Anthony Joshua tells Deontay Wilder to get realistic or get frozen out!

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I fear this is going to be Riddick Bowe/Lennox Lewis all over again.

There'll be a whole load of crap about purse splits, purse size & potential fight times & meanwhile, the fight will disappear into the ether because one or both of them lose or they look less than stellar taking part in other less meaningful contests.

Boxing is so very frustrating, it's untrue.

[asdfjkl]

Ah well, if they can't get the deal done than Wilder can simply fight someone else for 1,something mil and AJ can fight someone else for 20something mil right? Why would anyone cry out so loud about this? I'm still hoping on a AJ vs Povetkin fight and a Tyson Fury vs Wilder fight, that would be awesome for the world of boxing. I would also be happy for Tyson that he's back in the ring again getting another victory next to all his other ones.

[Mexi-Box]

Ah well, if they can't get the deal done than Wilder can simply fight someone else for 1,something mil and AJ can fight someone else for 20something mil right? Why would anyone cry out so loud about this? I'm still hoping on a AJ vs Povetkin fight and a Tyson Fury vs Wilder fight, that would be awesome for the world of boxing. I would also be happy for Tyson that he's back in the ring again getting another victory next to all his other ones.

Exactly this. The era is so ridiculously horrible at the moment. AJ can fight Povetkin and make a ton of money anyways. He doesn't need Wilder. Wilder can stay earning peanuts (compared to AJ) fighting dudes like Duhaupus.

AJ can just fight Miller or Whyte/Browne winner and still make a killing. AJ has more options than Wilder.

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Ah well, if they can't get the deal done than Wilder can simply fight someone else for 1,something mil and AJ can fight someone else for 20something mil right? Why would anyone cry out so loud about this? I'm still hoping on a AJ vs Povetkin fight and a Tyson Fury vs Wilder fight, that would be awesome for the world of boxing. I would also be happy for Tyson that he's back in the ring again getting another victory next to all his other ones.

Fair points.

If it's simply about making money & if that's all that motivates Joshua, then fair play to him.

I just wonder if when he's made his money & his career ends without ever fighting Wilder whilst the fight was hot, whether he will regret it?

At this moment in time, Joshua/Wilder is the biggest HW fight out there.

The only other opponent who would provide more intrigue is Tyson Fury, but he hasn't got a fight signed & from the noises I'm hearing, it doesn't seem likely that he will step straight back in at the top if & when he does sign to fight someone.

[oogiebe]

I fear this is going to be Riddick Bowe/Lennox Lewis all over again.

There'll be a whole load of crap about purse splits, purse size & potential fight times & meanwhile, the fight will disappear into the ether because one or both of them lose or they look less than stellar taking part in other less meaningful contests.

Boxing is so very frustrating, it's untrue.

OMG! You beat me to the proverbial punch! Anyone remember Chicken Bowe? How about Chicken Hearn!?

[asdfjkl]

If I was Hearn, I would allow Wilder AND Tyson Fury, and Povetkin and AJ, in the ring.Then you have one ring filled with all the real big names out there at once. Something that might even attract more viewers as the actual unification fight itself. Then take the microphone and offer to make a Povetkin vs AJ fight, with Wilder vs Tyson Fury with it as the main event. And after that, the winners vs the winners and the losers vs the losers.
I smell 10m+ for everyone in just two fights.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Both sides will probably drag this out another 12-18 months to hype up the fight.

[tiny_acres]

Both sides will probably drag this out another 12-18 months to hype up the fight.

We will be lucky to see this fight by the end of 2019.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Yeah I think so. I'm happy with that.

[Badhusker]

Both sides will probably drag this out another 12-18 months to hype up the fight.

Both sides? Only one side has been dragging their feet.

[oogiebe]

Both sides will probably drag this out another 12-18 months to hype up the fight.

Both sides? Only one side has been dragging their feet.

And what's with not letting Wilder into the ring?! Chicken Hearn.

[asdfjkl]

Well, if Wilder really wants to fight he should simply offer to fight for free, like Briggs offered to Wilder.

[oogiebe]

Well, if Wilder really wants to fight he should simply offer to fight for free, like Briggs offered to Wilder.

Briggs can only get that fight for free. Let's not get ridiculous.

[Kalan]

I fear this is going to be Riddick Bowe/Lennox Lewis all over again.

There'll be a whole load of crap about purse splits, purse size & potential fight times & meanwhile, the fight will disappear into the ether because one or both of them lose or they look less than stellar taking part in other less meaningful contests.

Boxing is so very frustrating, it's untrue.

OMG! You beat me to the proverbial punch! Anyone remember Chicken Bowe? How about Chicken Hearn!?

Chicken Hearn??? Hmm...sounds kind of catchy... Maybe I'm thinking Chicken Hearns of the Barkley and Hagler Fights.

Anyway, Eddie Hearn wants Joshua-Wilder immediately after the Parker fight... And it's going to happen because Hearn is a big fight fan... He wants to see Joshua-Wilder like everyone else... Wilder might be the only guy not crazy about it -- along with Lou DiBella and Al Haymon.... Those 3 guys will drag their feet forever.

