jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 09:12
He's just trying to generate attention, because he has no real following.
Unfortunately his act is pretty paper thin, and nobody really buys into it.
Apparently he's quite softly spoken and articulate in real life, the whole shtick is pretty poor.
Really? He has no real following?
No, he doesn't, that's why his purses are so small, he's not very popular.
Do you follow boxing?
not as much as I used to. I assumed he had a pretty good following despite his purses. The Ortiz fight did great views especially when you factor in it was going head to head with HBO Boxing and a UFC event. But, like I said, I don't follow the sport like I used to.
Re: Wilder says he wants to kill an opponent in the ring
Posted: 02 Apr 2018, 14:15
by Heretic
Beating up retards and boasting how he wants to kill other boxers. How childish can he get?
All those bums hes been feasting on is starting to affect hes brain.
And then they are wondering why he has no fans
Re: Wilder says he wants to kill an opponent in the ring
Posted: 02 Apr 2018, 14:18
by oogiebe
Heretic wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 14:15
Beating up retards and boasting how he wants to kill other boxers. How childish can he get?
All those bums hes been feasting on is starting to affect hes brain.
And then they are wondering why he has no fans
Nice.
Re: Wilder says he wants to kill an opponent in the ring
Posted: 02 Apr 2018, 14:34
by SenorPipino
I believe it was in Foreman's autobiography "By George!" that he said that he wanted to know how it felt to kill an opponent.
He said that when he fought Ali, he was more focused on actually trying to take his life than he was on winning a boxing match.
Boxing is a tough and brutal sport, populated by tough and brutal characters. I think that quite a few fighters feel the same way that Foreman did.
It's just that most don't come out and voice their feelings the way that Wilder did. But the Bronze Bomber is one outspoken dude.
Re: Wilder says he wants to kill an opponent in the ring
tiny_acres wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 22:06
Sonny Liston
George Foreman
Mike Tyson
All said the same thing. Disgusting and lacking class. But nothing new in boxing
True. Wilder is a hard guy to like with his personality, and with the stupid things he says. I like watching his fights though, as I did the others you mentioned. Floyd and Ali probably had the most haters world-wide in their eras, but people paid to watch hoping they would lose.
I guess this is Wilder's poor attempt to be the villain so he can at least gain that for popularity.
I'd have to be honest, I watched Wilder vs Ortiz, hoping Wilder would lose, I didn't watch any of his other fights because it was obvious to me that they had no chance. Those were like AJ fighting Molina, not interesting and very predicteble result.
I still don't understand why Wilder doesn't fight Whyte somehow, even if he expects to lose.
Re: Wilder says he wants to kill an opponent in the ring
tiny_acres wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 22:06
Sonny Liston
George Foreman
Mike Tyson
All said the same thing. Disgusting and lacking class. But nothing new in boxing
True. Wilder is a hard guy to like with his personality, and with the stupid things he says. I like watching his fights though, as I did the others you mentioned. Floyd and Ali probably had the most haters world-wide in their eras, but people paid to watch hoping they would lose.
I guess this is Wilder's poor attempt to be the villain so he can at least gain that for popularity.
I'd have to be honest, I watched Wilder vs Ortiz, hoping Wilder would lose, I didn't watch any of his other fights because it was obvious to me that they had no chance. Those were like AJ fighting Molina, not interesting and very predicteble result.
I still don't understand why Wilder doesn't fight Whyte somehow, even if he expects to lose.
Because as Wilder and Hearn both admitted no formal offer was ever made.
Only verbal jousting by both. Neither side has sent contracts
Re: Wilder says he wants to kill an opponent in the ring
Badhusker wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 07:06
True. Wilder is a hard guy to like with his personality, and with the stupid things he says. I like watching his fights though, as I did the others you mentioned. Floyd and Ali probably had the most haters world-wide in their eras, but people paid to watch hoping they would lose.
I guess this is Wilder's poor attempt to be the villain so he can at least gain that for popularity.
I'd have to be honest, I watched Wilder vs Ortiz, hoping Wilder would lose, I didn't watch any of his other fights because it was obvious to me that they had no chance. Those were like AJ fighting Molina, not interesting and very predicteble result.
