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The more I think about it, I can see why Hearn is furious that Wilder may not show at the fight. He and Joshua do not want him in the ring afterwards, but do want him to face off with Whyte so it will help build the hype with that potential fight. Hearn simply doesn't want Joshua to fight Wilder next, and wants to make it look like Wilder is ducking Whyte while he actually wants to fight Joshua.

Joshua claims he let Wlad in the ring only because they had a fight already signed. He said if he let Wilder in, it would just be hype. Hearn wants the hype for Whyte instead.

Hearn also says that Wilder doesn't want any part of Joshua or Whyte. I remember him saying the same thing about Errol Spence turning down the fight with Brook. More lies, typical of Hearn.

Badhusker wrote: ↑28 Mar 2018, 06:52 The more I think about it, I can see why Hearn is furious that Wilder may not show at the fight.

Is that an apology then or are you going to address the comments you previously claimed about me?

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Mar 2018, 06:56

Badhusker wrote: ↑28 Mar 2018, 06:52 The more I think about it, I can see why Hearn is furious that Wilder may not show at the fight.

Is that an apology then or are you going to address the comments you previously claimed about me?

Wilder now possibly not showing up to the fight is exactly what he should do if Hearn and Joshua won't let him in the ring. It's not that he isn't willing to come to the UK to fight, like you said. It would play into Hearn's plan to build a fight against White, instead of Joshua. He might surprise them.
Your claim about a verbal offer being legally binding is laughable, and why so many here think you are annoying and stupid. You must be Hearn's puppet, or wish.
You are still a lying, annoying sack of crap. Back to ignore.

Badhusker wrote: ↑28 Mar 2018, 08:02

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Mar 2018, 06:56

Badhusker wrote: ↑28 Mar 2018, 06:52 The more I think about it, I can see why Hearn is furious that Wilder may not show at the fight.

Is that an apology then or are you going to address the comments you previously claimed about me?

Wilder now possibly not showing up to the fight is exactly what he should do if Hearn and Joshua won't let him in the ring. It's not that he isn't willing to come to the UK to fight, like you said. It would play into Hearn's plan to build a fight against White, instead of Joshua. He might surprise them.
Your claim about a verbal offer being legally binding is laughable, and why so many here think you are annoying and stupid. You must be Hearn's puppet, or wish.
You are still a lying, annoying sack of crap. Back to ignore.

So in other words, you can't defend the claims you made in the previous post that you submitted in this thread (when you unfairly attacked me).

Thanks for conceding to being incorrect, though I would have done it in a much more friendly and dignified manner if I was in your shoes, since I wouldn't want to portray myself as an embarrassed crybaby.

The fear is so big... It's unbelieveble and actually still blame AJ for it, that's the funniest thing. I think literally every heavyweight on the planet would accept this deal.

It really only makes sense for Wilder to enter the ring if Wilder is the next opponent for Joshua. With no terms agreed, it only puts an unnecessary amount of pressure on Joshua/Hearn to make the deal happen next.

The logical move from a Joshua/Matchroom (and financial) perspective is to make the Wilder/Whyte fight first, raise profile of Wilder in UK, then maximise profits for all. Wilder has to see that.

bmilligan wrote: ↑27 Mar 2018, 12:25 Win win if this fight happens for Eddie Hearn.

If Wilder wins, the fight with Joshua has even more hype behind it.

Wilder loses, Hearn has the ability to hype up the rematch for whyte vs joshua.

yep, can't argue with that..

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Mar 2018, 08:17 I wouldn't want to portray myself as a crybaby.

EO's face when someone disagree with him

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑28 Mar 2018, 10:27

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Mar 2018, 08:17 I wouldn't want to portray myself as a crybaby.

EO's face when someone disagree with him

I wasn't the one that became emotional and getting angry when someone picked up on their bûllshît claims.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑28 Mar 2018, 03:26

Like a Boss wrote: ↑27 Mar 2018, 21:52

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑27 Mar 2018, 11:57
“How bad does he want the fight if he is not coming? - Hearn

Eddie Hearn keeps telling Wilder to improve his profile. Yet when Wilder says he is coming over and wants to enter the ring after the fight Hearn tells him "it would be disrespectful."

Hearn does not want Wilder to be Joshua's next opponent. That much is patently obvious, and allowing Wilder to enter the ring at the weekend would be counterproductive to Eddie's narrative.

I think Eddie wants Wilder to build his profile in the UK with his fists and not his mouth.
It would ruin the family atmosphere immediately having that buffoon flap his potty mouth off, and I can easily do without
"Booooooom Squaaaaad!"
(Repeat add infinitum)
In my PPV, thank you.