[Badhusker]

I fear this is going to be Riddick Bowe/Lennox Lewis all over again.

There'll be a whole load of crap about purse splits, purse size & potential fight times & meanwhile, the fight will disappear into the ether because one or both of them lose or they look less than stellar taking part in other less meaningful contests.

Boxing is so very frustrating, it's untrue.

OMG! You beat me to the proverbial punch! Anyone remember Chicken Bowe? How about Chicken Hearn!?

Chicken Hearn??? Hmm...sounds kind of catchy... Maybe I'm thinking Chicken Hearns of the Barkley and Hagler Fights.

Anyway, Eddie Hearn wants Joshua-Wilder immediately after the Parker fight... And it's going to happen because Hearn is a big fight fan... He wants to see Joshua-Wilder like everyone else... Wilder might be the only guy not crazy about it -- along with Lou DiBella and Al Haymon.... Those 3 guys will drag their feet forever.

Here is what Eddie Hearn said over a year ago:

“Our aim for Joshua is after Klitschko to fight Deontay Wilder,” said promoter Eddie Hearn. “As we saw with Tyson Fury, you can’t hold on to all the belts at once and be in all the fights you want to be in. After this fight, there’ll be [Kubrat] Pulev and there’ll be [Luis] Ortiz, they’ll be mandatories. Whether there’ll be exceptions taken. We’ve already had one with the IBF, so that limits our opportunities there.

“We understand that we can’t hold on to the belts forever because if we do, we won’t be in the fights that we want to be in all the time. No disrespect to Pulev but after Klitschko people aren’t going to be wanting Anthony Joshua to fight Pulev, a guy who Klitschko knocked out in four or five rounds. So it’s very difficult and I think there comes a time when the fighter and the fights eclipse the belts. While the belts mean a hell of a lot I feel Joshua is approaching that stage now.”

Wilder is next, again?

[asdfjkl]

Well, if Wilder really wants to fight he should simply offer to fight for free, like Briggs offered to Wilder.

Briggs can only get that fight for free. Let's not get ridiculous.

At the time Briggs offered a career high payday for Wilder and Wilder still didn't accept it. A payday that was higher as Wilder ever made with any fight all the way till last month. Briggs did it for the belts, because he knew that those belts where the moneymakers. If Wilder would win against AJ he will make 10M+ for every fight from that moment of as well, somehow Wilder probably knows he doesn't have much of a chance against AJ and that's why he wants as much money as possible for it.

[Enlightened-One]

Wilder is asking for either a 50-50 purse split for a one-off bout or he's willing to accept what equates to being a 50-50 split to include a rematch clause (covering a two bout deal).

Either way, he's asking for an equal share, regardless as to however he's articulated his demands to the media.

...Wilder (..and I'm NOT his fan) being a lot bigger attraction than Parker, no way should Wilder agree to the same purse split as Parker, Wilder's currently a legit WBC belt-holder and should be treated as such...for the sake of their respective fans, both parties should be prepared to make compromises..and 40-60 purse split seems like a reasonable albeit not perfect deal imo..hopefully, both boxers will agree to it..

So for a select few fighters, it's OK for them to receive a 60%+ lions share of the purse split, even if they possess the better resume, hold three of the four main belts and also generate vastly superior revenue than their opponents, but but the same principles don't apply to Joshua's situation with Wilder?

Simply put: Deontay doesn't deserve anywhere near a 50% purse split in order to face AJ.

[asdfjkl]

OMG! You beat me to the proverbial punch! Anyone remember Chicken Bowe? How about Chicken Hearn!?

Chicken Hearn??? Hmm...sounds kind of catchy... Maybe I'm thinking Chicken Hearns of the Barkley and Hagler Fights.

Anyway, Eddie Hearn wants Joshua-Wilder immediately after the Parker fight... And it's going to happen because Hearn is a big fight fan... He wants to see Joshua-Wilder like everyone else... Wilder might be the only guy not crazy about it -- along with Lou DiBella and Al Haymon.... Those 3 guys will drag their feet forever.

Here is what Eddie Hearn said over a year ago:

“Our aim for Joshua is after Klitschko to fight Deontay Wilder,” said promoter Eddie Hearn. “As we saw with Tyson Fury, you can’t hold on to all the belts at once and be in all the fights you want to be in. After this fight, there’ll be [Kubrat] Pulev and there’ll be [Luis] Ortiz, they’ll be mandatories. Whether there’ll be exceptions taken. We’ve already had one with the IBF, so that limits our opportunities there.

“We understand that we can’t hold on to the belts forever because if we do, we won’t be in the fights that we want to be in all the time. No disrespect to Pulev but after Klitschko people aren’t going to be wanting Anthony Joshua to fight Pulev, a guy who Klitschko knocked out in four or five rounds. So it’s very difficult and I think there comes a time when the fighter and the fights eclipse the belts. While the belts mean a hell of a lot I feel Joshua is approaching that stage now.”

Wilder is next, again?

