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Evander wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 22:22 Sounds like a low offer I'll be surprised if Wilder takes it.

jamamb wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 22:41

armageto wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 22:38

jamamb wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 22:17
again, wilder gets paid in dollars and not percents. he makes like 1-2m per fight. the idea that somehow he needs to be STARTED out at like 25m is crazy. 'pretty neutral' lmao

I am guessing this is directed towards me. I actually favor AJ in the fight still, though it has narrowed over the past year. There is no way, any champ in their right mind, is taking 10%. On top of that with no date or venue of the fight. Yeah, Wilder makes only a few million per fight. However him and Joshua is to unify all the belts and the biggest fight to make in the division in years. It's also the biggest fight to make in the sport right now.

The PPV sale expectations in the US seem off for right now, but there is no date for the fight. Say this fight happens in a year, with more exposure on it. I could see it reaching a million PPV sales here.

It's a bad offer. This has nothing with being pro Wilder or AJ. From the US or UK. Wilder brings himself to the fight. Which makes it the biggest HW fight in YEARS. He deserves more than 10%.

okay, so you think a fair amount for wilder would be more like 35 million?

armageto wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 22:43 Also, I didn't suggest AJ was ducking. I said exactly what happened. His team didn't make a serious offer to get this fight off the ground. It's as simple as that.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 22:43

jamamb wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 22:41

armageto wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 22:38

I am guessing this is directed towards me. I actually favor AJ in the fight still, though it has narrowed over the past year. There is no way, any champ in their right mind, is taking 10%. On top of that with no date or venue of the fight. Yeah, Wilder makes only a few million per fight. However him and Joshua is to unify all the belts and the biggest fight to make in the division in years. It's also the biggest fight to make in the sport right now.

The PPV sale expectations in the US seem off for right now, but there is no date for the fight. Say this fight happens in a year, with more exposure on it. I could see it reaching a million PPV sales here.

It's a bad offer. This has nothing with being pro Wilder or AJ. From the US or UK. Wilder brings himself to the fight. Which makes it the biggest HW fight in YEARS. He deserves more than 10%.

okay, so you think a fair amount for wilder would be more like 35 million?

I think a fair reasonable offer is 35% no matter how large the purse is.

armageto wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 22:45

tiny_acres wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 22:43

jamamb wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 22:41

okay, so you think a fair amount for wilder would be more like 35 million?

I think a fair reasonable offer is 35% no matter how large the purse is.

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jamamb wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 22:46 okay, i see, so if the total pot is actually like 50m then around 16-17m for wilders fair?

then it comes down to what the total pot is, and frankly i think some of the figures thrown out are laughably inflated

tiny_acres wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 22:23

Evander wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 22:22 Sounds like a low offer I'll be surprised if Wilder takes it.

No way do they take it

jamamb wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 22:46 okay, i see, so if the total pot is actually like 50m then around 16-17m for wilders fair?

then it comes down to what the total pot is, and frankly i think some of the figures thrown out are laughably inflated

jamamb wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 22:34

Evander wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 22:31

jamamb wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 22:24 surely then wilder must be the worst managed boxer in history if hes this incrediblely massive draw but has only been making like 1m a fight

i mean, wlad made 10m even vs bums and packed stadiums, and he got like 20m vs aj. whereras wilder deserves a MINIMUM starting offer of millions more then that, even though he brings in like 1m a fight?

who has been robbing wilder?

Can you provide proof of that please, thanks in advance.

proof of what? for wlads financial power just do a quick google, all sorts of numbers out there. the guy made millions and millions even vs nobodies, and then got 15-20m for aj. whereas wilder makes like 1m yet some people think he deserves to fetch 25m as a minimum starting offer to be increased. just look up

armageto wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 22:50

jamamb wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 22:46 okay, i see, so if the total pot is actually like 50m then around 16-17m for wilders fair?

then it comes down to what the total pot is, and frankly i think some of the figures thrown out are laughably inflated

I think the numbers might be off as well. If you offer Wilder 35%, that seems acceptable to me. If that 35% gives him less than $14.5 million, so be it. If it gives him more, which I think it will be a lot more, good for him.

Evander wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 22:51

jamamb wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 22:34

Evander wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 22:31

Can you provide proof of that please, thanks in advance.

proof of what? for wlads financial power just do a quick google, all sorts of numbers out there. the guy made millions and millions even vs nobodies, and then got 15-20m for aj. whereas wilder makes like 1m yet some people think he deserves to fetch 25m as a minimum starting offer to be increased. just look up

I could be cheeky but I won't.
Err ... let me put it this way, if I wanted an edge in negotiations I'd gladly spin any story to my advantage in order to get a better cut than the next man do know what I mean mate
Don't believe everything you read, makes for good conversation I will say that though.

Evander wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 22:51

jamamb wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 22:34

Evander wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 22:31

Can you provide proof of that please, thanks in advance.

proof of what? for wlads financial power just do a quick google, all sorts of numbers out there. the guy made millions and millions even vs nobodies, and then got 15-20m for aj. whereas wilder makes like 1m yet some people think he deserves to fetch 25m as a minimum starting offer to be increased. just look up

I could be cheeky but I won't.
Err ... let me put it this way, if I wanted an edge in negotiations I'd gladly spin any story to my advantage in order to get a better cut than the next man do know what I mean mate
Don't believe everything you read, makes for good conversation I will say that though.

