WILDER ON EDDIE HEARN

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Badhusker wrote: 28 Mar 2018, 21:45
Kalan wrote: 28 Mar 2018, 21:40
SenorPipino wrote: 28 Mar 2018, 14:33 Hearn and Joshua. Proper Brits.

They have no idea how to hype a fight.

Just let Wilder into the ring post-fight. He'll do all the heavy lifting.

These guys would have told Ali to keep quiet.

Mama mia.
Dempsey and Tunney weren't trash talkers... Yet their fights were box office magic...

And Joshua makes 10 X what Wilder makes... so blowing your mouth off doesn't sell a bad fight... Ali fought a lot of terrible challengers on free TV.... Leon Spinks was on free TV because everyone thought he was a 3-round job.
You should quit posting, because you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground.
Why don't you shut it and piss off ignorant ass... Ali fought a lot of terrible challengers on free TV and that's a fact... No boxing commission would even allow Anthony Joshua to fight Jean Pierre Coopman, Chuck Wepner, or Alfredo Evangelista... or an unranked opponent who weighed 197 and had 7 fights instead of Larry Holmes.

I know my rear from a mole hole .... and also know when somebody's trying to sell me a Title Challenger who stinks.
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Mole hole ?
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SenorPipino wrote: 28 Mar 2018, 17:23 I understand that ticket prices are terribly cheap in these UK fights.

Bring Joshua to the US, and see if he can sell out at exorbitant Las Vegas prices. If Joshua was starting his career from scratch here, he would basically be ignored, just like Wilder.

And don't forget, it's so much easier to sell a British fighter to his countryman. There's not the plethora of other sports as there is here in the USA. It's not as hard to create a hero there.

People don't pay much attention to boxing here, whether a fighter is a heavyweight champion like Wilder, or some young kid on the rise.

The sports competition is ferocious. And it's not helped that the American mainstream media loathes boxing and gives it scant attention.
Ah, the old "cheap tickets" logic. If it was that easy, how come they are the only fighter/promoter to do those sorts of numbers in all of boxing history? And it's not as if they're flogging them cheap just to get the attendance figures up - he's making £10-15m per fight.

The rest of your post just reads like a list of excuses for years of poor promotion on Wilder's side. People pay attention to boxing in the US, they just don't pay attention to Wilder.

To suggest that Hearn doesn't know what he is doing is frankly laughable.
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jamamb wrote: 28 Mar 2018, 19:47 was 1.3m really that poor for canelo vs ggg? it also did the 3rd biggest gate ever
Sorry amigo. I gladly admit when I was wrong about Charles Martin's amateur career, so I hope you'll do the same on this one. This list is a little old but even in Feb 2016 that wouldnt make the top 10:

https://www.totalsportek.com/money/high ... all-times/
NO#................................FIGHT.............................................PPV BUYS............................PPV REVENUE
1 Mayweather vs Pacquiao (May 2015) 4,600,000 $410 million
2 Mayweather vs Canelo Alvarez (September 2013) 2,200,000 $150 million
3 Mayweather vs Oscar De La Hoya (May 2007) 2,480,000 $136 million
4 Mike Tyson vs Evander Holyfield II (June 1997) 1,990,000 $100.2 million
5 Mike Tyson vs Lennox Lewis (June 2002) 1,950,000 $112 million
6 Mike Tyson vs Evander Holyfield I (November 1996) 1,590,000 $77.9 million
7 Mike Tyson vs Peter McNeeley (August 1995) 1,550,000 $96 million
8 Mayweather vs Shane Mosely (May 2010) 1,400,000 $94 million
9 Oscar De La Hoya vs Felix Trinidad (September 1999) 1,400,000 $64 million
10 Evander Holyfield vs George Foreman (April 1991) 1,400,000 $80 million
11 Manny Pacquiao vs Juan Manuel Marquez III (November 2011) 1,250,000 $75 million
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i said gate as in attendence money, not ppv money, which is whats on your list. i thought gate was usually refered to for attendence? i notice that mayweather and tyson feature in 8 of those in the ppv top 10 btw. they had some huge drawing power.

so with 1.3 canelo ggg would be the 3rd highest ever in ppv buys i think for a non floyd or tyson fight. its defo 3rd highest ever (including floyd and mike) for gate.

http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/2 ... ng-history
Canelo Alvarez and Gennady Golovkin bring in boxing's third-highest gate

The Canelo Alvarez-Gennady Golovkin middleweight world championship fight, an action-packed battle that ended in a controversial split draw on Sept. 16 at the T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas, was a smash hit at the gate.

