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gilgamesh wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 11:53 No way Hearn would let AJ defend in Moscow. AJ is the Man in the division and if you're fighting AJ you're doing it on his terms. At least for now. Somebody is gonna have to beat him to take away that kinda edge from him. As long as he's the money man he's calling the shots.

greg wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 15:03 ..I would expect REAL champs to be willing to box occasionally outside of their backyards, I bet you feel different when the huge crowd cheers someone else..having said that, I don't mind Povetkin fighting in Britain..

x2x wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 23:29

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 18:36

x2x wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 15:22


As you know, Luis, I strongly disagree! THIS is the fight I've been waiting for, not the Wilder one. Wilder has already chickened out of a fight with the Vityaz man. I don't think that Joshua will do that.

does not necessarily beat a small
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUCr29sBikQ&t=90s

Watch this video and then explain to me how this fight isn't going to be a mismatch!

Excellent analysis in your vid about how Lewis cheated to beat Tyson and Wlad cheated in the very same way (same trainer) to beat Povetkin. Excellent vid, except the part about how Vitali "lost" to lewis! That was even much worse cheating by Lewis than he pulled on Tyson. Nothing to do with Vitali having "thin skin", which he didn't.

A tall man does not necessarily beat a shorter man. What happened was you had two crooked referees who allowed Lewis and Wlad to cheat, and a third even more crooked referee in the Lewis - Vitali fight. Really though, it's now becoming redundant and unnecessary to say "crooked referee". It's like you don't have to bother to say crooked politician. That's a given. Of course boxing judges are the same, and now boxing referees are pretty much falling into that category too. Suppose the referee permitted the shorter man to keep punching the taller man below the belt, a la Ward in Mafia City? Then the shorter man would have the big advantage. But yeah Joshua will no doubt get another ref who is, as they say in the mob, a friend of our friends, but Joshua is no Wlad or even Lewis, and hopefully Povetkin's corner will vigorously protest if and when he starts to do the leaning and grabbing thing, tho corners never seem to do that nowadays. And also hopefully Povetkin will have a counter strategy for that, like - hit him in the balls! I never had trouble with tall guys. I just punched them in the stomach tee hee!

asdfjkl wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 18:57

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 18:36

x2x wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 15:22
As you know, Luis, I strongly disagree! THIS is the fight I've been waiting for, not the Wilder one. Wilder has already chickened out of a fight with the Vityaz man. I don't think that Joshua will do that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUCr29sBikQ&t=90s
Watch this video and then explain to me how this fight isn't going to be a mismatch!

Explain to me how AJ vs anyone but in shape Tyson Fury isn't a mismatch

Loki wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 18:50

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 18:37

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 14:47

How do you figure?

Just 2 years ago Povetkin was even money to beat Wilder, and hasn't lost in the meantime. How is he a mismatch now for AJ?

He's a Top 5 ranked Heavyweight in anybody's book so he'd be one of the AJ's 3 or 4 best opponents up to this point of his career any way you wanna measure it.

It's not AJ vs Wilder, but it's not a mismatch.

It doesn't really take a rocket scientist to work out how this bout really should be a total mismatch to begin with anyway. Do I really need to spell it out for you?

1) Anthony Joshua's 95% KO rate > Alexander Povetkin's 69% KO Rate.

2) Anthony Joshua's 6 foot 6 height > Povetkin's 6 foot 1 height.

3) Anthony Joshua's 240+ pound body weight > Povetkin's -230 pound body weight.

4) Anthony Joshua's 82 inch reach > Povetkin's 75 inch reach.

5) Anthony Joshua's 28 years in age > Povetkin's 38 years in age.

6) Anthony Joshua's more muscular physique > Povetkin's less muscular and chubbier / fatter / pudgier physique.

Should I go on?

What advantage does Povetkin hold over Joshua? Pretty much nothing! Except some experience maybe. But that's about it!

With all these advantages that Joshua holds over Povetkin, what would it make Joshua, if he fails to beat Povetkin as convincingly and as decisively as he should, based on those advantages?

This is literally a fight between a totally undersized midget vs a giant muscular specimen, that looks almost like a different creature altogether.

What would you say, if a 30 year old adult failed to brutally defeat a 5 year old child lopsidedly inside a boxing ring in a boxing match whilst holding all the advantages?

Are you getting the picture now?

Anyone that paints this match up as anything other than a total, disgusting, gruesome, gory and a horror mismatch is attempting to brainwash you! It's like Manny Pacquiao vs Sergey Kovaev!

Taking all your points into consideration, why didn’t Price beat Povetkin then? It’s about boxing, strategy, tactics, ring IQ and styles, not statistics.