Excellent post - if we were talking about anything other than boxing here.

The time for Wilder-Joshua is now!!!!!
Screw dragging this out. This is the biggest fight in boxing now.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Mar 2018, 11:34

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑28 Mar 2018, 10:27

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Mar 2018, 08:17 I wouldn't want to portray myself as a crybaby.

EO's face when someone disagree with him

I wasn't the one that became emotional and getting angry when someone picked up on their bûllshît claims.

It is pretty obvious no one in your life has ever taught you when it is time to shut your fornicating mouth. Grow up.

Badhusker wrote: ↑28 Mar 2018, 21:51

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Mar 2018, 11:34

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑28 Mar 2018, 10:27

EO's face when someone disagree with him

I wasn't the one that became emotional and getting angry when someone picked up on their bûllshît claims.

It is pretty obvious no one in your life has ever taught you when it is time to shut your effing mouth. Grow up.

It is pretty obvious no one in your life has ever taught you how to engage in a discussion with others without becoming overly emotional and resorting to insults as your main tactic to attempt to bully them into submission. Grow up!

"Deontay Wilder on Why He Won’t Be Ringside for Joshua-Parker"

“Sky Sports contacted me to do the commentary, and I told them I would do it under one [condition]: that I was able to get in the ring after the fight was over to confront Joshua face-to-face,” Deontay explained. “I wanted to see him face-to-face, eye to eye, man-to-man. They said it would be no problem.

“Then a few days later I get a call from my manager saying this is not gonna be possible. It was a team decision not to go.”

“We’re not gonna be sitting around here looking like we’re chasing no one. Nothing like that. Or he get the rest of the belts and try to look down on me like I’m lesser or something. We’re not gonna have that.”

“You know that’s what I want to be remembered as. [Team Joshua] talks about money so much because this is what they’re trying to do. This is the business—trying to gyp British people out of their money. Soon they’re gonna wake up. They’re gonna realize it and demand he fight somebody, while I’m gonna be cleaning up the rest of the division. I can go for a world high record. Maybe I’ll come across that 50-0 record, with 49 KOs. That’s what we’re on.”

Since Joshua made it clear he isn’t in a hurry to face Wilder, Eddie Hearn has mentioned in the media that another Matchroom fighter, Dillian Whyte, should get a shot at Deontay instead of unified champion Joshua. To that, Wilder responded, “Eddie got his other fighter, trying to make a fight. Well, we’re not interested. We don’t want that. Nobody want that.”

The problem with Deontay Wilder’s side of the story (detailed in the above article), is that he was actually being paid for his services and resulting expenses (such as first class flights, lavish hotel accommodation, posh meals, limousines etc.).

It also would have been inevitable that he would have received an opportunity to speak to both Anthony Joshua and Dillian Whyte face-to-face in front of the TV cameras at some point, during his time working for the Sky Sports Box Office commentary team.

He has behaved unprofessionally by withdrawing from his duties working with Sky Sports at the last minute and it seems he isn’t really interested in attempting to raise his profile in the UK.

He’s also just admitted that his disinterest in facing the highest ranked WBC title challenger, Dillian Whyte, but then he claims his intention to clean-up the rest of the heavyweight division.

He’s just claimed that he isn’t going to make himself look like he’s chasing anyone, well that’s correct, since none of his team have attempted to initiate negotiations or even made an offer to Anthony Joshua to make the bout.

And finally, Deontay then criticises AJ’s team by claiming it’s not all about the money, yet the Wilder has already stated that he’s not interested in facing AJ if he doesn’t receive a 50-50 split (since both of the terms he conveyed to the media for either a one-off bout or a two-fight deal ultimately equate to him receiving a 50% share either way).

You can't say one thing, but then actually do the opposite and expect to escape receiving criticism.

Why would Hearn not accept a frame work whereby Joshua is guaranteed should Wilder beat Whyte?

marvelous marv wrote: ↑29 Mar 2018, 08:25Why would Hearn not accept a frame work whereby Joshua is guaranteed should Wilder beat Whyte?

Eddie Hearn is a promoter that looks after multiple fighters.

I cannot think of any other instances whereby fighter A won’t consider fighting opponent B, unless he’s given a guarantee that he’ll face boxer C immediately afterwards.

Do you imagine Oscar De La Hoya agreeing to the same terms if Billy Joe Suanders said he’d only consider defending his WBO world title against David Lemieux, as long as he was given a contractual guarantee that he’d face Canelo immediately afterwards? Seriously!?!