The fight generated $27,059,850 from 17,318 tickets sold, according to figures released Tuesday by the Nevada State Athletic Commission. There were 934 complimentary tickets given out, according to the commission.

The live gate is the third biggest in boxing history, trailing two other megafights in Las Vegas.

The all-time record was set by the May 2, 2015 welterweight world title unification fight between Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao, which generated a stunning $72,198,500 from the sale of 16,219 tickets at the MGM Grand Garden Arena.

No. 2 is a fight that took place just three weeks before Canelo-GGG and in the same arena: Mayweather-Conor McGregor. That junior middleweight bout, in which Mayweather exited a two-year retirement and knocked out the UFC star in the 10th round of his professional boxing debut on Aug. 26, banked $55,414,865.79 from 13,094 tickets sold.

"By drawing the third largest gate in [boxing] history, Canelo has demonstrated once again that he is the top draw in our sport," Golden Boy Promotions CEO Oscar De La Hoya, Alvarez's promoter, told ESPN. "And the scary thing is that he's still only 27 years old. As he continues to engage in the kind of hard-fought battles he had with GGG, Canelo's popularity will only continue to soar."

Canelo-GGG shot past the previous No. 3 all-time gate, Mayweather's decision win over Alvarez to unify junior middleweight titles in 2013. That fight, at the MGM Grand Garden Arena, generated a live gate of $20,003,150 from the sale of 16,146 tickets.

Most thought that Golovkin, who retained his middleweight title for the 19th time -- one shy of tying Bernard Hopkins' division record of 20 -- deserved the victory, but he was held to a draw as Dave Moretti scored it 115-113 for Golovkin (37-0-1, 33 KOs), Don Trella had it 114-114 and Adalaide Byrd had Alvarez (49-1-2, 34 KOs) winning by an outrageous score of 118-110, one that even the Nevada commission executive director, Bob Bennett, panned and that Alvarez himself said was too wide.

Golovkin promoter Tom Loeffler and Eric Gomez, president of Golden Boy Promotions, began negotiating a rematch this past weekend. If they make a deal, the sequel is expected to take place on May 5, Cinco de Mayo.
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jamamb wrote: 29 Mar 2018, 02:55 i said gate as in attendence money, not ppv money, which is whats on your list. i thought gate was usually refered to for attendence? i notice that mayweather and tyson feature in 8 of those in the ppv top 10 btw. they had some huge drawing power.

so with 1.3 canelo ggg would be the 3rd highest ever in ppv buys i think for a non floyd or tyson fight. its defo 3rd highest ever (including floyd and mike) for gate.

http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/2 ... ng-history
Canelo Alvarez and Gennady Golovkin bring in boxing's third-highest gate

The Canelo Alvarez-Gennady Golovkin middleweight world championship fight, an action-packed battle that ended in a controversial split draw on Sept. 16 at the T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas, was a smash hit at the gate.

The fight generated $27,059,850 from 17,318 tickets sold, according to figures released Tuesday by the Nevada State Athletic Commission. There were 934 complimentary tickets given out, according to the commission.

The live gate is the third biggest in boxing history, trailing two other megafights in Las Vegas.

The all-time record was set by the May 2, 2015 welterweight world title unification fight between Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao, which generated a stunning $72,198,500 from the sale of 16,219 tickets at the MGM Grand Garden Arena.

No. 2 is a fight that took place just three weeks before Canelo-GGG and in the same arena: Mayweather-Conor McGregor. That junior middleweight bout, in which Mayweather exited a two-year retirement and knocked out the UFC star in the 10th round of his professional boxing debut on Aug. 26, banked $55,414,865.79 from 13,094 tickets sold.

"By drawing the third largest gate in [boxing] history, Canelo has demonstrated once again that he is the top draw in our sport," Golden Boy Promotions CEO Oscar De La Hoya, Alvarez's promoter, told ESPN. "And the scary thing is that he's still only 27 years old. As he continues to engage in the kind of hard-fought battles he had with GGG, Canelo's popularity will only continue to soar."

Canelo-GGG shot past the previous No. 3 all-time gate, Mayweather's decision win over Alvarez to unify junior middleweight titles in 2013. That fight, at the MGM Grand Garden Arena, generated a live gate of $20,003,150 from the sale of 16,146 tickets.

Most thought that Golovkin, who retained his middleweight title for the 19th time -- one shy of tying Bernard Hopkins' division record of 20 -- deserved the victory, but he was held to a draw as Dave Moretti scored it 115-113 for Golovkin (37-0-1, 33 KOs), Don Trella had it 114-114 and Adalaide Byrd had Alvarez (49-1-2, 34 KOs) winning by an outrageous score of 118-110, one that even the Nevada commission executive director, Bob Bennett, panned and that Alvarez himself said was too wide.