Loki wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 18:47

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 18:36

x2x wrote: ↑06 Apr 2018, 15:22


As you know, Luis, I strongly disagree! THIS is the fight I've been waiting for, not the Wilder one. Wilder has already chickened out of a fight with the Vityaz man. I don't think that Joshua will do that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUCr29sBikQ&t=90s

Watch this video and then explain to me how this fight isn't going to be a mismatch!

I agree with AJ being clear favourite... But comparing a prime, dominant, long reigning champions like Wlad and Lewis at this point in his career is foolhardy.

Moreover, maybe it’s the PEDS, but Povetkin is a better fighter now than when he fought Wlad.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 13:01

gilgamesh wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 11:53 No way Hearn would let AJ defend in Moscow. AJ is the Man in the division and if you're fighting AJ you're doing it on his terms. At least for now. Somebody is gonna have to beat him to take away that kinda edge from him. As long as he's the money man he's calling the shots.

If they can't come to terms it won't be his choice.
Purse bid could be won by Ryabinski.

But I fully expect Hearn to come up with an offer that team Povetkin will accept.
I doubt it goes to bid

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 17:54

Loki wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 18:47

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 18:36

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUCr29sBikQ&t=90s

Watch this video and then explain to me how this fight isn't going to be a mismatch!

I agree with AJ being clear favourite... But comparing a prime, dominant, long reigning champions like Wlad and Lewis at this point in his career is foolhardy.

Moreover, maybe it’s the PEDS, but Povetkin is a better fighter now than when he fought Wlad.

The point still stands though! Which is that if a tall giant super heavyweight uses the same tactics that Wladimir Klitschko used against Povetkin, then Povetkin stands almost no chance, if not no chance of winning against such an opponent.

Has Povetkin ever showed that he could deal with the tactics that Wladimir Klitschko used against him? Since Anthony Joshua could very well use this same / a similar tactic which would totally render Povetkin ineffective. Thus, this match up will be totally pointless as we would already know what would happen predictably before the fight even begins.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 11:53 No way Hearn would let AJ defend in Moscow. AJ is the Man in the division and if you're fighting AJ you're doing it on his terms. At least for now. Somebody is gonna have to beat him to take away that kinda edge from him. As long as he's the money man he's calling the shots.

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 17:51

x2x wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 23:29

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 18:36
does not necessarily beat a small
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUCr29sBikQ&t=90s

Watch this video and then explain to me how this fight isn't going to be a mismatch!

Excellent analysis in your vid about how Lewis cheated to beat Tyson and Wlad cheated in the very same way (same trainer) to beat Povetkin. Excellent vid, except the part about how Vitali "lost" to lewis! That was even much worse cheating by Lewis than he pulled on Tyson. Nothing to do with Vitali having "thin skin", which he didn't.

A tall man does not necessarily beat a shorter man. What happened was you had two crooked referees who allowed Lewis and Wlad to cheat, and a third even more crooked referee in the Lewis - Vitali fight. Really though, it's now becoming redundant and unnecessary to say "crooked referee". It's like you don't have to bother to say crooked politician. That's a given. Of course boxing judges are the same, and now boxing referees are pretty much falling into that category too. Suppose the referee permitted the shorter man to keep punching the taller man below the belt, a la Ward in Mafia City? Then the shorter man would have the big advantage. But yeah Joshua will no doubt get another ref who is, as they say in the mob, a friend of our friends, but Joshua is no Wlad or even Lewis, and hopefully Povetkin's corner will vigorously protest if and when he starts to do the leaning and grabbing thing, tho corners never seem to do that nowadays. And also hopefully Povetkin will have a counter strategy for that, like - hit him in the balls! I never had trouble with tall guys. I just punched them in the stomach tee hee!

Vitali Klitshcko generally has a skin that is more susceptible to damage than most of the other boxers. Evident, even by his other non-Lennox Lewis bouts. However, yes, you're correct in that Lewis clearly thumbed Vitali's eyes. However, Vitali was a little too foolish to have chosen to brawl with Lewis in the first place, rather than boxing him. Since he could easily have done that.

This is why as I stated, this match up is a total mismatch in whatever way I look at it. I can't see any possible way for Povetkin to win. Since this bout is already a mismatch in terms of the sheer size and strength disadvantages for Povetkin, compared to Lennox Lewis. However, add further uneven playing fields in favor of Joshua where the officials will be favoring him more, then there's literally no possible way Povetkin could win this. So if you were a betting person, I'd advice against putting your money on Povetkin to win.

Badhusker wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 19:14

gilgamesh wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 11:53 No way Hearn would let AJ defend in Moscow. AJ is the Man in the division and if you're fighting AJ you're doing it on his terms. At least for now. Somebody is gonna have to beat him to take away that kinda edge from him. As long as he's the money man he's calling the shots.

