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Re: wilder - joshua
Posted: 04 Apr 2018, 18:03
by tiny_acres
oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Apr 2018, 18:01
HeavyHitters wrote: ↑04 Apr 2018, 17:59
I also want to see this fight happen within the next year or two. But there would have to be added incentives for when these two enter the ring together. Since recent heavyweight championship title fights have given us lackluster results, The promoter needs to give both Wilder and Joshua added motivation to make it a great, entertaining fight.
I say $100,000 grand extra to either fighter scoring a 1st round KO.
$75,000 for a KO before the 5th round.
$50,000 for a KO before the 10th round.
$25,000 for a KO before the closing bell.
$20,000 added in for any knockdowns or standing eight count against his opponent.
What do you guys think?
You'd have to add another zero or two to make the fighters actually G.A.S.
Yeah those numbers would make Joshua laugh.
Re: wilder - joshua
Posted: 04 Apr 2018, 18:50
by Kalan
HeavyHitters wrote: ↑04 Apr 2018, 17:59
I also want to see this fight happen within the next year or two. But there would have to be added incentives for when these two enter the ring together. Since recent heavyweight championship title fights have given us lackluster results, The promoter needs to give both Wilder and Joshua added motivation to make it a great, entertaining fight.
I say $100,000 grand extra to either fighter scoring a 1st round KO.
$75,000 for a KO before the 5th round.
$50,000 for a KO before the 10th round.
$25,000 for a KO before the closing bell.
$20,000 added in for any knockdowns or standing eight count against his opponent.
What do you guys think?
If you make 10MM to 30MM for a fight it doesn't matter... If they lose they'll be making one HELL of a lot LESS than if they keep winning... That's all they're thinking about -- not extra money for sparring partner bonuses and tipping waiters.
Re: wilder - joshua
Posted: 05 Apr 2018, 11:13
by man
HeavyHitters wrote: ↑04 Apr 2018, 17:59
I also want to see this fight happen within the next year or two. But there would have to be added incentives for when these two enter the ring together. Since recent heavyweight championship title fights have given us lackluster results, The promoter needs to give both Wilder and Joshua added motivation to make it a great, entertaining fight.
I say $100,000 grand extra to either fighter scoring a 1st round KO.
$75,000 for a KO before the 5th round.
$50,000 for a KO before the 10th round.
$25,000 for a KO before the closing bell.
$20,000 added in for any knockdowns or standing eight count against his opponent.
What do you guys think?
i don't think that recent fights were uninteresting,
they just didn't turn out exactly as the casual fan
would like them to turn out.
and for incentive, i think it is a really bad idea to
try and influence the dynamics of a fight that way.
it is sometimes a great fight plan to get the other
guy tired and that takes time. plus i don't see the
logic in a shorter fight being a better fight. AJ-wlad
was as good as it gets and it was a hell of a fight for
11 rounds.
Re: wilder - joshua
Posted: 05 Apr 2018, 11:14
by oogiebe
It sounds like a low-priced bounty.
Re: wilder - joshua
Posted: 05 Apr 2018, 13:15
by HeavyHitters
oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Apr 2018, 18:01
HeavyHitters wrote: ↑04 Apr 2018, 17:59
I also want to see this fight happen within the next year or two. But there would have to be added incentives for when these two enter the ring together. Since recent heavyweight championship title fights have given us lackluster results, The promoter needs to give both Wilder and Joshua added motivation to make it a great, entertaining fight.
I say $100,000 grand extra to either fighter scoring a 1st round KO.
$75,000 for a KO before the 5th round.
$50,000 for a KO before the 10th round.
$25,000 for a KO before the closing bell.
$20,000 added in for any knockdowns or standing eight count against his opponent.
What do you guys think?
You'd have to add another zero or two to make the fighters actually G.A.S.
Yes, you are probably right. I haven't seen any figures on how much these two are making in their recent fights. So, add a
zero to each of those numbers then.