Golovkin promoter Tom Loeffler and Eric Gomez, president of Golden Boy Promotions, began negotiating a rematch this past weekend. If they make a deal, the sequel is expected to take place on May 5, Cinco de Mayo.
Fair enough. I guess I read it wrong. One more sign it's time for bed!! :zzz:
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SenorPipino wrote: 28 Mar 2018, 17:23

And don't forget, it's so much easier to sell a British fighter to his countryman. There's not the plethora of other sports as there is here in the USA. It's not as hard to create a hero there.
Nonsense, there are plenty of other sports in the UK.

Football (soccer) is practically a religion, Rugby (both codes), Cricket and formula one are all much bigger than boxing.

Cycling (road or track), Golf and Athletics all get more media coverage than most Boxing events.

I wouldn't be suprised if Matchroom's premier league darts sold more tickets and had more viewing figures than most Matchroom Boxing events.

I was at Whyte vs Browne this weekend and their were about 7500-8000 (at a guess) other people there, Strongman events have sold more tickets.

Most people I know, know more about Carl Foggarty's career than Carl Froch's.

I have friends coming round to watch the fight on Saturday who will have not heard of any one on the card, other than Joshua.

AJ is the exeption, not the rule.
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Kalan wrote: 28 Mar 2018, 21:40
SenorPipino wrote: 28 Mar 2018, 14:33 Hearn and Joshua. Proper Brits.

They have no idea how to hype a fight.

Just let Wilder into the ring post-fight. He'll do all the heavy lifting.

These guys would have told Ali to keep quiet.

Mama mia.
Dempsey and Tunney weren't trash talkers... Yet their fights were box office magic...

And Joshua makes 10 X what Wilder makes... so blowing your mouth off doesn't sell a bad fight... Ali fought a lot of terrible challengers on free TV.... Leon Spinks was on free TV because everyone thought he was a 3-round job.
Very different era, you cannot compare them. Back then, they weren't competing with a tonne of other sports.
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keirw wrote: 29 Mar 2018, 03:52
SenorPipino wrote: 28 Mar 2018, 17:23

And don't forget, it's so much easier to sell a British fighter to his countryman. There's not the plethora of other sports as there is here in the USA. It's not as hard to create a hero there.
Nonsense, there are plenty of other sports in the UK.

Football (soccer) is practically a religion, Rugby (both codes), Cricket and formula one are all much bigger than boxing.

Cycling (road or track), Golf and Athletics all get more media coverage than most Boxing events.

I wouldn't be suprised if Matchroom's premier league darts sold more tickets and had more viewing figures than most Matchroom Boxing events.

I was at Whyte vs Browne this weekend and their were about 7500-8000 (at a guess) other people there, Strongman events have sold more tickets.

Most people I know, know more about Carl Foggarty's career than Carl Froch's.

I have friends coming round to watch the fight on Saturday who will have not heard of any one on the card, other than Joshua.

AJ is the exeption, not the rule.
Only one strongman event I know of has sold more, that was Eddie Hall's hometown one.

The worlds strongest man takes place in front of about 50 locals most times.
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There was also the giants live show in Manchester last year, sold 10000 tickets.
And they are back there this year too.

Not sure what World's strongest man has to do with my post, I can't remember it ever being held in the UK.

Though I imagine it gets better viewing figures on channel 5 than Boxing does. Despite being shown weeks after the events.
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keirw wrote: 29 Mar 2018, 03:52
SenorPipino wrote: 28 Mar 2018, 17:23

And don't forget, it's so much easier to sell a British fighter to his countryman. There's not the plethora of other sports as there is here in the USA. It's not as hard to create a hero there.
Nonsense, there are plenty of other sports in the UK.

Football (soccer) is practically a religion, Rugby (both codes), Cricket and formula one are all much bigger than boxing.

Cycling (road or track), Golf and Athletics all get more media coverage than most Boxing events.

I wouldn't be suprised if Matchroom's premier league darts sold more tickets and had more viewing figures than most Matchroom Boxing events.

I was at Whyte vs Browne this weekend and their were about 7500-8000 (at a guess) other people there, Strongman events have sold more tickets.

Most people I know, know more about Carl Foggarty's career than Carl Froch's.

I have friends coming round to watch the fight on Saturday who will have not heard of any one on the card, other than Joshua.