Why would Anthony Joshua willingly commit his future for the sake of Dillian Whyte?

How would this so-called “guarantee” work anyway? Does Eddie Hearn have to commence two sets of negotiations, whereby dates, venues, TV networks, purse splits, etc. are negotiated at the same time for two bouts staged between three fighters?

Let’s not forget that Dillian Whyte is the top ranked WBC contender. It’s not unreasonable for Eddie Hearn to try to negotiate a title shot for his charge.

Why would Deontay Wilder refrain to agreeing to face his highest ranked title challenger anyway? Why are fans even endorsing his silly idea? Does he deserve to get his own way all the time?

Put it this way, how many times has ‘The Bronze Bomber’ faced the highest ranked WBC title challenger during his championship reign, which will be approaching 3½ years by the time his next opponent has been announced? I bet people can only name one man? So why is he suddenly getting a free pass for avoiding Dillian Whyte, when his entire championship reign has been far less than mediocre?

As a Wilder fan I acknowledge, Whyte has a fair chance of beating him.

There is a certain logic for Deontay to fight someone like Breazeale with the winner of that fight fighting the winner of Joshua-Parker.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑29 Mar 2018, 04:05 "Deontay Wilder on Why He Won’t Be Ringside for Joshua-Parker"

“Sky Sports contacted me to do the commentary, and I told them I would do it under one [condition]: that I was able to get in the ring after the fight was over to confront Joshua face-to-face,” Deontay explained. “I wanted to see him face-to-face, eye to eye, man-to-man. They said it would be no problem.

“Then a few days later I get a call from my manager saying this is not gonna be possible. It was a team decision not to go.”

“We’re not gonna be sitting around here looking like we’re chasing no one. Nothing like that. Or he get the rest of the belts and try to look down on me like I’m lesser or something. We’re not gonna have that.”

“You know that’s what I want to be remembered as. [Team Joshua] talks about money so much because this is what they’re trying to do. This is the business—trying to gyp British people out of their money. Soon they’re gonna wake up. They’re gonna realize it and demand he fight somebody, while I’m gonna be cleaning up the rest of the division. I can go for a world high record. Maybe I’ll come across that 50-0 record, with 49 KOs. That’s what we’re on.”

Since Joshua made it clear he isn’t in a hurry to face Wilder, Eddie Hearn has mentioned in the media that another Matchroom fighter, Dillian Whyte, should get a shot at Deontay instead of unified champion Joshua. To that, Wilder responded, “Eddie got his other fighter, trying to make a fight. Well, we’re not interested. We don’t want that. Nobody want that.”

Eddie Hearn responds to Deontay Wilder's comments above (skip to the 4 minute 45 seconds mark if it doesn't play from that point automatically):

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑29 Mar 2018, 10:57

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑29 Mar 2018, 04:05 "Deontay Wilder on Why He Won’t Be Ringside for Joshua-Parker"

“Sky Sports contacted me to do the commentary, and I told them I would do it under one [condition]: that I was able to get in the ring after the fight was over to confront Joshua face-to-face,” Deontay explained. “I wanted to see him face-to-face, eye to eye, man-to-man. They said it would be no problem.

“Then a few days later I get a call from my manager saying this is not gonna be possible. It was a team decision not to go.”

“We’re not gonna be sitting around here looking like we’re chasing no one. Nothing like that. Or he get the rest of the belts and try to look down on me like I’m lesser or something. We’re not gonna have that.”

“You know that’s what I want to be remembered as. [Team Joshua] talks about money so much because this is what they’re trying to do. This is the business—trying to gyp British people out of their money. Soon they’re gonna wake up. They’re gonna realize it and demand he fight somebody, while I’m gonna be cleaning up the rest of the division. I can go for a world high record. Maybe I’ll come across that 50-0 record, with 49 KOs. That’s what we’re on.”

Since Joshua made it clear he isn’t in a hurry to face Wilder, Eddie Hearn has mentioned in the media that another Matchroom fighter, Dillian Whyte, should get a shot at Deontay instead of unified champion Joshua. To that, Wilder responded, “Eddie got his other fighter, trying to make a fight. Well, we’re not interested. We don’t want that. Nobody want that.”

