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keirw wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 12:36

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 11:52 Hurd controlled the ring. He was the better ring general and outworked Lara. The commentary was completely biased in Lara's favor. They kept saying Lara was scoring when punches were hitting Hurd's gloves.

I didn't hear any of the commentary, but I could tell throughout that Lara landed the better shots in most rounds, he was also far more accurate.

The rounds that Hurd won had little to do with ring generalship and everything to do with aggression and workrate.

Their is nothing wrong with that, but let's not make out it was a boxing masterclass from Hurd.

His accuracy was poor but he got away with it because he threw so many punches and because he was tough enough and fit enough to walk through Lara's counters and fight on the front foot all 12 rounds.

As I said though, it was a very good fight and I would be more than happy to watch a rematch.

So Hurd controlling the ring and having Lara shelling up on the ropes had little to do with his success? OMFG, this board is completely full of idiots.

I don't know why the hell I post here.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 12:57

keirw wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 12:36

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 11:52 Hurd controlled the ring. He was the better ring general and outworked Lara. The commentary was completely biased in Lara's favor. They kept saying Lara was scoring when punches were hitting Hurd's gloves.

I didn't hear any of the commentary, but I could tell throughout that Lara landed the better shots in most rounds, he was also far more accurate.

The rounds that Hurd won had little to do with ring generalship and everything to do with aggression and workrate.

Their is nothing wrong with that, but let's not make out it was a boxing masterclass from Hurd.

His accuracy was poor but he got away with it because he threw so many punches and because he was tough enough and fit enough to walk through Lara's counters and fight on the front foot all 12 rounds.

As I said though, it was a very good fight and I would be more than happy to watch a rematch.

So Hurd controlling the ring and having Lara shelling up on the ropes had little to do with his success? OMFG, this board is completely full of idiots.

I don't know why the hell I post here.

Mexi-Box, Hurd did not destroy Lara, it was a close fight, definitely.

ValMar wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 12:37

gilgamesh wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 12:29

ValMar wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 12:25
You might be right, but I would like to see the rematch.

It's probably as good a fight that can be made at 154 still so I'd be down for a rematch.

Though Hurd vs Jermell Charlo obviously is equally as good if not more so.

Yes....
I doubt that Hurd can make weight for LMW considering long-term plans, I wouldn't predict more than two matches in this division....And, competition at MW is very, very strong......

Ditto. I just said earlier on TTR that I figured Hurd would only have 1 or 2 more matches at 154 tops. He's enormous for the weight. Just can't imagine he'd be able to stay there much longer.

The first person he should target at 160 is Billy Joe Saunders, because his style is best suited for him.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 13:03

ValMar wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 12:37

gilgamesh wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 12:29

It's probably as good a fight that can be made at 154 still so I'd be down for a rematch.

Though Hurd vs Jermell Charlo obviously is equally as good if not more so.

Yes....
I doubt that Hurd can make weight for LMW considering long-term plans, I wouldn't predict more than two matches in this division....And, competition at MW is very, very strong......

Ditto. I just said earlier on TTR that I figured Hurd would only have 1 or 2 more matches at 154 tops. He's enormous for the weight. Just can't imagine he'd be able to stay there much longer.

The first person he should target at 160 is Billy Joe Saunders, because his style is best suited for him.

......and an old GGG waiting for his retirement pay-day..........

Yeah, but GGG is a different kinda fighter. Obviously being a boxer-mover don't work against Hurd, because he's just gonna keep on coming and chopping your ass down.

But what about when another Train meets him head on and tries to knock him out? Nobody's tried that yet. GGG would.

EDIT: For the record I ain't saying GGG WOULD knock out Hurd. I'm just saying he'd fight him differently than Trout and Lara or BJS or Jermell Charlo would. He'd be a different animal.

That being said if it doesn't happen for another year or two while Hurd is fighting all those other guys, that's advantage Hurd.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 13:10 Yeah, but GGG is a different kinda fighter. Obviously being a boxer-mover don't work against Hurd, because he's just gonna keep on coming and chopping your ass down.

But what about when another Train meets him head on and tries to knock him out? Nobody's tried that yet. GGG would.

Hurd is on the top, this is good for boxing, generally speaking (including us, the real boxing fans). His style is pretty fan-friendly and I hope he will attract the new generations of fans.
Again (I know I am boring, but.....) it seems to me that he is a natural LHW, I am not joking, at all.............

ValMar wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 13:17

gilgamesh wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 13:10 Yeah, but GGG is a different kinda fighter. Obviously being a boxer-mover don't work against Hurd, because he's just gonna keep on coming and chopping your ass down.

But what about when another Train meets him head on and tries to knock him out? Nobody's tried that yet. GGG would.

Hurd is on the top, this is good for boxing, generally speaking (including us, the real boxing fans). His style is pretty fan-friendly and I hope he will attract the new generations of fans.
Again (I know I am boring, but.....) it seems to me that he is a natural LHW, I am not joking, at all.............

