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In support of AJ, sometimes a fight like this is an education that pays dividends later on. Not an AJ fan, but a boxing fan. (I have to say that because there is partisan like atmosphere around here.)

to me theres really not much to crtcze the overall standard of aj for that cant be thrown at the other hws even more

ive seen ppl shoutng now based on yesterday that wlder and even pov and whyte wll crush him. funny because you can find them losng all sorts of rounds to not great fghters..hurt by molna etc.. and pov was even given a count on the undercard. strange standards. last fght too aj won nearly all rounds vs carlos and dropped and cut the guy but ppl made out as it were some awful performance.

jamamb wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 10:17 to me theres really not much to crtcze the overall standard of aj for that cant be thrown at the other hws even more

ive seen ppl shoutng now based on yesterday that wlder and even pov wll defo crush him. funny because you can find them losng all sorts of rounds to not great fghters and pov was even given a count on the undercard. strange standards. last fght too aj won nearly all rounds vs carlos and dropped and cut the guy but ppl made out as it were some awful performance.

I love boxing (PERIOD). I don't pay much attention to the back and forth AJ v. Wilder thing. They are both different fighters. Joshua will dominate a fight end to end (generally speaking), while Wilder takes time to set up his right, thus losing way more rounds. Joshua is the better taught boxer; Wilder is the more powerful, but not to take away from AJ. I personally believe that Wilder is very wrong for AJ. Too long and way too powerful. His defenses are underrated as well. Wilder ain't pretty, but at 40-0 with 39 kayos you can't deny he's dangerous, no matter the in-ring competition, which I admit AJ's is better so far.

oogiebe wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 10:22

jamamb wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 10:17 to me theres really not much to crtcze the overall standard of aj for that cant be thrown at the other hws even more

ive seen ppl shoutng now based on yesterday that wlder and even pov wll defo crush him. funny because you can find them losng all sorts of rounds to not great fghters and pov was even given a count on the undercard. strange standards. last fght too aj won nearly all rounds vs carlos and dropped and cut the guy but ppl made out as it were some awful performance.

I love boxing (PERIOD). I don't pay much attention to the back and forth AJ v. Wilder thing. They are both different fighters. Joshua will dominate a fight end to end (generally speaking), while Wilder takes time to set up his right, thus losing way more rounds. Joshua is the better taught boxer; Wilder is the more powerful, but not to take away from AJ. I personally believe that Wilder is very wrong for AJ. Too long and way too powerful. His defenses are underrated as well. Wilder ain't pretty, but at 40-0 with 39 kayos you can't deny he's dangerous, no matter the in-ring competition, which I admit AJ's is better so far.

too long? there about the same

you also thought wlder destroys prime bowe very early rght

but anway my points about strange standards. losing a few rounds for josh seen as a huge deal but other fghters do it all the tme to worse opponents

jamamb wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 10:24

oogiebe wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 10:22

jamamb wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 10:17 to me theres really not much to crtcze the overall standard of aj for that cant be thrown at the other hws even more

ive seen ppl shoutng now based on yesterday that wlder and even pov wll defo crush him. funny because you can find them losng all sorts of rounds to not great fghters and pov was even given a count on the undercard. strange standards. last fght too aj won nearly all rounds vs carlos and dropped and cut the guy but ppl made out as it were some awful performance.

I love boxing (PERIOD). I don't pay much attention to the back and forth AJ v. Wilder thing. They are both different fighters. Joshua will dominate a fight end to end (generally speaking), while Wilder takes time to set up his right, thus losing way more rounds. Joshua is the better taught boxer; Wilder is the more powerful, but not to take away from AJ. I personally believe that Wilder is very wrong for AJ. Too long and way too powerful. His defenses are underrated as well. Wilder ain't pretty, but at 40-0 with 39 kayos you can't deny he's dangerous, no matter the in-ring competition, which I admit AJ's is better so far.

too long? there about the same

you also thought wlder destroys prime bowe very early rght

Still do. Never super impressed by Bowe. To be open, I was a huge Lewis fan (and still am)

but doesnt he need that time to set up the right as you say

jamamb wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 10:28 but doesnt he need that time to set up the right as you say

Sometimes it takes rounds (Washington; Ortiz, et al) sometimes not (Stiverne and many many others). What's your point?

just wondering what round do you have wlder blasting out a prme bowe? would he beat the sttverne 2nd try time?

but ya anyway...funny to see how some ppl react. ajs expectatons and hype are so hgh that losng a few rounds and not gettng the stoppage are huge deals. and apparently based on that he loses to guys who lose even more rounds to even worse opponents.

jamamb wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 10:35 just wondering what round do you have wlder blasting out a prme bowe? would he beat the sttverne 2nd try time?

