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Kalan wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 03:19

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 00:00

Kalan wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 23:28

Miller is the best American Heavyweight... He'll stop Duhaupas quicker than Wilder... Hate to disappoint you.

Why would you say that? Wach would've beaten him had he tried to show up in shape. Miller was horrifically bad against Wach.

Okay.... so if you're that horrifically bad a Heavyweight - but you're still 20-0 with 18 KO victories.... And you stopped former Heavyweight Title Challengers Gerald Washington and Mariusz Wach in your last 2 fights... What are you going to accomplish when when you actually start learning something about Boxing???

One thing that sets Miller back a little is his age. He's going to be 30 in 3 months... This is his 10th year as a pro so that's 2 fights a year on average... Mike Tyson fought 28 fights in his first 18 months as pro and won the Heavyweight Title... MIke fit 56 fights into his 20-year career taking 4 years off for prison... He had a couple bans from Boxing and a few idle years.

That's what you can do if you get a head start and get 30 fights in your first 2 years... You shouldn't be doing a damned thing but training and fighting... You should know what you're doing by then and making money so you can relax the pace a bit... Some of these guys are 30 to 35 years old and they're still trying learn the game because they're not getting any fights... And even a lot of guys with World Titles it seems to be difficult for them to get meaningful fights.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 11:41

Kalan wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 03:19

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 00:00

Why would you say that? Wach would've beaten him had he tried to show up in shape. Miller was horrifically bad against Wach.

Okay.... so if you're that horrifically bad a Heavyweight - but you're still 20-0 with 18 KO victories.... And you stopped former Heavyweight Title Challengers Gerald Washington and Mariusz Wach in your last 2 fights... What are you going to accomplish when when you actually start learning something about Boxing???

One thing that sets Miller back a little is his age. He's going to be 30 in 3 months... This is his 10th year as a pro so that's 2 fights a year on average... Mike Tyson fought 28 fights in his first 18 months as pro and won the Heavyweight Title... MIke fit 56 fights into his 20-year career taking 4 years off for prison... He had a couple bans from Boxing and a few idle years.

That's what you can do if you get a head start and get 30 fights in your first 2 years... You shouldn't be doing a damned thing but training and fighting... You should know what you're doing by then and making money so you can relax the pace a bit... Some of these guys are 30 to 35 years old and they're still trying learn the game because they're not getting any fights... And even a lot of guys with World Titles it seems to be difficult for them to get meaningful fights.

I don't know how you can say Miller is the best American HW, though. It's obviously Wilder if it's anyone; although, to be honest, I'm not so sure Wilder would've looked good against Wach either. Hard to really say. People are crapping themselves over Wilder, but he only has two top 10 fighters on his resume. They're also both stylistically suited to him, fat counterpunchers.

Badhusker wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 19:24

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 11:41

Kalan wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 03:19

Okay.... so if you're that horrifically bad a Heavyweight - but you're still 20-0 with 18 KO victories.... And you stopped former Heavyweight Title Challengers Gerald Washington and Mariusz Wach in your last 2 fights... What are you going to accomplish when when you actually start learning something about Boxing???

One thing that sets Miller back a little is his age. He's going to be 30 in 3 months... This is his 10th year as a pro so that's 2 fights a year on average... Mike Tyson fought 28 fights in his first 18 months as pro and won the Heavyweight Title... MIke fit 56 fights into his 20-year career taking 4 years off for prison... He had a couple bans from Boxing and a few idle years.

That's what you can do if you get a head start and get 30 fights in your first 2 years... You shouldn't be doing a damned thing but training and fighting... You should know what you're doing by then and making money so you can relax the pace a bit... Some of these guys are 30 to 35 years old and they're still trying learn the game because they're not getting any fights... And even a lot of guys with World Titles it seems to be difficult for them to get meaningful fights.

I don't know how you can say Miller is the best American HW, though. It's obviously Wilder if it's anyone; although, to be honest, I'm not so sure Wilder would've looked good against Wach either. Hard to really say. People are crapping themselves over Wilder, but he only has two top 10 fighters on his resume. They're also both stylistically suited to him, fat counterpunchers.

Not that his opinion holds more weight than many others, but Chris Byrd said he would rather fight Mike Tyson than Wilder, and said Wilder is not the best boxer, but one of the most dangerous heavyweight boxers in history. I would love to see Wilder vs Miller. Miller is tough, for sure and has more stamina than I thought he would have for his size.

candyslim wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 06:41

x2x wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 23:49

candyslim wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 13:53 I have no doubt that Miller wins, but leaving aside the ultra-short notice Povetkin debacle, Duhaupas is tough if nothing else, so for me the only thing I'm not sure about is whether Big Baby gets the job done inside the distance or not.

It's good for the division if Miller wins so I hope he does.

Wilder was also an ultra short notice fight for him.

Is that right I didn't know that. Duhaupas was impressive against Wilder but Povetkin crushed him like a roach. I know enough about Wilder to not be so foolish as to draw any conclusion from that comparison.