Eddie Hearn responds to Deontay Wilder's comments above (skip to the 4 minute 45 seconds mark if it doesn't play from that point automatically):

Just like I said. Hearn wants options on Wilder.
At the 8 minute mark sign with me and blah blah.
Hearn is a typical promoter. Talks all kinds of crap.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑29 Mar 2018, 11:19

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑29 Mar 2018, 10:57

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑29 Mar 2018, 04:05 "Deontay Wilder on Why He Won’t Be Ringside for Joshua-Parker"

“Sky Sports contacted me to do the commentary, and I told them I would do it under one [condition]: that I was able to get in the ring after the fight was over to confront Joshua face-to-face,” Deontay explained. “I wanted to see him face-to-face, eye to eye, man-to-man. They said it would be no problem.

“Then a few days later I get a call from my manager saying this is not gonna be possible. It was a team decision not to go.”

“We’re not gonna be sitting around here looking like we’re chasing no one. Nothing like that. Or he get the rest of the belts and try to look down on me like I’m lesser or something. We’re not gonna have that.”

“You know that’s what I want to be remembered as. [Team Joshua] talks about money so much because this is what they’re trying to do. This is the business—trying to gyp British people out of their money. Soon they’re gonna wake up. They’re gonna realize it and demand he fight somebody, while I’m gonna be cleaning up the rest of the division. I can go for a world high record. Maybe I’ll come across that 50-0 record, with 49 KOs. That’s what we’re on.”

Since Joshua made it clear he isn’t in a hurry to face Wilder, Eddie Hearn has mentioned in the media that another Matchroom fighter, Dillian Whyte, should get a shot at Deontay instead of unified champion Joshua. To that, Wilder responded, “Eddie got his other fighter, trying to make a fight. Well, we’re not interested. We don’t want that. Nobody want that.”

Eddie Hearn responds to Deontay Wilder's comments above (skip to the 4 minute 45 seconds mark if it doesn't play from that point automatically):

Just like I said. Hearn wants options on Wilder.
At the 8 minute mark sign with me and blah blah.
Hearn is a typical promoter. Talks all kinds of crap.

To a certain extent, I agree with what you’ve said, but some (if not most) of the points Eddie Hearn raised were valid and cannot even be challenged by Deontay Wilder, since the American has already conceded to most of them being true.

And for the record, Deontay Wilder doesn’t actually have a promoter, hence the reason why he’s so underpaid and relatively anonymous in comparison to Anthony Joshua.

It’s not as if Eddie Hearn is trying to poach him from someone else. The American’s managers should be trying to sign a two-fight promotional deal with Matchroom if ‘The Bronze Bomber’ is intent to receive massive paydays to face Whyte and Joshua, but yet Wilder has already admitted that he hasn't tried to initiate contract negotiations with Hearn.

No other recent Joshua opponent has been forced to sign with matchroom as a stipulation to getting to fight Joshua.

Also Wilder might be better suited taking an offer to be promoted by UFC who will pay him more and is US based.

marvelous marv wrote: ↑29 Mar 2018, 13:00 No other recent Joshua opponent has been forced to sign with matchroom as a stipulation to getting to fight Joshua.

Also Wilder might be better suited taking an offer to be promoted by UFC who will pay him more and is US based.

I'm still not sure what I think of UFC becoming a powerhouse in boxing.
Big time promotions always appear to be crooks,liars and scam artists

marvelous marv wrote: ↑29 Mar 2018, 13:00 No other recent Joshua opponent has been forced to sign with matchroom as a stipulation to getting to fight Joshua.

Eddie Hearn has not said that a fight between Joshua and Wilder cannot be made if the American doesn't sign with Matchroom.

What made you say this? It certainly hasn't happened in our version of reality.

Badhusker wrote: ↑28 Mar 2018, 06:52 The more I think about it, I can see why Hearn is furious that Wilder may not show at the fight. He and Joshua do not want him in the ring afterwards, but do want him to face off with Whyte so it will help build the hype with that potential fight. Hearn simply doesn't want Joshua to fight Wilder next, and wants to make it look like Wilder is ducking Whyte while he actually wants to fight Joshua.

Joshua claims he let Wlad in the ring only because they had a fight already signed. He said if he let Wilder in, it would just be hype. Hearn wants the hype for Whyte instead.

Hearn also says that Wilder doesn't want any part of Joshua or Whyte. I remember him saying the same thing about Errol Spence turning down the fight with Brook. More lies, typical of Hearn.

Furious? I would be happy as hell if I where him, the local TV people will dislike Wilder, Hearn will safe their ass by putting Whyte in their studio and Whyte will completely destroy Wilder his reputation saying that you can't rely on Wilder and claim Wilder lies about just about anything. As soon as one of the TV people tries to protect Wilder, Whyte simply says, ask AJ, ask Hearn, or ask Povetkin.

But ok, who am I.