You are right about AJ not going to Moscow. He is the new Canelo as far as scorecards, and the new Ward as far as only fighting on his home turf.

Parker arrived in Britain at the weekend and trainer Kevin Barry expressed his satisfaction at the selection of officials for the bout.

We’re very happy with the officials that have been appointed," Barry told Sky Sports.

"We've got three judges - one from New Zealand, one from the UK, one from the United States.

"We've got an Italian referee. We signed off on those officials [at the beginning of March]. We're very happy with what the various sanctioning bodies have appointed for us."

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Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 17:53

asdfjkl wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 18:57

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 18:36
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUCr29sBikQ&t=90s
Watch this video and then explain to me how this fight isn't going to be a mismatch!

Explain to me how AJ vs anyone but in shape Tyson Fury isn't a mismatch

Povetkin is practically a blown up cruiser weight. There are many guys that are Joshua's own size, whom if Joshua faces, wouldn't be considered mismatches against those similar sized opponents.

Joshua vs Miller wouldn't be a mismatch. Joshua vs Luis Ortiz wouldn't be a mismatch. Joshua vs Kubrat Pulev wouldn't be a mismatch. And so forth so on!

Povetkin has no business facing elite / top level super heavyweights! Especially after his performance against Wladimir Klitschko.

Wales wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 20:06 The ref was awful. Appointed by governing bodies and only appointed after being signed off by Team Parker though

Parker arrived in Britain at the weekend and trainer Kevin Barry expressed his satisfaction at the selection of officials for the bout.

We’re very happy with the officials that have been appointed," Barry told Sky Sports.

"We've got three judges - one from New Zealand, one from the UK, one from the United States.

"We've got an Italian referee. We signed off on those officials [at the beginning of March]. We're very happy with what the various sanctioning bodies have appointed for us."

[quote/]

Yep.
Which is why Parker should fire Barry, who does not have the experience to carry Parker at the top level, and is a shister to boot.

Wales wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 20:47 When you take a step back it’s actually quite shocking how that ref was chosen for a HW unification fight , the pinnacle of the sport, then made such a huge cock and balls of it .

I know it’s easy to sit on the sofa and say I could’ve done this and that: but other Than following the correct protocol and etiquette the actual refereeing should be quite straight forward .

x2x wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 19:18

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 17:51

x2x wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 23:29

Excellent analysis in your vid about how Lewis cheated to beat Tyson and Wlad cheated in the very same way (same trainer) to beat Povetkin. Excellent vid, except the part about how Vitali "lost" to lewis! That was even much worse cheating by Lewis than he pulled on Tyson. Nothing to do with Vitali having "thin skin", which he didn't.

A tall man does not necessarily beat a shorter man. What happened was you had two crooked referees who allowed Lewis and Wlad to cheat, and a third even more crooked referee in the Lewis - Vitali fight. Really though, it's now becoming redundant and unnecessary to say "crooked referee". It's like you don't have to bother to say crooked politician. That's a given. Of course boxing judges are the same, and now boxing referees are pretty much falling into that category too. Suppose the referee permitted the shorter man to keep punching the taller man below the belt, a la Ward in Mafia City? Then the shorter man would have the big advantage. But yeah Joshua will no doubt get another ref who is, as they say in the mob, a friend of our friends, but Joshua is no Wlad or even Lewis, and hopefully Povetkin's corner will vigorously protest if and when he starts to do the leaning and grabbing thing, tho corners never seem to do that nowadays. And also hopefully Povetkin will have a counter strategy for that, like - hit him in the balls! I never had trouble with tall guys. I just punched them in the stomach tee hee!

Vitali Klitshcko generally has a skin that is more susceptible to damage than most of the other boxers. Evident, even by his other non-Lennox Lewis bouts. However, yes, you're correct in that Lewis clearly thumbed Vitali's eyes. However, Vitali was a little too foolish to have chosen to brawl with Lewis in the first place, rather than boxing him. Since he could easily have done that.

This is why as I stated, this match up is a total mismatch in whatever way I look at it. I can't see any possible way for Povetkin to win. Since this bout is already a mismatch in terms of the sheer size and strength disadvantages for Povetkin, compared to Lennox Lewis. However, add further uneven playing fields in favor of Joshua where the officials will be favoring him more, then there's literally no possible way Povetkin could win this. So if you were a betting person, I'd advice against putting your money on Povetkin to win.

"Vitali Klitshcko generally has a skin that is more susceptible to damage than most of the other boxers. "

No!!! I usually admire your posts, Luis, even tho we sometimes disagree, but you are absolutely wrong about that one! More on that later...