I still don't understand why Wilder doesn't fight Whyte somehow, even if he expects to lose.
Because as Wilder and Hearn both admitted no formal offer was ever made.
Only verbal jousting by both. Neither side has sent contracts
Still, the first reaction was "no, I want 7 mil and my terms" and "I don't sell my belt for 4 mil!" Like Wilder expected to lose against Whyte. Like there could possibly be a theoretical way Wilder would receive 7 mil for that, especially at that time.
Re: Wilder says he wants to kill an opponent in the ring
asdfjkl wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 15:35
I'd have to be honest, I watched Wilder vs Ortiz, hoping Wilder would lose, I didn't watch any of his other fights because it was obvious to me that they had no chance. Those were like AJ fighting Molina, not interesting and very predicteble result.
I still don't understand why Wilder doesn't fight Whyte somehow, even if he expects to lose.
Because as Wilder and Hearn both admitted no formal offer was ever made.
Only verbal jousting by both. Neither side has sent contracts
Still, the first reaction was "no, I want 7 mil and my terms" and "I don't sell my belt for 4 mil!" Like Wilder expected to lose against Whyte. Like there could possibly be a theoretical way Wilder would receive 7 mil for that, especially at that time.
Dude I mean this with all due respect.
No matter what someone verbally offers you in life double it.
If you know you'll work for $10 an hour tell your future employee you'd like $20.
If you get offered an insurance for a slip and fall their first offer is not their best.
Until a contract is in front of you and the pen in hand there is always room to increase your bargaining.
It's the way business works
Re: Wilder says he wants to kill an opponent in the ring
Posted: 02 Apr 2018, 16:42
by sweetviolenturge
What Wilder said is regrettable but if you read/listen to what he said in the interview he said that it's what his alter ego "The Bronze Bomber" ( the persona that he becomes while in the ring ) wants to do while fighting, not him personally. RJJ said much the same thing about himself & "RJ", I do believe. It's just a mindset of kill or be killed while in combat.
Re: Wilder says he wants to kill an opponent in the ring
Posted: 02 Apr 2018, 16:46
by oogiebe
sweetviolenturge wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 16:42
What Wilder said is regrettable but if you read/listen to what he said in the interview he said that it's what his alter ego "The Bronze Bomber" ( the persona that he becomes while in the ring ) wants to do while fighting, not him personally. RJJ said much the same thing about himself & "RJ", I do believe. It's just a mindset of kill or be killed while in combat.
I love Wilder, but that's a copout.
Re: Wilder says he wants to kill an opponent in the ring
Posted: 02 Apr 2018, 18:33
by Lackeos
Wales wrote: ↑01 Apr 2018, 22:31
Really shitty thing to say though, almost childish. Mind you so is the whole yelling “Bomb squad”.
There is a grand canyon of difference between killing a person and saying "bomb squad."
Re: Wilder says he wants to kill an opponent in the ring
Posted: 02 Apr 2018, 18:46
by Best Coast
Impractical Poster wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 09:10
Yeah, Tyson said some crazy stuff about how he'd kill his opponent and their kids. Nothing to see here.
It's all tactical. A fighter may tend to be off his game if he thinks his opponent is trying to murder him. I've told someone I was going to kill him thinking we were going to fight. However, I couldn't murder anyone. These are things combatants might say when fired up.
Exactly...that's why it's called trash talk!! Snowflakes are getting way too "offended" over words.
Mike Tyson told numerous fighters (Frans Botha, Razor Ruddock, etc) he WOULD kill them in the ring. Here's a very revealing video called "Mike Tyson SAVAGE Moments" with 13 minutes of Tyson:
* Threatening to tear out Lennox Lewis' heart and eat his children
* Screaming threats at a white reporter who offended him with a question that he would rape and kill the guy that he called a "little white faggot"
* Telling Razor Ruddock in a joint interview that he would rape AND kill him.
* Telling a reporter "I wish you had children so I could stop on their testicles"
* Biting off Holyfield's ear in the middle of their fight
* A whole lot more that defies sanity
Did fight fans back then whine and fret over Tyson's words? Most folks got justifiably upset at the ear bite, but most fans laughed off his words as all talk.