He's definitely a natural Super Middle at the very least. I'll bet it kills him to make 154. Only a young man can do that kinda sh*t too, so he ain't gonna be able to do it long or want to either for that matter given that he's already pretty well established himself as the man to beat at the weight anyway.

Hurd demonstrated what Golovkin would do to Lara if they ever met. With Hurd being as hittable as Golovkin, I have Gennady stopping him at this time. With fare judjing, Hurd's workrate should get him a win against Canelo. Jacobs would be an interesting fight.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 12:32

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 12:02

caldo2025 wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 10:36 So what do you think Lara did to win these rounds that you gave him? Was it the way he languished on the ropes every round taking punishment? Being out-thrown every round and out-hustled? Lara did have cleaner punches when they landed but that's only part of the scoring. Lara showed a huge set of nuggets last night though I thought he got beaten up badly. Really really badly. Lara will never be same...that's a beating.

Counter punching, movement, combinations.. Most rounds were close, so it wasn't the easiest fight to score.

Hurd might have thrown a lot.. But he also missed an awful lot as well.

Pinch stats has Hurd connecting on 27% of his punches.

Lara had a 26% connect percentage.

So if Hurd missed a lot, so did Lara.

Interesting in that Hurd had a reputation of being easy to hit. But in terms of percentages, Lara was just as easy a target as Hurd.

Punch Stats

PUNCHES----HURD----LARA
Landed-------217------176
Thrown------824------572
Percent------26%------31%

As you can see,

Over the final four rounds
Hurd outlanded Lara 106-71,
including 96-58 in power shots.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 12:57

keirw wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 12:36

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 11:52 Hurd controlled the ring. He was the better ring general and outworked Lara. The commentary was completely biased in Lara's favor. They kept saying Lara was scoring when punches were hitting Hurd's gloves.

I didn't hear any of the commentary, but I could tell throughout that Lara landed the better shots in most rounds, he was also far more accurate.

The rounds that Hurd won had little to do with ring generalship and everything to do with aggression and workrate.

Their is nothing wrong with that, but let's not make out it was a boxing masterclass from Hurd.

His accuracy was poor but he got away with it because he threw so many punches and because he was tough enough and fit enough to walk through Lara's counters and fight on the front foot all 12 rounds.

As I said though, it was a very good fight and I would be more than happy to watch a rematch.

So Hurd controlling the ring and having Lara shelling up on the ropes had little to do with his success? OMFG, this board is completely full of idiots.

I don't know why the hell I post here.

Well, feel free to fornicate off any time you want, gobshite.

ValMar wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 13:03

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 12:57

keirw wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 12:36
I didn't hear any of the commentary, but I could tell throughout that Lara landed the better shots in most rounds, he was also far more accurate.

The rounds that Hurd won had little to do with ring generalship and everything to do with aggression and workrate.

Their is nothing wrong with that, but let's not make out it was a boxing masterclass from Hurd.

His accuracy was poor but he got away with it because he threw so many punches and because he was tough enough and fit enough to walk through Lara's counters and fight on the front foot all 12 rounds.

As I said though, it was a very good fight and I would be more than happy to watch a rematch.

So Hurd controlling the ring and having Lara shelling up on the ropes had little to do with his success? OMFG, this board is completely full of idiots.

I don't know why the hell I post here.

Mexi-Box, Hurd did not destroy Lara, it was a close fight, definitely.

You didn't read my post. Seriously, this place...

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 14:10

ValMar wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 13:03

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 12:57

So Hurd controlling the ring and having Lara shelling up on the ropes had little to do with his success? OMFG, this board is completely full of idiots.

I don't know why the hell I post here.

Mexi-Box, Hurd did not destroy Lara, it was a close fight, definitely.

You didn't read my post. Seriously, this place...

Yes, I did.......

I scored the fight 116-111 for Hurd, some close rounds were difficult to score, however

gilgamesh wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 13:03The first person he should target at 160 is Billy Joe Saunders, because his style is best suited for him.

The amount of talent that Saunders possesses is extremely underrated. He is an extremely intelligent and gifted fighter, but he has under-performed due to his fitness levels. However, now that he’s joined Dominic Ingle’s gym in Sheffield, which is tailor made for his fighting style, I can’t help thinking that we’ve not yet seen the very best the Brit is capable of offering. He's also very big for the 160lbs limit.

At some point or other, Canelo Alvarez, Gennady Golovkin, David Lemieux, Gabriel Rosado and Eubank Jr. have all previously declined guaranteed opportunities to face Saunders, with the Brit having already accepted the terms proposed to him, whilst others, such as Avtandil Khurtsidze, have actually preferred to take step-aside money rather than face him.

Even Demetrius Andrade has recently expressed his own disinterest in facing the Brit, stating that he’s not yet big enough.

Danny Jacobs even stated his preference to challenge for one of the 168lbs titles rather than to orchestrating an opportunity to earn his way to become Saunders’ mandatory challenger for his WBO title.