I really like Jarrell Miller. He's got a winner's mouth. What I mean by that is when you trash talk like he does, you'd better be able to back it up, and so far he's done just that. Stiffer tests aren't far away but he certainly doesn't appear to lack for self-belief. People look at his bulk and see a fat slob who is no threat to an athlete, but I see a relentless front foot fighter with good speed, a decent chin, and a surpringly impressive engine. He isn't the hardest of punchers but he throws a lot of them and just keeps walking you down. I can't justify ranking him above Parker, Ortiz, Povetkin, or Pulev based on achievement, but I see him as having an excellent chance against the 2018 version of any one of them, although I think the three old timers would be too much for him in their prime.

joe strong wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 20:06 Never underestimate Duhaupas. He is big & tough. He throws a lot of punches similar to Miller. He will stand in there & exchange with Miller. He can also take a punch & Miller isn't exactly a big puncher. He is a volume puncher but Duhaupas is a busy fighter too. This is a really good matchup & I say it's a 50/50 fight. Duhaupas took the Povetkin fight on a days notice. He also took the Charr fight on a few weeks notice following the close fight with Teper. This is a WBA eliminator & Duhaupas is getting a full training camp in. Miller should not look past him...

Wales wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 19:44 One of the most dangerous boxers in HW history?

Byrd must’ve had one too many knocks to the head.

One of most dangerous HW in history who’s best win came against a 39 year old 2/1 underdog who’d fought once in 15 months .

Have a day off Chris

SenorPipino wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 23:02

Wales wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 19:44 One of the most dangerous boxers in HW history?

Byrd must’ve had one too many knocks to the head.

One of most dangerous HW in history who’s best win came against a 39 year old 2/1 underdog who’d fought once in 15 months .

Have a day off Chris

So now in revisionism, Ortiz was a piece of garbage. Even though pre-fight, many thought that the unbeaten Cuban would hand Wilder his head.

Naw, Wilder's not dangerous. His right hand is merely an illusion.

Have a day off Wales.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 23:16

SenorPipino wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 23:02

Wales wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 19:44 One of the most dangerous boxers in HW history?

Byrd must’ve had one too many knocks to the head.

One of most dangerous HW in history who’s best win came against a 39 year old 2/1 underdog who’d fought once in 15 months .

Have a day off Chris

So now in revisionism, Ortiz was a piece of garbage. Even though pre-fight, many thought that the unbeaten Cuban would hand Wilder his head.

Naw, Wilder's not dangerous. His right hand is merely an illusion.

Have a day off Wales.

It's not revisionist. Ortiz's dreadful performances were out there for all to see going into the Wilder fight. Wilder was the favorite going into the fight and only people who hadn't watched Ortiz's fights after Jennings thought he stood a chance.

jamamb wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 23:49 the spin didnt happen after wilder beat ortiz, it happen when the fight was signed, it was then that suddenly ppl acted like ortiz was awful. its true ortizs stock dropped from the scott and allen fights, but still he was considered better then he was when wilder got signed.

granted ortiz is no super star, but imo hes still top 5 when wilder beat him. its still a very good win for todays division.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 23:16

SenorPipino wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 23:02

Wales wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 19:44 One of the most dangerous boxers in HW history?

Byrd must’ve had one too many knocks to the head.

One of most dangerous HW in history who’s best win came against a 39 year old 2/1 underdog who’d fought once in 15 months .

Have a day off Chris

So now in revisionism, Ortiz was a piece of garbage. Even though pre-fight, many thought that the unbeaten Cuban would hand Wilder his head.

Naw, Wilder's not dangerous. His right hand is merely an illusion.

Have a day off Wales.

It's not revisionist. Ortiz's dreadful performances were out there for all to see going into the Wilder fight. Wilder was the favorite going into the fight and only people who hadn't watched Ortiz's fights after Jennings thought he stood a chance.

jamamb wrote: ↑09 Apr 2018, 00:48 give it a rest mate, ortiz got dropped 3x and stopped, yes wilder was hurt but he showed good recovery and heart. the doctor gave wilder a very quick check and that was it. if it was the ortiz getting that check im sure youd be moaning about how they were trying to get the fight stopped and award wilder a win

joe strong wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 20:02

candyslim wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 06:41

x2x wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 23:49


Wilder was also an ultra short notice fight for him.

Is that right I didn't know that. Duhaupas was impressive against Wilder but Povetkin crushed him like a roach. I know enough about Wilder to not be so foolish as to draw any conclusion from that comparison.

I really like Jarrell Miller. He's got a winner's mouth. What I mean by that is when you trash talk like he does, you'd better be able to back it up, and so far he's done just that. Stiffer tests aren't far away but he certainly doesn't appear to lack for self-belief. People look at his bulk and see a fat slob who is no threat to an athlete, but I see a relentless front foot fighter with good speed, a decent chin, and a surpringly impressive engine. He isn't the hardest of punchers but he throws a lot of them and just keeps walking you down. I can't justify ranking him above Parker, Ortiz, Povetkin, or Pulev based on achievement, but I see him as having an excellent chance against the 2018 version of any one of them, although I think the three old timers would be too much for him in their prime.

Let's not forget Duhaupas was on vacation with his wife when Team Povetkin called him. They gave him 500000 to drop everything & standby for a fight. He took that fight on a days notice & had to borrow gear for the fight. Give Duhaupas a full training camp & he is a tough fight for anyone. He stopped Helenius & handed him his first loss & he beat the WBA regular champ Manuel Charr on a few weeks notice as well. This is no gimme for Miller...

SenorPipino wrote: ↑09 Apr 2018, 22:22 50/50?

You can only pray for those kind of juicy odds.

Big Baby Miller is officially a heavy 10-1 favorite.

jamamb wrote: ↑09 Apr 2018, 00:13 well i dont think wilder is even close to an atg heavyweight, but just in terms of power i think he ranks highly, even on a historical basis. maybe thats what byrd meant.