I don't know about the rest of you, but I'd love to see these guys actually go to-to-toe, instead of feel each other out for 1 to 5 rounds, before they finally commit to anything serious. I'm tired of these guys getting in the ring, being paid gobs of cash, and go thru the motions like it's just another sparring session. In those type of championship fights, it's the fans who lose out.
I love it when two heavyweights come out swinging from the get go. That is what made Mike Tyson such a huge draw. All you heard back then before each of his earlier championship fights, is "Don't blink" or "Don't go to the fridge!"
Heavyweight boxing NEEDS that again! And if Joshua or Wilder cannot deliver that to us, especially
now when they have to face better opponents as champs, then we'll just have to wait for
Daniel Dubois to give us that excitement!

Re: wilder - joshua
Posted: 06 Apr 2018, 14:18
by Kalan
HeavyHitters wrote: ↑05 Apr 2018, 13:15
I love it when two heavyweights come out swinging from the get go. That is what made Mike Tyson such a huge draw. All you heard back then before each of his earlier championship fights, is "Don't blink" or "Don't go to the fridge!"
Heavyweight boxing NEEDS that again! And if Joshua or Wilder cannot deliver that to us, especially
now when they have to face better opponents as champs, then we'll just have to wait for
Daniel Dubois to give us that excitement!
I'm sure Daniel Dubois is already on Joshua and Wilder's radar screens... They know in a couple years he's going to be knocking the door down for a Title Fight... That's what Heavyweight Boxing is all about.. There's always a dangerous Heavyweight like Joshua, Wilder, or Ortiz on the horizon... Now it's Dubois...
It didn't happen in the 1940's and that was because of WWII... Either the lead up to the war... the war itself... or the aftermath of the war had everyone on edge... Now there is a little rumbling and saber rattling again out there... It's so stupid.
As far as Mike Tyson coming out swinging???... That's what a 1-dimensional fighter does... If Mike couldn't beat the living crap out of you he was lost... I prefer Heavyweights who can box, punch, and think to the dummies who swing away... Boxing is a violent sport... However the boxers themselves aren't in there to get their brains beaten out.
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Re: wilder - joshua
Posted: 06 Apr 2018, 19:28
by oogiebe
man wrote: ↑04 Apr 2018, 13:10
my money would still be on AJ for better
composure. to me wilder is just crazy open
too often too long.
wilder's weakness is balance, AJ's is stamina.
mentally i think wilder made a boost by finding
out that in addition to a right hand he has a chin.
right now it is
the fight in a boxing.
I agree with your assessment except AJ for better composure. Wilder's wild antics only happen when his opponent is in a lot of trouble. He was actually more 'controlled' in the final round with Ortiz. His balance sucks the crap from a pigs a$$, but I have to believe AJ has no approach that gets him to the promised land. In addition, Wilder knows he can throw while taking shots, and AJ just covers up and doesn't fire. Thanks! Great post!
Re: wilder - joshua
Posted: 06 Apr 2018, 19:29
by oogiebe
HeavyHitters wrote: ↑05 Apr 2018, 13:15
oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Apr 2018, 18:01
HeavyHitters wrote: ↑04 Apr 2018, 17:59
I also want to see this fight happen within the next year or two. But there would have to be added incentives for when these two enter the ring together. Since recent heavyweight championship title fights have given us lackluster results, The promoter needs to give both Wilder and Joshua added motivation to make it a great, entertaining fight.
I say $100,000 grand extra to either fighter scoring a 1st round KO.
$75,000 for a KO before the 5th round.
$50,000 for a KO before the 10th round.
$25,000 for a KO before the closing bell.
$20,000 added in for any knockdowns or standing eight count against his opponent.
What do you guys think?
You'd have to add another zero or two to make the fighters actually G.A.S.
Yes, you are probably right. I haven't seen any figures on how much these two are making in their recent fights. So, add a
zero to each of those numbers then.
I don't know about the rest of you, but I'd love to see these guys actually go to-to-toe, instead of feel each other out for 1 to 5 rounds, before they finally commit to anything serious. I'm tired of these guys getting in the ring, being paid gobs of cash, and go thru the motions like it's just another sparring session. In those type of championship fights, it's the fans who lose out.