Maybe fight fans back then werent such touchy snowflakes who get all worked up over trash talk !!
Re: Wilder says he wants to kill an opponent in the ring
Posted: 02 Apr 2018, 19:00
by jamamb
for years mike was considered a nutcase i thought
Re: Wilder says he wants to kill an opponent in the ring
Posted: 02 Apr 2018, 20:39
by Best Coast
jamamb wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 19:00
for years mike was considered a nutcase i thought
He WAS widely considered a nutcase and a thug because he was both. Tyson won several fights through intimidation before the first bell ever rang. And most fight fans just rolled their eyes & said that's just Tyson being Tyson instead of getting all worked up over trash talk. In Mike's case the purpose of the talk was two-fold:
* Psyche HIMSELF up into what Hagler referred to as "destruct and destroy mode
* Intimidate his opponent, which clearly worked in many cases
Mayweather, on the other hand, was more calculating, and he played the villain because he knows it sells LOTS more tickets/PPVs. With the help of GBP he started that strategy in 2007 vs Oscar. It's not hard for Floyd to play the villain, since he is a jerk in many ways.
I think Wilder's trash talk is somewhere in between Tyson's and Floyd's strategies (part intimidation tactics/part selling tickets) but he's not as good as either Tyson at intimidating OR Floyd at playing the villain. So he just comes off as a jerk (which he is) and it will be interesting to see if his trash talking works toward serving either purpose. Wilder is definitely NOT intimidating AJ or ANYONE else but only time will tell how many haters he can draw to boost the PPV numbers, looking to see him get beat.
Re: Wilder says he wants to kill an opponent in the ring
jamamb wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 19:00
for years mike was considered a nutcase i thought
He WAS widely considered a nutcase and a thug because he was both. Tyson won several fights through intimidation before the first bell ever rang. And most fight fans just rolled their eyes & said that's just Tyson being Tyson instead of getting all worked up over trash talk. In Mike's case the purpose of the talk was two-fold:
* Psyche HIMSELF up into what Hagler referred to as "destruct and destroy mode
* Intimidate his opponent, which clearly worked in many cases
Mayweather, on the other hand, was more calculating, and he played the villain because he knows it sells LOTS more tickets/PPVs. With the help of GBP he started that strategy in 2007 vs Oscar. It's not hard for Floyd to play the villain, since he is a jerk in many ways.
I think Wilder's trash talk is somewhere in between Tyson's and Floyd's strategies (part intimidation tactics/part selling tickets) but he's not as good as either Tyson at intimidating OR Floyd at playing the villain. So he just comes off as a jerk (which he is) and it will be interesting to see if his trash talking works toward serving either purpose. Wilder is definitely NOT intimidating AJ or ANYONE else but only time will tell how many haters he can draw to boost the PPV numbers, looking to see him get beat.
Tyson was in the worst place after Cayton died and he just continually acted out. I really think he was more serious than hype, and his actions proved that to be. Fighters put their lives on the line each and every time they fight, so I really feel that Wilder was completely out of line.
Re: Wilder says he wants to kill an opponent in the ring
Posted: 02 Apr 2018, 21:06
by Best Coast
oogiebe wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 20:43Tyson was in the worst place after Cayton died and he just continually acted out. I really think he was more serious than hype, and his actions proved that to be. Fighters put their lives on the line each and every time they fight, so I really feel that Wilder was completely out of line.
Come on amigo, you cant be serious!!
Did you even watch the video to refresh your mind that his thuggish insanity started long before Cayton died in 2003? (Not sure if you were alive then or old enough to see this stuff when it happened.)
* Threatening to tear out Lennox Lewis' heart and eat his children
* Screaming threats at a white reporter who offended him with a question that he would rape and kill the guy that he called a "little white faggot"
* Telling Razor Ruddock in a joint interview that he would rape AND kill him.
* Telling a reporter "I wish you had children so I could stop on their testicles"
* Biting off Holyfield's ear in the middle of their fight
* A whole lot more that defies sanity
Tyson was ALWAYS a psychotic thug. By his OWN admission when he was an early teenager he used approach little old ladies on the street and offer to help carry their groceries to their tenement apartments. Then when they got in the elevator he would forcibly take their money/food stamps.
