Miller V. Johann Duhaupas

[Mexi-Box]

Miller is the best American Heavyweight... He'll stop Duhaupas quicker than Wilder... Hate to disappoint you.

Why would you say that? Wach would've beaten him had he tried to show up in shape. Miller was horrifically bad against Wach.

Okay.... so if you're that horrifically bad a Heavyweight - but you're still 20-0 with 18 KO victories.... And you stopped former Heavyweight Title Challengers Gerald Washington and Mariusz Wach in your last 2 fights... What are you going to accomplish when when you actually start learning something about Boxing???

One thing that sets Miller back a little is his age. He's going to be 30 in 3 months... This is his 10th year as a pro so that's 2 fights a year on average... Mike Tyson fought 28 fights in his first 18 months as pro and won the Heavyweight Title... MIke fit 56 fights into his 20-year career taking 4 years off for prison... He had a couple bans from Boxing and a few idle years.

That's what you can do if you get a head start and get 30 fights in your first 2 years... You shouldn't be doing a damned thing but training and fighting... You should know what you're doing by then and making money so you can relax the pace a bit... Some of these guys are 30 to 35 years old and they're still trying learn the game because they're not getting any fights... And even a lot of guys with World Titles it seems to be difficult for them to get meaningful fights.

I don't know how you can say Miller is the best American HW, though. It's obviously Wilder if it's anyone; although, to be honest, I'm not so sure Wilder would've looked good against Wach either. Hard to really say. People are crapping themselves over Wilder, but he only has two top 10 fighters on his resume. They're also both stylistically suited to him, fat counterpunchers.

[Kalan]

Miller is fat....but he's not a counterpuncher... He's right in your face.. and he's punching your face... And he doesn't stop.

[Badhusker]

Why would you say that? Wach would've beaten him had he tried to show up in shape. Miller was horrifically bad against Wach.

Okay.... so if you're that horrifically bad a Heavyweight - but you're still 20-0 with 18 KO victories.... And you stopped former Heavyweight Title Challengers Gerald Washington and Mariusz Wach in your last 2 fights... What are you going to accomplish when when you actually start learning something about Boxing???

One thing that sets Miller back a little is his age. He's going to be 30 in 3 months... This is his 10th year as a pro so that's 2 fights a year on average... Mike Tyson fought 28 fights in his first 18 months as pro and won the Heavyweight Title... MIke fit 56 fights into his 20-year career taking 4 years off for prison... He had a couple bans from Boxing and a few idle years.

That's what you can do if you get a head start and get 30 fights in your first 2 years... You shouldn't be doing a damned thing but training and fighting... You should know what you're doing by then and making money so you can relax the pace a bit... Some of these guys are 30 to 35 years old and they're still trying learn the game because they're not getting any fights... And even a lot of guys with World Titles it seems to be difficult for them to get meaningful fights.

I don't know how you can say Miller is the best American HW, though. It's obviously Wilder if it's anyone; although, to be honest, I'm not so sure Wilder would've looked good against Wach either. Hard to really say. People are crapping themselves over Wilder, but he only has two top 10 fighters on his resume. They're also both stylistically suited to him, fat counterpunchers.

Not that his opinion holds more weight than many others, but Chris Byrd said he would rather fight Mike Tyson than Wilder, and said Wilder is not the best boxer, but one of the most dangerous heavyweight boxers in history. I would love to see Wilder vs Miller. Miller is tough, for sure and has more stamina than I thought he would have for his size.

[Wales]

One of the most dangerous boxers in HW history?

Byrd must’ve had one too many knocks to the head.

One of most dangerous HW in history who’s best win came against a 39 year old 2/1 underdog who’d fought once in 15 months .

Have a day off Chris

[Mexi-Box]

Okay.... so if you're that horrifically bad a Heavyweight - but you're still 20-0 with 18 KO victories.... And you stopped former Heavyweight Title Challengers Gerald Washington and Mariusz Wach in your last 2 fights... What are you going to accomplish when when you actually start learning something about Boxing???

One thing that sets Miller back a little is his age. He's going to be 30 in 3 months... This is his 10th year as a pro so that's 2 fights a year on average... Mike Tyson fought 28 fights in his first 18 months as pro and won the Heavyweight Title... MIke fit 56 fights into his 20-year career taking 4 years off for prison... He had a couple bans from Boxing and a few idle years.