I think Eddy genuinly wants the fight, but what would you do if you can make 25 mil by fighting a bum, or 13 mil by fighting Wilder? Yea, sorry, but Wilder and his team really seems to be delusional when it comes to money.
Why did Wilder fight Luis Ortiz for half the money he could have received against Dillian Whyte? It's not even like Whyte is a bigger risk as fighting Ortiz. Or well, at least in my opinion.

[punchoutsb]

Wilder has also said he would agree to a lesser cut as long as if he wins, Joshua accepts the same lesser amount for a rematch.

In other words, Hearn's bullshit about Wilder demanding 50-50 is all about setting up an excuse for not fighting Wilder next.

Can he sell the tickets in Alabama that AJ can in the UK? That's what decides purses, not who holds a bauble.

I just want this fight to happen; I don't care who gets paid what.

I think in the first fight absolutely Joshua deserves the lions share. IF Wilder beats him though, Wilder will hold the cards. At that point the holder of all the belts will get the big purse, regardless of how popular they are in their country.

I agree with you on principal, but the more popular fighter (ie the one who sells the most tickets) demands the most money. AJ has much more earning power than Wilder right now though a win over AJ would no doubt boost Wilder's earning potential--but if it doesn't boost it over where AJ is now, it would ending up costing AJ and his team money. It's really no different than when the USA womens soccer team wanted equal pay to the men and pointed to their higher levels of success as the reason why. Well, it's not really feasible when you sell 12,000 tickets to the biggest game you got.

All that being said, I couldn't care less how much either gets paid, I just want to the fight to happen!

[greg]

Wilder is asking for either a 50-50 purse split for a one-off bout or he's willing to accept what equates to being a 50-50 split to include a rematch clause (covering a two bout deal).

Either way, he's asking for an equal share, regardless as to however he's articulated his demands to the media.

...Wilder (..and I'm NOT his fan) being a lot bigger attraction than Parker, no way should Wilder agree to the same purse split as Parker, Wilder's currently a legit WBC belt-holder and should be treated as such...for the sake of their respective fans, both parties should be prepared to make compromises..and 40-60 purse split seems like a reasonable albeit not perfect deal imo..hopefully, both boxers will agree to it..

So for a select few fighters, it's OK for them to receive a 60%+ lions share of the purse split, even if they possess the better resume, hold three of the four main belts and also generate vastly superior revenue than their opponents, but but the same principles don't apply to Joshua's situation with Wilder?

Simply put: Deontay doesn't deserve anywhere near a 50% purse split in order to face AJ.

no, not according to your logic ... incidentally, I've been speaking about 40 percent and a mutual compromise in the interest of the fans..

[Enlightened-One]

...Wilder (..and I'm NOT his fan) being a lot bigger attraction than Parker, no way should Wilder agree to the same purse split as Parker, Wilder's currently a legit WBC belt-holder and should be treated as such...for the sake of their respective fans, both parties should be prepared to make compromises..and 40-60 purse split seems like a reasonable albeit not perfect deal imo..hopefully, both boxers will agree to it..

So for a select few fighters, it's OK for them to receive a 60%+ lions share of the purse split, even if they possess the better resume, hold three of the four main belts and also generate vastly superior revenue than their opponents, but but the same principles don't apply to Joshua's situation with Wilder?

Simply put: Deontay doesn't deserve anywhere near a 50% purse split in order to face AJ.

no, not according to your logic ... incidentally, I've been speaking about 40 percent and a mutual compromise in the interest of the fans..

Wilder isn't asking for 40% though.

You can labour over the 40% figure, but that's not what Wilder is demanding now is it?

[greg]

So for a select few fighters, it's OK for them to receive a 60%+ lions share of the purse split, even if they possess the better resume, hold three of the four main belts and also generate vastly superior revenue than their opponents, but but the same principles don't apply to Joshua's situation with Wilder?

Simply put: Deontay doesn't deserve anywhere near a 50% purse split in order to face AJ.

no, not according to your logic ... incidentally, I've been speaking about 40 percent and a mutual compromise in the interest of the fans..

Wilder isn't asking for 40% though.

well, he should and AJ should oblige his fans and agree to it..

[jamesmcdonnell]

Both sides will probably drag this out another 12-18 months to hype up the fight.

Both sides? Only one side has been dragging their feet.

Of course both sides. They are jockeying for financial position; standard fayre.

[Badhusker]

Wilder hasn't said Any specific % recently, only staying whatever cut he is given, AJ must take the same in the event of a rematch. A rematch, however, only will happen if Wilder wins.
If AJ shows us that he will beat Wilder easily like he says, he has nothing to worry about.
Like Wilder said, prove me wrong and shut me up.

[Enlightened-One]

Wilder hasn't said Any specific % recently, only staying whatever cut he is given, AJ must take the same in the event of a rematch. A rematch, however, only will happen if Wilder wins.
If AJ shows us that he will beat Wilder easily like he says, he has nothing to worry about.
Like Wilder said, prove me wrong and shut me up.

What you're essentially saying is that Joshua should cave into Wilder's demands.

Let's ignore the facts and figures from previous bouts...