Like a Boss wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 22:42

Evander wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 22:22 Sounds like a low offer I'll be surprised if Wilder takes it.

I see it as nothing more than an opening bid from Hearn.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 22:55

Evander wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 22:51

jamamb wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 22:34

proof of what? for wlads financial power just do a quick google, all sorts of numbers out there. the guy made millions and millions even vs nobodies, and then got 15-20m for aj. whereas wilder makes like 1m yet some people think he deserves to fetch 25m as a minimum starting offer to be increased. just look up

I could be cheeky but I won't.
Err ... let me put it this way, if I wanted an edge in negotiations I'd gladly spin any story to my advantage in order to get a better cut than the next man do know what I mean mate
Don't believe everything you read, makes for good conversation I will say that though.

There are 2 separate videos posted by Joshua confirming the offer £8.8
And one by Wilder also confirming the same offer

Evander wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 22:57

Like a Boss wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 22:42

Evander wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 22:22 Sounds like a low offer I'll be surprised if Wilder takes it.

I see it as nothing more than an opening bid from Hearn.

Love Eddie he's blinding and been great for the sport and doing the best for his client I applaud him, but I agree it's an opening offer and falls way short of what Wilder could get out of this.

Like a Boss wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 22:59

Evander wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 22:57

Like a Boss wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 22:42

I see it as nothing more than an opening bid from Hearn.

Love Eddie he's blinding and been great for the sport and doing the best for his client I applaud him, but I agree it's an opening offer and falls way short of what Wilder could get out of this.

Finkel will be as keen to get as much as he can for Wilder as Hearn will be for Joshua. Hopefully at some point they will reach an agreement because this is the fight most of us want to see.

Evander wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 23:01

Like a Boss wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 22:59

Evander wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 22:57

Love Eddie he's blinding and been great for the sport and doing the best for his client I applaud him, but I agree it's an opening offer and falls way short of what Wilder could get out of this.

Finkel will be as keen to get as much as he can for Wilder as Hearn will be for Joshua. Hopefully at some point they will reach an agreement because this is the fight most of us want to see.

Now that's more in line with where I'm coming from.
These people aren't going to tell us honestly what they're making, I know I wouldn't.

jamamb wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 23:00 they started parker lower too and he ended up with significantly better offer. ggg worked up to a much better deal vs canelo. low starting offer happens a lot. i think wilder will end up with more. and tbh i dont think the pot will be nearly as big as some think, so 12.5m isnt as vastly far off as i think but i expect wilder should get more.

its good that an offer was made at all and that a counter will be made. something rather then the nothing we had before. the work has started.

Like a Boss wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 23:03

Evander wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 23:01

Like a Boss wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 22:59

Finkel will be as keen to get as much as he can for Wilder as Hearn will be for Joshua. Hopefully at some point they will reach an agreement because this is the fight most of us want to see.

Now that's more in line with where I'm coming from.
These people aren't going to tell us honestly what they're making, I know I wouldn't.

No, I don't expect they will. Neither Hearn nor Finkel came down in the last shower. They both know there's a huge pie up for grabs here and they will each want the biggest possible slice of it they can get, by whatever means it takes.

Evander wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 23:09

jamamb wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 23:00 they started parker lower too and he ended up with significantly better offer. ggg worked up to a much better deal vs canelo. low starting offer happens a lot. i think wilder will end up with more. and tbh i dont think the pot will be nearly as big as some think, so 12.5m isnt as vastly far off as i think but i expect wilder should get more.

its good that an offer was made at all and that a counter will be made. something rather then the nothing we had before. the work has started.

It's a terrible offer when all is said and done.
Let's say he offers Wilder 15 million, screw that call it 25 million it's still a bad offer considering it will be a PPV fight and will make more money in the U.S than it will in the UK.
Sure the UK will put 80 thousand people in the arena, but wait till you see the PPV revenues from the U.S should it be there.
Personally I don't care who gets what I hope they both earn a fortune I really do, but when some of these numbers are batted around it's almost laughable.
It's pure hype and as much as I love it and no matter what paper it's put in any journalist can be thrown a few quid to say whatever they want him to without a shred of proof.
I think I know what Joshua's camp want to do and in the short term it doesn't involve Deontay Wilder and not because he's scared or avoiding him but I think they know down the road the riches that await them are absolutely enormous.

armageto wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 22:02

tiny_acres wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 21:54

armageto wrote: ↑10 Apr 2018, 21:29 The fight is expected to generate over $199 million. So right off that, let's say it's a 90-10 % split. That's a horrible offer. On top of that, there is no mention of location or where the fight is. I'm pretty nuetral in this fight, I just want to see it. That offer is horrible though. AJ doesn't want that smoke.....

Hearn predicted 80-100 million pounds

It goes to show that it's a bad offer even more, if they expecting over 100 million pounds from this fight.