4 rounds. (geez man...I'm guessing as much as you, we have no idea and to pretend we do is just ludicrous.) None of this talk matters. What matters is what happens in the ring. Geez I can't wait for Wilder/Joshua so all the banter will stop. Once in a while I get a fair response, but most times, folk are too much of fanatics.

Sure the Joshua/ Parker fight ws not the most exciting but AJ kept his range, used his height and reach to control the fight and was content to box out a win. If he stepped up the pace a little and thru combos and not just one punch at a time he maybe could have got a KO. Parker did look like he had quick hands and I think AJ didn't want to get caught with something stupid, but AJ should have hit the gas as little bit and made more of a statement.
Povetkin looked good, fast, and accurate although not hard to do against a guy like Price, even though he got caught with a shot that sent him back to the ropes. Still wondering why he got a standing 8 count? Didn't see his glove hit the canvas or he didn't look hurt but whatever he got the KO against a so-so fighter.

n8digitalis wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 11:39 Sure the Joshua/ Parker fight ws not the most exciting but AJ kept his range, used his height and reach to control the fight and was content to box out a win. If he stepped up the pace a little and thru combos and not just one punch at a time he maybe could have got a KO. Parker did look like he had quick hands and I think AJ didn't want to get caught with something stupid, but AJ should have hit the gas as little bit and made more of a statement.
Povetkin looked good, fast, and accurate although not hard to do against a guy like Price, even though he got caught with a shot that sent him back to the ropes. Still wondering why he got a standing 8 count? Didn't see his glove hit the canvas or he didn't look hurt but whatever he got the KO against a so-so fighter.

Having the ropes save yer ass constitutes a knockdown. Ref got that right...1 for 50,000.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑31 Mar 2018, 20:10 Joshua looked ok, but showed he can be troubled by a good jab and movement. Wilder doesn't exactly fit the good jab department, but he moves around the ring fairly well.

Povetkin definitely looked mediocre, and took a while to be able to get to Price. Got hurt himself at the end of the 3rd. He's definitely a vulnerable older fighter at this point, and is ready to be taken by any of the Top names in the division...and I'm not just talking about Joshua and Wilder.

If I had to pick who looked mediocre yesterday, that would be Joshua. He won his fight, but his opponents wasn't that good and didn't go all out, so Joshua's performance can't be rated high.

Re: Both Joshua and Povetkin had ambiguous perfomances

So did Wilder. I thought Deontay might not even come out for round 8.

DrDuke wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 07:26

ewenhay wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 07:23

DrDuke wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 07:17

That's true, of course, but still the expectations about Parker's conditions were too low, that's why AJ-Parker outcome can still be called surprising.

People under rated Parker because they over rate Joshua. Joshua isn't that much better than most of the competition really. He's just that bit bigger.

Parker also gave a lot of reasons to underrate with his previous title-fights. But, yes, people overrate Joshua in general.

Everybody underrates AJ... Joshua controlled this fight with his jab...a truly superior weapon... It cut Parker and messed up the left side of his face... Parker thought he'd control the ring space with his jab, but it's not as good a weapon as he and Berry think it is... and they underrated Joshua's jab... Parker said "AJ was better... Back to the drawing board."

Joshua doesn't throw a power jab that can be easily measured, timed and beaten -- such as Sonny Liston, George Foreman, Michael Grant and David Price threw.. Lennox Lewis and Wladimir Klitschko used a power jab before Emanuel Steward gave them a real jab... You see power jabs with Robert Helenius, Bryant Jennings, Gerald Washington, Kubrat Pulev and many other other Heavyweights who think they have a job... They try to beat the crap out of you with their jab and that why you see them coming.. That’s the wrong idea.. The idea is to NOT let them see the jab coming and connect.