That's what you can do if you get a head start and get 30 fights in your first 2 years... You shouldn't be doing a damned thing but training and fighting... You should know what you're doing by then and making money so you can relax the pace a bit... Some of these guys are 30 to 35 years old and they're still trying learn the game because they're not getting any fights... And even a lot of guys with World Titles it seems to be difficult for them to get meaningful fights.

I don't know how you can say Miller is the best American HW, though. It's obviously Wilder if it's anyone; although, to be honest, I'm not so sure Wilder would've looked good against Wach either. Hard to really say. People are crapping themselves over Wilder, but he only has two top 10 fighters on his resume. They're also both stylistically suited to him, fat counterpunchers.

Not that his opinion holds more weight than many others, but Chris Byrd said he would rather fight Mike Tyson than Wilder, and said Wilder is not the best boxer, but one of the most dangerous heavyweight boxers in history. I would love to see Wilder vs Miller. Miller is tough, for sure and has more stamina than I thought he would have for his size.

I just don't think Miller has anything to trouble Wilder. He has no power, and he eats shots like he eats cheesecake. An in-shape Wach would give Wilder a tougher fight than Miller, imo. I see him getting the Duhaupus treatment at the moment.

Still, it would be the first top 10 fighter Wilder would fight that wasn't a fat-counterpuncher made to order for him.

[joe strong]

I have no doubt that Miller wins, but leaving aside the ultra-short notice Povetkin debacle, Duhaupas is tough if nothing else, so for me the only thing I'm not sure about is whether Big Baby gets the job done inside the distance or not.

It's good for the division if Miller wins so I hope he does.

Wilder was also an ultra short notice fight for him.

Is that right I didn't know that. Duhaupas was impressive against Wilder but Povetkin crushed him like a roach. I know enough about Wilder to not be so foolish as to draw any conclusion from that comparison.

I really like Jarrell Miller. He's got a winner's mouth. What I mean by that is when you trash talk like he does, you'd better be able to back it up, and so far he's done just that. Stiffer tests aren't far away but he certainly doesn't appear to lack for self-belief. People look at his bulk and see a fat slob who is no threat to an athlete, but I see a relentless front foot fighter with good speed, a decent chin, and a surpringly impressive engine. He isn't the hardest of punchers but he throws a lot of them and just keeps walking you down. I can't justify ranking him above Parker, Ortiz, Povetkin, or Pulev based on achievement, but I see him as having an excellent chance against the 2018 version of any one of them, although I think the three old timers would be too much for him in their prime.

Let's not forget Duhaupas was on vacation with his wife when Team Povetkin called him. They gave him 500000 to drop everything & standby for a fight. He took that fight on a days notice & had to borrow gear for the fight. Give Duhaupas a full training camp & he is a tough fight for anyone. He stopped Helenius & handed him his first loss & he beat the WBA regular champ Manuel Charr on a few weeks notice as well. This is no gimme for Miller...

[joe strong]

Never underestimate Duhaupas. He is big & tough. He throws a lot of punches similar to Miller. He will stand in there & exchange with Miller. He can also take a punch & Miller isn't exactly a big puncher. He is a volume puncher but Duhaupas is a busy fighter too. This is a really good matchup & I say it's a 50/50 fight. Duhaupas took the Povetkin fight on a days notice. He also took the Charr fight on a few weeks notice following the close fight with Teper. This is a WBA eliminator & Duhaupas is getting a full training camp in. Miller should not look past him...

[Mexi-Box]

Never underestimate Duhaupas. He is big & tough. He throws a lot of punches similar to Miller. He will stand in there & exchange with Miller. He can also take a punch & Miller isn't exactly a big puncher. He is a volume puncher but Duhaupas is a busy fighter too. This is a really good matchup & I say it's a 50/50 fight. Duhaupas took the Povetkin fight on a days notice. He also took the Charr fight on a few weeks notice following the close fight with Teper. This is a WBA eliminator & Duhaupas is getting a full training camp in. Miller should not look past him...