I love it when two heavyweights come out swinging from the get go. That is what made Mike Tyson such a huge draw. All you heard back then before each of his earlier championship fights, is "Don't blink" or "Don't go to the fridge!"
Heavyweight boxing NEEDS that again! And if Joshua or Wilder cannot deliver that to us, especially
now when they have to face better opponents as champs, then we'll just have to wait for
Daniel Dubois to give us that excitement!
Based on this...can I assume that Lyle/Foreman one of your more favorite fights to watch?
Re: wilder - joshua
Posted: 06 Apr 2018, 20:15
by Kalan
oogiebe wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 19:28
Wilder knows he can throw while taking shots, and AJ just covers up and doesn't fire. Thanks! Great post!
Not true... Go to this video...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jfe-TMSb-yU Numerous hard exchanges of punches... It takes 2 to fight... And even more, it takes 2 to make an ATG Heavyweight Championship Fight.
Re: wilder - joshua
Posted: 06 Apr 2018, 20:19
by oogiebe
I did as you asked. Those weren't bomb like exchanges. I'm speaking about things like the end of the Ortiz fight. The counter right that began the end of the fight was thrown while being hit with a hard shot from Ortiz. In other times of that fight, there were great exchanges that neither Klitchko nor Joshua have showed me. Maybe I could've said it better.
Re: wilder - joshua
Posted: 06 Apr 2018, 20:24
by Kalan
oogiebe wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 20:19
I did as you asked. Those weren't bomb like exchanges. I'm speaking about things like the end of the Ortiz fight. The counter right that began the end of the fight was thrown while being hit with a hard shot from Ortiz. In other times of that fight, there were great exchanges that neither Klitchko nor Joshua have showed me. Maybe I could've said it better.
You're wrong... Joshua fired back after taking hard shots... Wilder didn't fire back when he was seriously hurt... He was watching for the next punch... If you don't do that you'll soon be out colder than 7 barrels of penguin shitt.
Re: wilder - joshua
Posted: 06 Apr 2018, 20:28
by oogiebe
Kalan wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 20:24
oogiebe wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 20:19
I did as you asked. Those weren't bomb like exchanges. I'm speaking about things like the end of the Ortiz fight. The counter right that began the end of the fight was thrown while being hit with a hard shot from Ortiz. In other times of that fight, there were great exchanges that neither Klitchko nor Joshua have showed me. Maybe I could've said it better.
You're wrong... Joshua fired back after taking hard shots... Wilder didn't fire back when he was seriously hurt... He was watching for the next punch... If you don't do that you'll soon be out colder than 7 barrels of penguin shitt.
Whoa slow down tiger! Taking hard shots and being seriously hurt are two different empires. Joshua didn't fire back when he was hurt by Wlad...he went down. Wilder took way more shots from Ortiz and never went down. So if that's wrong, I'm a card carrying member. Please don't respond that Ortiz is a fat on high-blood pressure meds over the hill 90 y/o. It's just not true. Wlad was 41 and washed up. Ortiz is STILL in the field of view at no. 3 or 4 in the world. "You're wrong" seriously?
Re: wilder - joshua
Posted: 06 Apr 2018, 20:39
by NateJR
2 Giants throwing big punches at each other, anything can happen. Right now I favor Wilder by the narrowest of margins only because I didn't want to copout and not pick one. I'm not at all confident picking either guy, one reason this fight is so important for the sport and the HW division. Alot of what ifs.
Re: wilder - joshua
Posted: 06 Apr 2018, 20:46
by NateJR
2 Giants throwing big punches at each other, anything can happen. Right now I favor Wilder by the narrowest of margins only because I didn't want to copout and not pick one. I'm not at all confident picking either guy, one reason this fight is so important for the sport and the HW division. Alot of what ifs.