Only .01% of boxers can pink with their jab or get really great timing on it like Holmes or Tunney... It’s a matter of stance, balance, footwork, concentration, feinting, timing, and a smooth delivery.

Parker has been boxing since he was 6 and has a lot more experience... His jab is nowhere near as good as AJ's.. Neither is Wilder's... AJ fools you with very subtle feints and his jab is smooth as glass... Wladimir gave AJ many tips on the jab when he sparred with him.. Wladimir thought he would be retired before AJ came up.. Normally you don't tell potential Challengers a damned thing that would make them tougher to beat...but he was ready to retire and AJ had 7 fights.... Joshua would not have beaten Parker by 118-110 scores if he didn’t have that jab.

Big Baby Miller is another guy with a jab.. Nice and smooth, great timing, and he keeps it going.. It’s a tireless jab.. Miller is the best Heavyweight in the world who doesn’t own a World Title..

Kalan wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 04:40

candyslim wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 03:58

tiny_acres wrote: ↑31 Mar 2018, 20:17

Dude I think you could of raped his dog and got less response

Is he wrong though?

Good point Candyslim.... Somebody out there thinks before they post...

If the criticism of Joshua isn't valid, it needs to be pointed out... It's not about being defensive... It's about people who stretch like contortionists to find flaws in any present day boxer -- but they attack you like an animal if you point out the faults and myths behind many ATG's of the past.

You are both getting laughed at here. Lighten up on the unwarranted Joshua by nut hugging.

Kalan, in not sure if you are 80 or 10 yrs old. Both of you are idiotic. I forgive you both due to the age.

Povetkin - The Mystery man of the Heavyweight Division

Genuinely how do people see Povetkin faring against Joshua, I would be highly intrigued to see this match up given Povetkin's stellla amateur and professional record. Reckon his age and size might be the determining factor in a fight against Joshua or Wilder both would like to see how both of these play out. You also have to consider the fact that Ryabinsky (his billionaire promoter) could force the hand of either Joshua or Wilder and play the fight out in Moscow. Interesting to see where Povetkin goes next, but I was super impressed with him watching him live in Cardiff, either way he dispatched of Price in a quick effective manner.

Badhusker wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 15:28

Kalan wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 04:40

candyslim wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 03:58

Is he wrong though?

Good point Candyslim.... Somebody out there thinks before they post...

If the criticism of Joshua isn't valid, it needs to be pointed out... It's not about being defensive... It's about people who stretch like contortionists to find flaws in any present day boxer -- but they attack you like an animal if you point out the faults and myths behind many ATG's of the past.

You are both getting laughed at here. Lighten up on the unwarranted Joshua by nut hugging.

Kalan, in not sure if you are 80 or 10 yrs old. Both of you are idiotic. I forgive you both due to the age.

It's a simple enough question (Is he wrong though?) even for you Badhusker although predictably you've made no attempt to answer it.

It's quite hilarious to be called a 'nuthugger' by you. It's a bit like being accused of cruelty by Pol Pot. If you even troubled to look at my posts today you'll see I've been somewhat underwhelmed by Joshua's performance while I hope keeping a sense of perspective.

oogiebe wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 09:16

candyslim wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 03:56 [quote=DrDuke post_id=4887922 time=1522537917 user}

BoloPunch wrote: ↑31 Mar 2018, 19:08 Joshua fought like Wlad tonight, it wasn't exciting, but it was a mature performance.

And here I won't agree. Wlad always had calculated actions. And Joshua sometimes looked like he was unsure, what to do.

In his 21st fight Wlad was fighting a guy for the second time who was 11 and 6. In his 25th fight he was getting his arse handed to him by Ross Purity. His actions didn't look all that calculated to me. I'm sure AJ will know what to do more and more as he gains experience.

Looked to me that AJ couldn't figure out how to engage Parker so he took the less risky route and quite easily outpointed him. Lewis did that...many times. Not an AJ fan but let's be fair. He's not an idiot.
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Exactly. I can't pretend I didn't expect more from AJ though, but tbf I don't think too many people are likely to beat Parker on that showing. He has lost his belt but his trousers won't be falling down. I think he has enhanced his reputation.