Simply put: Saunders is a high-risk, low return, type fighter and his rivals don’t want to fight him, because it doesn’t make any business sense to jeopardise their future earnings potential by facing an opponent that they may lose to for peanuts.

I definitely think Saunders is a legitimately skilled guy, and I'm not suggesting he'd be an easy night for Hurd, I just think that stylistically it's the best matchup Hurd could have at 160 against any of the current names at least.

I'm sure he could enter the division against a lesser opponent altogether, but I mean once you've already been a World Champion I wuoldn't think you're wanting to waste your time too with fairly meaningless matchups.

Saunders is more of a boxer-mover than a puncher so I think Hurd would POSSIBLY be able to wear him down like he did Lara and Trout, but obviously against a bigger man it may be harder.

Guys like Jacobs and GGG would be more of a threat of meeting Hurd head on and possibly knocking him out I think. It'll be interesting to see what happens when he meets another fighter that's just gonna meet him head on, and has the style for it.

I had it 115-113 for Hurd. One even round.

I picked Hurd to win close on points in PTBF.

I was expecting Lara to do better of the two but to still loose it officially. I was expecting pretty close fight.

I am clad to be wrong this time... Hurd took deserved win in this one

Also Lara fight that was not boring

I liked Lara's work better. But scoring the fight fairly I think Hurd took the fight in the 12th round with the KD. Lara looked like a fading fighter to me, a few years ago I think he would have been able to control the fight from the outside and comfortably out box Hurd. It was a good fight, I don't really care to see a rematch, Hurd is ridiculously large for 154, never seen anything like it.

It was really hard fight to score. Hurd was out landing Lara by mile but most of the punches were short and quite weak. Many arm punches. Most of the quality shots came from Lara. Comes down on which you like more. Many smaller hits or few good clean shots.

Hurds crazy long reach makes him hard to fight. He is hard to outbox from the outside and when inside its really hard to get out beyond hes reach. Lara was pretty much forced to fight up close which is not really hes style.

I see Hurd giving all sorts of problems to Canelo and Saunders. I hope we will see those fights in the future.

I think GGG would be too much for him. You don't want to trade punch for punch against him

Hurd would not outmuscle Canelo.

He wouldn't cut off the ring and catch Saunders like he did an aging, weaker Lara.

Just because he looks like a big guy, it doesn't mean that he would acclimate well at middleweight.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 18:26 Hurd would not outmuscle Canelo.

He wouldn't cut off the ring and catch Saunders like he did an aging, weaker Lara.

Just because he looks like a big guy, it doesn't mean that he would acclimate well at middleweight.

Don't start this garbage, please.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 18:26 Hurd would not outmuscle Canelo.

I think Hurd will outwork/outland Canelo to win a decision provided judges don't favor Canelo too much.

Anyway, they are both young. So, if Canelo doesn't get a permanent ban for repeated use of PEDs and nothing bad happens with Hurd, they should eventually fight, so we shall see.

Close fight that reasonably could have been scored for either fighter.

The knockdown won it for Hurd 114-113.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 19:48

SenorPipino wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 18:26 Hurd would not outmuscle Canelo.

He wouldn't cut off the ring and catch Saunders like he did an aging, weaker Lara.

Just because he looks like a big guy, it doesn't mean that he would acclimate well at middleweight.

Don't start this garbage, please.

Senior is the poster that refused to consider age as a factor in the lead up to golovkin Canelo 1. Pathetic double standards.

lazboy wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 21:00

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 19:48

SenorPipino wrote: ↑08 Apr 2018, 18:26 Hurd would not outmuscle Canelo.

He wouldn't cut off the ring and catch Saunders like he did an aging, weaker Lara.

Just because he looks like a big guy, it doesn't mean that he would acclimate well at middleweight.

Don't start this garbage, please.

Senior is the poster that refused to consider age as a factor in the lead up to golovkin Canelo 1. Pathetic double standards.

Wow, what a garbage poster. Thanks for the heads up.

Watched it again with no interruptions.
Rd 1 close but goes to Lara
Rd 2 could go either way
Rd 3 Hurd clear
Rd 4 Hurd clear
Rd 5 better round for Lara but he still loses it (Hurd)
Rd 6 close Hurd
Rd 7 good round for Lara but he also gets rattled last second with a big Hurd right (Lara)
Rd 8 close rd but give it to Hurd as he’s ragdoling Lara
Rd 9 Lara has his moments but it goes to Hurd
Rd 10 Lara’s best rd (Lara)
Rd 11 very close rd. Could be even or slightly to Lara.
Rd 12 Hurd puts an absolute beating on Lara this round and also gets a kd. (Hurd)

Lara won 4 or 5 rounds is the way I saw it.

So no one gets offended; Body shots are meaningful to me, punching someone through their guard (where you can see it has effect) is meaningful to me. Sometimes it’s as simple as outworking someone, which is what Hurd did although there’s more to him than that. He is a monster. A nightmare to fight. I’m a big fan now however....he was clearly much bigger then Lara and trout which is unfair. Needs to be said. I think he’s also open to a right hook which Lara had some success with but not enough.