Re: wilder - joshua
Posted: 07 Apr 2018, 03:34
by Kalan
oogiebe wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 20:28
Kalan wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 20:24
oogiebe wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 20:19
I did as you asked. Those weren't bomb like exchanges. I'm speaking about things like the end of the Ortiz fight. The counter right that began the end of the fight was thrown while being hit with a hard shot from Ortiz. In other times of that fight, there were great exchanges that neither Klitchko nor Joshua have showed me. Maybe I could've said it better.
You're wrong... Joshua fired back after taking hard shots... Wilder didn't fire back when he was seriously hurt... He was watching for the next punch... If you don't do that you'll soon be out colder than 7 barrels of penguin shitt.
Whoa slow down tiger! Taking hard shots and being seriously hurt are two different empires. Joshua didn't fire back when he was hurt by Wlad...he went down. Wilder took way more shots from Ortiz and never went down. So if that's wrong, I'm a card carrying member. Please don't respond that Ortiz is a fat on high-blood pressure meds over the hill 90 y/o. It's just not true. Wlad was 41 and washed up. Ortiz is STILL in the field of view at no. 3 or 4 in the world. "You're wrong" seriously?
Yeah... seriously wrong... Wladimir was NOT washed up and fought the best fight of his life. He turned the clock back. And YES, Ortiz is starting to have a lot of middle age problems like high blood pressure and Klitschko ISN'T having them... Ortiz looked fat as Hell and Klitschko looked slender and fit... Wilder did NOT take way more shots from Ortiz... And Joshua was throwing when Wladimir was throwing... Your statement that "AJ just covers up and doesn't fire" is just wrong as Hell.
Re: wilder - joshua
Posted: 07 Apr 2018, 10:31
by oogiebe
Kalan wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 03:34
oogiebe wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 20:28
Kalan wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 20:24
You're wrong... Joshua fired back after taking hard shots... Wilder didn't fire back when he was seriously hurt... He was watching for the next punch... If you don't do that you'll soon be out colder than 7 barrels of penguin shitt.
Whoa slow down tiger! Taking hard shots and being seriously hurt are two different empires. Joshua didn't fire back when he was hurt by Wlad...he went down. Wilder took way more shots from Ortiz and never went down. So if that's wrong, I'm a card carrying member. Please don't respond that Ortiz is a fat on high-blood pressure meds over the hill 90 y/o. It's just not true. Wlad was 41 and washed up. Ortiz is STILL in the field of view at no. 3 or 4 in the world. "You're wrong" seriously?
Yeah... seriously wrong... Wladimir was NOT washed up and fought the best fight of his life. He turned the clock back. And YES, Ortiz is starting to have a lot of middle age problems like high blood pressure and Klitschko ISN'T having them... Ortiz looked fat as Hell and Klitschko looked slender and fit... Wilder did NOT take way more shots from Ortiz... And Joshua was throwing when Wladimir was throwing... Your statement that "AJ just covers up and doesn't fire" is just wrong as Hell.
OKAY!
Re: wilder - joshua
Posted: 07 Apr 2018, 10:37
by geronimo
Hard to predict. Just few moths ago (before the Wilder-Ortiz bout), i would have said Joshua via KO, now i'd say that it will be a 50% fight. The performance of Joshua with Parker wasn't so good and Wilder against Ortiz showed that is not a fraud.
Re: wilder - joshua
Posted: 07 Apr 2018, 10:44
by oogiebe
geronimo wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 10:37
Hard to predict. Just few moths ago (before the Wilder-Ortiz bout), i would have said Joshua via KO, now i'd say that it will be a 50% fight. The performance of Joshua with Parker wasn't so good and Wilder against Ortiz showed that is not a fraud.
Fair points.
Re: wilder - joshua
Posted: 09 Apr 2018, 01:33
by man
geronimo wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 10:37
Hard to predict. Just few moths ago (before the Wilder-Ortiz bout), i would have said Joshua via KO, now i'd say that it will be a 50% fight. The performance of Joshua with Parker wasn't so good and Wilder against Ortiz showed that is not a fraud.
you're spot on with the poll.