Povetkin crushed Charr like a roach too. Wilder made Duhaupus look good because he's shiite. Povetkin would've done that to any version. Duhaupus is big, but he eats punches regularly. Now, Miller is a different story. I don't think Miller is on a high level, and I do think Duhaupus will give him trouble. I'm just not sure if Duhaupus is all there given what Povetkin did to him.

[SenorPipino]

One of the most dangerous boxers in HW history?

Byrd must’ve had one too many knocks to the head.

One of most dangerous HW in history who’s best win came against a 39 year old 2/1 underdog who’d fought once in 15 months .

Have a day off Chris

So now in revisionism, Ortiz was a piece of garbage. Even though pre-fight, many thought that the unbeaten Cuban would hand Wilder his head.

Naw, Wilder's not dangerous. His right hand is merely an illusion.

Have a day off Wales.

[Mexi-Box]

One of the most dangerous boxers in HW history?

Byrd must’ve had one too many knocks to the head.

One of most dangerous HW in history who’s best win came against a 39 year old 2/1 underdog who’d fought once in 15 months .

Have a day off Chris

So now in revisionism, Ortiz was a piece of garbage. Even though pre-fight, many thought that the unbeaten Cuban would hand Wilder his head.

Naw, Wilder's not dangerous. His right hand is merely an illusion.

Have a day off Wales.

It's not revisionist. Ortiz's dreadful performances were out there for all to see going into the Wilder fight. Wilder was the favorite going into the fight and only people who hadn't watched Ortiz's fights after Jennings thought he stood a chance.

[SenorPipino]

Plenty people thought Ortiz could beat Wilder.

But bettors usually know better.

Yes, suddenly demeaning Ortiz' ability smacks of revisionist spin...especially if you have an anti-Wilder agenda.

[Wales]

It’s nothing to do with an anti-wilder agenda

The guy was 39, hadn’t been in the ring for 15 months and his last performances he looked piss poor. He’s been banned once for steroids and failed a test before the wilder fight

He signed with Eddie Hearn and fought in the U.K. clearly Hearn was hoping he’d look electric so he could build him up. I’ll give him a pass on the Malik Scott performance because Scott just ran all night, but he really didn’t light the place up against 9-1 Dave Allen who will do bloody well to win a British title.

The original point was how can Wilder be one of most dangerous HWs in history. It’s a ridiculous thing to say

Just my opinion

[KiwiRider]

One of the most dangerous boxers in HW history?

Byrd must’ve had one too many knocks to the head.

One of most dangerous HW in history who’s best win came against a 39 year old 2/1 underdog who’d fought once in 15 months .

Have a day off Chris

So now in revisionism, Ortiz was a piece of garbage. Even though pre-fight, many thought that the unbeaten Cuban would hand Wilder his head.

Naw, Wilder's not dangerous. His right hand is merely an illusion.

Have a day off Wales.

It's not revisionist. Ortiz's dreadful performances were out there for all to see going into the Wilder fight. Wilder was the favorite going into the fight and only people who hadn't watched Ortiz's fights after Jennings thought he stood a chance.

Good call Mexi
You can have a day off too.

[jamamb]

the spin didnt happen after wilder beat ortiz, it happen when the fight was signed, it was then that suddenly ppl acted like ortiz was awful. its true ortizs stock dropped from the scott and allen fights, but still he was considered better then he was when wilder got signed.

granted ortiz is no super star, but imo hes still top 5 when wilder beat him. its still a very good win for todays division.

[Wales]

the spin didnt happen after wilder beat ortiz, it happen when the fight was signed, it was then that suddenly ppl acted like ortiz was awful. its true ortizs stock dropped from the scott and allen fights, but still he was considered better then he was when wilder got signed.

granted ortiz is no super star, but imo hes still top 5 when wilder beat him. its still a very good win for todays division.

Million percent . In the current climate a solid win: not a win that makes you the most dangerous heavyweight boxer in history though

[jamamb]

well i dont think wilder is even close to an atg heavyweight, but just in terms of power i think he ranks highly, even on a historical basis. maybe thats what byrd meant.

[Ilya Muromets]

One of the most dangerous boxers in HW history?

Byrd must’ve had one too many knocks to the head.

One of most dangerous HW in history who’s best win came against a 39 year old 2/1 underdog who’d fought once in 15 months .

Have a day off Chris

So now in revisionism, Ortiz was a piece of garbage. Even though pre-fight, many thought that the unbeaten Cuban would hand Wilder his head.

