pacquiao and McGregor?

You must either seriously bored, racist, or both.

Anyone who has bought a ppv in the passed decade has truly wasted their money, considering so many streams are readily available.

Badhusker wrote: ↑20 Mar 2018, 19:20

actjac wrote: ↑19 Mar 2018, 16:39 . . . .have you paid for and watched his PPV fights anyway?. . . .especially versus Pacquiao and McGregor?

You must either seriously bored, racist, or both.

Or maybe just being a drama queen. If you want to boycott the PPVs of Floyd (or anyone else) then do so. But spare us the drama of a special topic thread to announce it to the world!!

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑20 Mar 2018, 19:37 Anyone who has bought a ppv in the passed decade has truly wasted their money, considering so many streams are readily available.

Good point...on those rare occasions when a streamlink is unavailable then chip in $5-10 at a friend's house or the local grill.

Best Coast wrote: ↑20 Mar 2018, 19:41

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑20 Mar 2018, 19:37 Anyone who has bought a ppv in the passed decade has truly wasted their money, considering so many streams are readily available.

Good point...on those rare occasions when a streamlink is unavailable then chip in $5-10 at a friend's house or the local grill.

Great points, both of you. I would think it goes without saying, but I guess not.

Only PPV I've paid for involving Mayweather was the fight with Canelo only because Matthysse/Garcia was one of the best fights in boxing at the moment.

Badhusker wrote: ↑20 Mar 2018, 19:20

actjac wrote: ↑19 Mar 2018, 16:39 . . . .have you paid for and watched his PPV fights anyway?. . . .especially versus Pacquiao and McGregor?

You must either seriously bored, racist, or both.

I absolutlely disdain people who go there Badhusker...seriously...

oogiebe wrote: ↑21 Mar 2018, 10:23

Badhusker wrote: ↑20 Mar 2018, 19:20

actjac wrote: ↑19 Mar 2018, 16:39 . . . .have you paid for and watched his PPV fights anyway?. . . .especially versus Pacquiao and McGregor?

You must either seriously bored, racist, or both.

I absolutlely disdain people who go there Badhusker...seriously...

Hmmm.... Let me make sure I'm clear on what you just said oogiebe... We shouldn't talk about racism???

I'm not making a judgement on your opinion... I just don't want you misunderstood.

Someone should've paid me to watch the last so called fight

Kalan wrote: ↑22 Mar 2018, 04:08

oogiebe wrote: ↑21 Mar 2018, 10:23

Badhusker wrote: ↑20 Mar 2018, 19:20

You must either seriously bored, racist, or both.

I absolutlely disdain people who go there Badhusker...seriously...

Hmmm.... Let me make sure I'm clear on what you just said oogiebe... We shouldn't talk about racism???

I'm not making a judgement on your opinion... I just don't want you misunderstood.

Hmmmm...you must work for MSNBC...fake news and fake boxing knowledge...that is the (lack of ) essence of Kalan.

I do find it abhorrent but I don't base my viewing decisions on it.

Tony1244 wrote: ↑22 Mar 2018, 10:22 I do find it abhorrent but I don't base my viewing decisions on it.

Exactly. I just cannot stand the jump to racism and other barbs the liberals have weaponized. No argument left? Throw racism out there. People like that are merely lemmings. Follow the smell of shit.

Tony1244 wrote: ↑22 Mar 2018, 10:22 I do find it abhorrent but I don't base my viewing decisions on it.

Then what other way can you make any kind of statement?. . . .unless its just lip service.

actjac wrote: ↑22 Mar 2018, 11:46

Tony1244 wrote: ↑22 Mar 2018, 10:22 I do find it abhorrent but I don't base my viewing decisions on it.

Then what other way can you make any kind of statement?. . . .unless its just lip service.

I don't want to make a statement.

oogiebe wrote: ↑22 Mar 2018, 10:35

Tony1244 wrote: ↑22 Mar 2018, 10:22 I do find it abhorrent but I don't base my viewing decisions on it.

Exactly. I just cannot stand the jump to racism and other barbs the liberals have weaponized. No argument left? Throw racism out there. People like that are merely lemmings. Follow the smell of poo.

Why are you bringing liberals into this? Most liberals, like most people have no idea who Mayweather is.

Tony1244 wrote: ↑22 Mar 2018, 11:50

oogiebe wrote: ↑22 Mar 2018, 10:35

Tony1244 wrote: ↑22 Mar 2018, 10:22 I do find it abhorrent but I don't base my viewing decisions on it.

Exactly. I just cannot stand the jump to racism and other barbs the liberals have weaponized. No argument left? Throw racism out there. People like that are merely lemmings. Follow the smell of poo.

Why are you bringing liberals into this? Most liberals, like most people have no idea who Mayweather is.

Kalan!!!

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑22 Mar 2018, 05:11 Someone should've paid me to watch the last so called fight

Yes, I'd need a financial incentive too to watch a Mayweather fight. I still believe most people were only watching to see him get beaten.

He should be done for false pretenses after so many over the top promises of action packed fights. I guess defensive masterclasses wouldn't have sold so well. The only thing getting knocked out was the audience through boredom.

I hope AJ does go on to break all the records.

oogiebe wrote: ↑22 Mar 2018, 12:00

Tony1244 wrote: ↑22 Mar 2018, 11:50

oogiebe wrote: ↑22 Mar 2018, 10:35

Exactly. I just cannot stand the jump to racism and other barbs the liberals have weaponized. No argument left? Throw racism out there. People like that are merely lemmings. Follow the smell of poo.

Why are you bringing liberals into this? Most liberals, like most people have no idea who Mayweather is.

Kalan!!!

I kind of lost you here. I did not get either the Canelo or McGregor fights because I thought it was a bad value. If McGregor had been UFC rules or if May had fought GGG, I would have purchased.