AJ is the exeption, not the rule.
In US you can add NFL, NBA, Baseball, NHL and all types of NCAA....all the money/attention goes there!
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bigman1968 wrote: 29 Mar 2018, 09:49
keirw wrote: 29 Mar 2018, 03:52
SenorPipino wrote: 28 Mar 2018, 17:23

And don't forget, it's so much easier to sell a British fighter to his countryman. There's not the plethora of other sports as there is here in the USA. It's not as hard to create a hero there.
Nonsense, there are plenty of other sports in the UK.

Football (soccer) is practically a religion, Rugby (both codes), Cricket and formula one are all much bigger than boxing.

Cycling (road or track), Golf and Athletics all get more media coverage than most Boxing events.

I wouldn't be suprised if Matchroom's premier league darts sold more tickets and had more viewing figures than most Matchroom Boxing events.

I was at Whyte vs Browne this weekend and their were about 7500-8000 (at a guess) other people there, Strongman events have sold more tickets.

Most people I know, know more about Carl Foggarty's career than Carl Froch's.

I have friends coming round to watch the fight on Saturday who will have not heard of any one on the card, other than Joshua.

AJ is the exeption, not the rule.
In US you can add NFL, NBA, Baseball, NHL and all types of NCAA....all the money/attention goes there!
I don't doubt it.

Boxing is a secondary sport on both sides of the Atlantic.

Building a huge PPV star is very difficult and takes a lot of hard work behind the scenes, what Matchroom and Sky have done with Joshua is fantastic. He is one of the most well known sports people in the country, particularly amoung young people.

Wlider is a good self promoter who can build a bit of hype, but does he have a team behind him that are doing hard work like Sky and Matchroom are for Joshua?

My guess would be no.
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My guess why they didn't wan't Wilder in the rings is...

The negotiations for the Joshua vs Wilder fight is on.

Wilder needs Joshua to make money. Joshua can make money against anyone.

Wilder is demanding far too big cut of the pie considering what he is bringing to the table.

Promoting the fight at this time gives Wilder better negotiating position. If they promote the fight they will have to make the fight. If they have to make the fight they will need to pay Wilder more.

At this moment they can tell Wilder to take the low offer or bugger off. They don't want to change that :geek:
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Wilder is right on the money here. Eddie and AJ are looking pretty lame in all this. They tap-danced around the Wilder fight inside the ring and the interviewer had to pry out some kind of soundbite from AJ. Then apparently everything that Eddie was saying were lies according to Dan Rafael. All of that after a lackluster performance is not exactly how they all scripted the night going.

But Wilder just needs to keep on doing what he's doing. I'm sure that it's the same stuff that Canelo and his camp went through with questions regarding when he would fight GGG. A day doesn't go by where they aren't asked about the Wilder fight via some medium. At some point, the questions will smoke out the fight and we'll get to see it. Hopefully, it's not before one of the two or both lose their belts fighting jamokes in the meantime.
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I thought it was weird WIlder never went over to hype it. Not letting him in the ring SMH.

I think it's clear they don't want to fight WIlder.
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Kalan wrote: 28 Mar 2018, 13:30 They didn't want Wilder jumping into the ring, grabbing the mike, and yelling "BOMB SQUAD!!!" and all his other antics -- which tries to steal the thunder from Joshua's great KO victory over Joseph Parker...
which great KO victory do you mean, exactly? was there one in another time or dimension I wasn't aware of?

do you just sit there and fantasize about how you want the fight to go, and just carry on as though your fantasies always become reality?

still, as crazy a theory as it is, at least it explins how you can say Chris Eubank jr is 'one of the smartest boxers in history'

its really sad, as though once you fantasize sdomething it truly becomes reality in your mind.