If you find Wilder's trash talk offensive that's fine, amigo. But PLEASE dont make excuses for Tyson doing FAR WORSE in & out of the ring!
Re: Wilder says he wants to kill an opponent in the ring
oogiebe wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 20:43Tyson was in the worst place after Cayton died and he just continually acted out. I really think he was more serious than hype, and his actions proved that to be. Fighters put their lives on the line each and every time they fight, so I really feel that Wilder was completely out of line.
Come on amigo, you cant be serious!!
Did you even watch the video to refresh your mind that his thuggish insanity started long before Cayton died in 2003? (Not sure if you were alive then or old enough to see this stuff when it happened.)
* Threatening to tear out Lennox Lewis' heart and eat his children
* Screaming threats at a white reporter who offended him with a question that he would rape and kill the guy that he called a "little white faggot"
* Telling Razor Ruddock in a joint interview that he would rape AND kill him.
* Telling a reporter "I wish you had children so I could stop on their testicles"
* Biting off Holyfield's ear in the middle of their fight
* A whole lot more that defies sanity
Tyson was ALWAYS a psychotic thug. By his OWN admission when he was an early teenager he used approach little old ladies on the street and offer to help carry their groceries to their tenement apartments. Then when they got in the elevator he would forcibly take their money/food stamps.
If you find Wilder's trash talk offensive that's fine, amigo. But PLEASE dont make excuses for Tyson doing FAR WORSE in & out of the ring!
I'm sorry, I meant Jacobs. Cayton did nothing for Tyson...humble apologies. honest mistake
Re: Wilder says he wants to kill an opponent in the ring
Posted: 02 Apr 2018, 21:27
by Best Coast
Doesnt change a thing amigo? Tyson nuthuggers have blamed EVERYONE but Tyson for his thuggery, criminality and even some of his LOSSES in the ring:
Cus D'Amato died in 1985
Jimmy Jacobs died in 1988
Kevin Rooney got fired in 1988.
Tyson's savage behavior started long BEFORE any of those guys died and continued long AFTER they died/got fired.
Were you following boxing when ALL Tyson's savagery was happening? If not you REALLY need to watch this whole video. Even if you were it's a great memory refresher!!
Re: Wilder says he wants to kill an opponent in the ring
Posted: 02 Apr 2018, 21:30
by oogiebe
Best Coast wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 21:27
Doesnt change a thing amigo? Tyson nuthuggers have blamed EVERYONE but Tyson for his thuggery, criminality and even some of his LOSSES in the ring:
Cus D'Amato died in 1985
Jimmy Jacobs died in 1988
Kevin Rooney got fired in 1988.
Tyson's savage behavior started long BEFORE any of those guys died and continued long AFTER they died/got fired.
Were you following boxing when ALL Tyson's savagery was happening? If not you REALLY need to watch this whole video. Even if you were it's a great memory refresher!!
Tyson was a thug and I've always said he was a thug post Jacob's death. Without outside positive influence his true nature came out. He was an animal and as I said he was more serious than hype in what he said and did. No one else is responsible, only Tyson.
Re: Wilder says he wants to kill an opponent in the ring
tiny_acres wrote: ↑02 Apr 2018, 15:53
Because as Wilder and Hearn both admitted no formal offer was ever made.
Only verbal jousting by both. Neither side has sent contracts
Still, the first reaction was "no, I want 7 mil and my terms" and "I don't sell my belt for 4 mil!" Like Wilder expected to lose against Whyte. Like there could possibly be a theoretical way Wilder would receive 7 mil for that, especially at that time.
Dude I mean this with all due respect.
No matter what someone verbally offers you in life double it.
If you know you'll work for $10 an hour tell your future employee you'd like $20.
If you get offered an insurance for a slip and fall their first offer is not their best.
Until a contract is in front of you and the pen in hand there is always room to increase your bargaining.
It's the way business works
But really if you think about it, Wilder generates 1,5 mil, Whyte generates 2,5 mil, combined will be extra exciting, so they might make it to 4,8 mil or so and Wilder got offered 4 mil, which sounds at least very very fair to me. But 7 mil?! That just doesn't make sense, where does that money come from?