Naw, Wilder's not dangerous. His right hand is merely an illusion.

Have a day off Wales.

It's not revisionist. Ortiz's dreadful performances were out there for all to see going into the Wilder fight. Wilder was the favorite going into the fight and only people who hadn't watched Ortiz's fights after Jennings thought he stood a chance.

I don't consider Wilder's win over Ortiz legitimate because the bought referee jumped in to save him when he was about to be KO'd by Ortiz and gave him precious time to recover under the pretense of giving him a medical checkup. I've never seen anything like that even in the rotten corrupt world of pro boxing.

[jamamb]

give it a rest mate, ortiz got dropped 3x and stopped, yes wilder was hurt but he showed good recovery and heart. the doctor gave wilder a very quick check and that was it. if it was the ortiz getting that check im sure youd be moaning about how they were trying to get the fight stopped and award wilder a win

[asdfjkl]

Duhaupas will be in the shape of his life, but still stand no chance against Miller. There's a reason Wilder runs away scared for Miller all his carreer and it got nothing to do with his wife or the runours around her.

[Ilya Muromets]

give it a rest mate, ortiz got dropped 3x and stopped, yes wilder was hurt but he showed good recovery and heart. the doctor gave wilder a very quick check and that was it. if it was the ortiz getting that check im sure youd be moaning about how they were trying to get the fight stopped and award wilder a win

Ridiculous. The ref doesn't jump in at a critical moment during a round when one fighter is suddenly in trouble and rubber legged... to give him a medical checkup to make sure he's OK! That's the whole object of boxing, to do that to your oponent! That's totally indefensible. That's crazy. How can you defend that? Imagine if refs gotin the habit of doing that when every fighter got hit hard and wobbled!

[candyslim]

Wilder was also an ultra short notice fight for him.

Is that right I didn't know that. Duhaupas was impressive against Wilder but Povetkin crushed him like a roach. I know enough about Wilder to not be so foolish as to draw any conclusion from that comparison.

I really like Jarrell Miller. He's got a winner's mouth. What I mean by that is when you trash talk like he does, you'd better be able to back it up, and so far he's done just that. Stiffer tests aren't far away but he certainly doesn't appear to lack for self-belief. People look at his bulk and see a fat slob who is no threat to an athlete, but I see a relentless front foot fighter with good speed, a decent chin, and a surpringly impressive engine. He isn't the hardest of punchers but he throws a lot of them and just keeps walking you down. I can't justify ranking him above Parker, Ortiz, Povetkin, or Pulev based on achievement, but I see him as having an excellent chance against the 2018 version of any one of them, although I think the three old timers would be too much for him in their prime.

Let's not forget Duhaupas was on vacation with his wife when Team Povetkin called him. They gave him 500000 to drop everything & standby for a fight. He took that fight on a days notice & had to borrow gear for the fight. Give Duhaupas a full training camp & he is a tough fight for anyone. He stopped Helenius & handed him his first loss & he beat the WBA regular champ Manuel Charr on a few weeks notice as well. This is no gimme for Miller...

Well Joe, I did say in my original post "leaving aside the ultra-short notice Povetkin debacle" because I didn't think it was fair to judge him solely on that performance, and I did go on to credit Duhaupas for being tough.

Having said that I don't see it as 50/50. I wouldn't call it a gimme but I would be extremely surprised if he manages to derail Miller. We shall have to wait and see if I'm right.

[SenorPipino]

50/50?

You can only pray for those kind of juicy odds.

Big Baby Miller is officially a heavy 10-1 favorite.

[tiny_acres]

50/50?

You can only pray for those kind of juicy odds.

Big Baby Miller is officially a heavy 10-1 favorite.

Seems about right. Miller should be a large favorite

[SenorPipino]

I can't see a scenario where he loses.

[Badhusker]

well i dont think wilder is even close to an atg heavyweight, but just in terms of power i think he ranks highly, even on a historical basis. maybe thats what byrd meant.

Byrd mentioned how big he is, and how he could easily reach you compared to someone like Tyson, who had to get in close. Him saying he would rather fight Tyson instead of Wilder had a lot to do with his height, reach, and reckless style. Not many people question his freakish power.