but it does help to explain many of your opinions.
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Well, I wasn't allowed to get in the ring either, so AJ must be really scared for me.
Wilder should just show a better performance as AJ did against any opponent that stayed in the ring for over 3 rounds against AJ. Breazeale is such a guy and I've heard rumours that Wilder might probably fight Breazeale next, so let's see what happens.
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which honest boxing business person can be trusted for there word?
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jamamb wrote: 05 Apr 2018, 09:27 which honest boxing business person can be trusted for there word?
Trick question because there aren't any! LOL! I loathe them.
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It's been pretty clear, and been said plenty of times. Hearn and Joshua have known from the start Wilder is the most dangerous one to them. The bullshit about drawing power, money offers, other opponents first, all that misdirection is distorting your brains folks. The size, height and reach, the power, the awkward and sometimes wild style, but most of all the mental strength and unbreakable belief in himself is what makes Wilder their biggest concern. They know he can lose every round and still end it with one shot. They also think Wilder sounds dumb, when he's far from dumb in the ring where it matters. The pompous Brits are smart to keep looking in every other direction. This will end badly for them, so milk the teet as much as possible before it all comes crashing down. Not sure when this fight will materialize, but I 100%guarantee AJ will be stopped when it happens. All the talk is trivial and inconsequential, when they are touching gloves for round one the legend of the horizontal British heavyweight shall appear in full. And with one right hand Deontay will take everything slick Eddie and his Frankenstien have accomplished.. group grief counseling will be the next step, and so on and so forth. Don't say you weren't warned, when the hammer drops.
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SFW wrote: 05 Apr 2018, 10:00 It's been pretty clear, and been said plenty of times. Hearn and Joshua have known from the start Wilder is the most dangerous one to them. The bullshit about drawing power, money offers, other opponents first, all that misdirection is distorting your brains folks. The size, height and reach, the power, the awkward and sometimes wild style, but most of all the mental strength and unbreakable belief in himself is what makes Wilder their biggest concern. They know he can lose every round and still end it with one shot. They also think Wilder sounds dumb, when he's far from dumb in the ring where it matters. The pompous Brits are smart to keep looking in every other direction. This will end badly for them, so milk the teet as much as possible before it all comes crashing down. Not sure when this fight will materialize, but I 100%guarantee AJ will be stopped when it happens. All the talk is trivial and inconsequential, when they are touching gloves for round one the legend of the horizontal British heavyweight shall appear in full. And with one right hand Deontay will take everything slick Eddie and his Frankenstien have accomplished.. group grief counseling will be the next step, and so on and so forth. Don't say you weren't warned, when the hammer drops.
Other than "Pompous Brit" I agree.
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SFW wrote: 05 Apr 2018, 10:00 It's been pretty clear, and been said plenty of times. Hearn and Joshua have known from the start Wilder is the most dangerous one to them. The bullshit about drawing power, money offers, other opponents first, all that misdirection is distorting your brains folks. The size, height and reach, the power, the awkward and sometimes wild style, but most of all the mental strength and unbreakable belief in himself is what makes Wilder their biggest concern. They know he can lose every round and still end it with one shot. They also think Wilder sounds dumb, when he's far from dumb in the ring where it matters. The pompous Brits are smart to keep looking in every other direction. This will end badly for them, so milk the teet as much as possible before it all comes crashing down. Not sure when this fight will materialize, but I 100%guarantee AJ will be stopped when it happens. All the talk is trivial and inconsequential, when they are touching gloves for round one the legend of the horizontal British heavyweight shall appear in full. And with one right hand Deontay will take everything slick Eddie and his Frankenstien have accomplished.. group grief counseling will be the next step, and so on and so forth. Don't say you weren't warned, when the hammer drops.
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Badhusker wrote: 06 Apr 2018, 20:27
SFW wrote: 05 Apr 2018, 10:00 It's been pretty clear, and been said plenty of times. Hearn and Joshua have known from the start Wilder is the most dangerous one to them. The bullshit about drawing power, money offers, other opponents first, all that misdirection is distorting your brains folks. The size, height and reach, the power, the awkward and sometimes wild style, but most of all the mental strength and unbreakable belief in himself is what makes Wilder their biggest concern. They know he can lose every round and still end it with one shot. They also think Wilder sounds dumb, when he's far from dumb in the ring where it matters. The pompous Brits are smart to keep looking in every other direction. This will end badly for them, so milk the teet as much as possible before it all comes crashing down. Not sure when this fight will materialize, but I 100%guarantee AJ will be stopped when it happens. All the talk is trivial and inconsequential, when they are touching gloves for round one the legend of the horizontal British heavyweight shall appear in full. And with one right hand Deontay will take everything slick Eddie and his Frankenstien have accomplished.. group grief counseling will be the next step, and so on and so forth. Don't say you weren't warned, when the hammer drops.
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Congratulations. You have been nominated for most sanity in a post on Wilder/Joshua.
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lol theres no sanity though, just a bunch of guys who believe anything one side says and nothing the other side says, whether thats aj or wilder

i havent really seen any obvious window where the fight shouldve happened but one guy clearly ducked. i mean when did this because a must have fight anyway, where no other opponent is acceptable? just last month? this hasnt been years of the fight needing to happen but not happening.
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jamamb wrote: 06 Apr 2018, 20:31 lol theres no sanity though, just a bunch of guys who believe anything one side says and nothing the other side says, whether thats aj or wilder

i havent really seen any obvious window where the fight shouldve happened but one guy clearly ducked. i mean when did this because a must have fight anyway, where no other opponent is acceptable? just last month? this hasnt been years of the fight needing to happen but not happening.
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