Hi boss, you want to offer me a 50k year salary? I demand a 3050k year salary!
Re: Wilder says he wants to kill an opponent in the ring
Posted: 03 Apr 2018, 05:32
by Espada
A bit daft from Wilder, but got to exacpt things like this from certain people, he is just hyping himself up.
I personally not bothered about seeing KO in boxing, i prefer skill and a good fight
Re: Wilder says he wants to kill an opponent in the ring
Posted: 03 Apr 2018, 06:02
by Enlightened-One
What I'm interpreting from some of the nutters defending Wilder's words, is that stupidly offensive things should continue to happen, simply because they occurred in the past.
They clearly feel that civilisation shouldn't be allowed to evolve and learn from mistakes, because their nostalgia compels them to believe that nothing in today's world is better than the “good old days”.
I wonder if their opinion is consistent and applicable to all stupidly offensive things that have occurred in the past or do they allow their bias to selectively pick-and-choose to defend the heinous actions of certain individuals, simply because they support those particular people.
Perhaps these people forget about the real dangers involved in the sport of boxing, without appreciating that fatalities and life-changing injuries are a reality, whereby such tragedies should be mourned rather than exploited for self-promotional purposes in order to hog media spotlight.
Boxing isn't the WWE.
Re: Wilder says he wants to kill an opponent in the ring
Posted: 03 Apr 2018, 11:27
by SenorPipino
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑03 Apr 2018, 06:02
What I'm interpreting from some of the nutters defending Wilder's words, is that stupidly offensive things should continue to happen, simply because they occurred in the past.
They clearly feel that civilisation shouldn't be allowed to evolve and learn from mistakes, because their nostalgia compels them to believe that nothing in today's world is better than the “good old days”.
I wonder if their opinion is consistent and applicable to all stupidly offensive things that have occurred in the past or do they allow their bias to selectively pick-and-choose to defend the heinous actions of certain individuals, simply because they support those particular people.
Perhaps these people forget about the real dangers involved in the sport of boxing, without appreciating that fatalities and life-changing injuries are a reality, whereby such tragedies should be mourned rather than exploited for self-promotional purposes in order to hog media spotlight.
Boxing isn't the WWE.
There's a sizeable number of people who think that boxing is worse than the WWE.
Boxing is real. WWE isn't.
Pretending to threaten and harm someone in professional wrestling is just for show. No one means what they do or say.
But boxing is real life, and fighters genuinely intend to harm their opponents.
So if they're willing to pummel someone into unconsciousness until the opponent slumps to the canvas or the referee intervenes, why should anyone be offended or surprised by mere threatening words?
If you enjoy watching a man risk his life in the ring and absorbing a potentially fatal beating, then how can any fan pretend to be sanctimonious and decry Wilder's words?
Re: Wilder says he wants to kill an opponent in the ring
Posted: 03 Apr 2018, 11:48
by candyslim
I have never taken anything Wilder says too seriously, so it would seem to me to be hypocrisy on my part, were I to start now.
Re: Wilder says he wants to kill an opponent in the ring
Posted: 03 Apr 2018, 12:16
by Thomastearns
You can take Wilder's words anyway you want, but he's succeeding if his intention was to draw attention to himself. If he's simply expressing his intentions in the ring then its worth remembering that its not his job to protect his opponent. That responsibility is down to the referee, the cornermen, the ringside doctor and all the authorities responsible.
Generally it's safe to say that this kind of showmanship is more acceptable in the US than the UK as the recent cases of the O'Hara Davies suspension and the Tyan Booth ban for 'unacceptable comments' seem to indicate.
So is UK boxing more civilized, or just more hypocritical? Depends how you view boxing I guess.
I tend to regard it as the attempt of skill to triumph over savagery. Which is why I feel that one of Ali's best moments came when he refrained from hitting Foreman as he made his way to the canvas.
not as much as I used to. I assumed he had a pretty good following despite his purses. The Ortiz fight did great views especially when you factor in it was going head to head with HBO Boxing and a UFC event. But, like I said, I don't follow the sport like I used to.