DrizzyDyer93 wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 15:32 Povetkin - The Mystery man of the Heavyweight Division

Genuinely how do people see Povetkin faring against Joshua, I would be highly intrigued to see this match up given Povetkin's stellla amateur and professional record. Reckon his age and size might be the determining factor in a fight against Joshua or Wilder both would like to see how both of these play out. You also have to consider the fact that Ryabinsky (his billionaire promoter) could force the hand of either Joshua or Wilder and play the fight out in Moscow. Interesting to see where Povetkin goes next, but I was super impressed with him watching him live in Cardiff, either way he dispatched of Price in a quick effective manner.

I've always rated Povetkin very highly but I don't believe he's anywhere near the fighter he was even two years ago. I don't see him getting to land on Joshua as easily as he did Price, and joshua will land hard shots like Price did only it won't necessarily be one shot in isolation, and it will be repeated several times until the fight ends.

Sasha is confronted with exactly the same problems that faced Parker but he no longer has the speed and reflexes to even partially solve them. In my opinion of course.

DrizzyDyer93 wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 15:32 Povetkin - The Mystery man of the Heavyweight Division

Genuinely how do people see Povetkin faring against Joshua, I would be highly intrigued to see this match up given Povetkin's stellla amateur and professional record. Reckon his age and size might be the determining factor in a fight against Joshua or Wilder both would like to see how both of these play out. You also have to consider the fact that Ryabinsky (his billionaire promoter) could force the hand of either Joshua or Wilder and play the fight out in Moscow. Interesting to see where Povetkin goes next, but I was super impressed with him watching him live in Cardiff, either way he dispatched of Price in a quick effective manner.

Povetkin is a great fighter and SHOULD get a Title Fight... But AJ flattens him... 3 years ago it would have been a good fight... 3 years ago Ortiz would have made an oil slick out of Wilder...

Time marches on and conquers all.... Even the Universe will fall.

Sh1t! I'd just booked my annual holiday too

candyslim wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 03:24 Sh1t! I'd just booked my annual holiday too

You should be OK. When exactly is your holiday? I'm looking at the schedule now, and - well it's not exactly the universe that's falling - but work on that interstellar highway whose route will go right through earth's orbit - isn't scheduled to begin until...let me see...oh my, it's sooner than i thought!

Do me a big favour x2x. When you start work on your inter-stellar highway keep at it until you've finished. Don't just bugger off for weeks at a time leaving the whole of hyperspace clogged up with traffic cones without a workman to be seen in ten parsecs

Badhusker wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 15:28

Kalan wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 04:40

candyslim wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 03:58

Is he wrong though?

Good point Candyslim.... Somebody out there thinks before they post...

If the criticism of Joshua isn't valid, it needs to be pointed out... It's not about being defensive... It's about people who stretch like contortionists to find flaws in any present day boxer -- but they attack you like an animal if you point out the faults and myths behind many ATG's of the past.

You are both getting laughed at here. Lighten up on the unwarranted Joshua by nut hugging.

Kalan, in not sure if you are 80 or 10 yrs old. Both of you are idiotic. I forgive you both due to the age.

I love your posts, Husker!!!! LMAO!!!!!

Looks like they will be facing each other next:

https://www.BS.com/povetkin-pr ... um=twitter

"We spoke with [Joshua's promoter] Eddie Hearn. We discussed beforehand that the next fight should take place between Povetkin and Joshua, but until the contract is signed, it's too early to talk about it as being something concrete. We plan to do it [fight] before the end of the year, probably in the fall," Ryabinsky said.

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 09:46 Looks like they will be facing each other next:

https://www.BS.com/povetkin-pr ... um=twitter

"We spoke with [Joshua's promoter] Eddie Hearn. We discussed beforehand that the next fight should take place between Povetkin and Joshua, but until the contract is signed, it's too early to talk about it as being something concrete. We plan to do it [fight] before the end of the year, probably in the fall," Ryabinsky said.

More delay on the RIGHT FIGHT...pushes Wilder to Spring 2019...criminal.