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jamamb wrote: ↑16 Apr 2018, 20:36

gilgamesh wrote: ↑16 Apr 2018, 12:31 Wilder by a million miles.

Fury won the title in a staring contest, he's not dangerous now...wasn't dangerous then. Wilder OR Joshua would flatten him in one sided fashion.

what makes you so sure hes that easy? i mean joe parker came with far less credibility as a movement based negative boxer, and joshua didnt come close to easily flattening him.

i think fury has the tools to give trouble, even if he doesnt win

Because Fury will have his face on a platter for Joshua when AJ catches up with him, and he doesn't have the best punch resistance. Fury might run around for a bit and have Joshua chase him for a few rounds, but he's going to get caught eventually.

Parker managed to stay elusive throughout and showed good ring generalship to not get caught on the ropes, fury is too cumbersome to be that evasive for the distance against a dangerous guy who is actually pressuring him, as opposed to doing an impression of a Covent Garden street mime. He's just going to get walked down and punished. His heart may mean he can last 8 or 9.

ValMar wrote: ↑17 Apr 2018, 11:42

Loki wrote: ↑17 Apr 2018, 08:35 Depends on how good Fury really is. I can’t take anything from the WK fight as Klitschko wasn’t even present.

It also depends on how Fury comes back like.

At this point, it’s Wilder. But, his only chance of winning is by KO and I expect AJ to beat him easily TBH unless he gets caught.

Klitschko was present more than ten years, and suddenly against Fury he was not present. Honestly, it is a little bit strange.............
Like Fury or not, everone should admit that he defeated the fighter who had ruled HW division almost a decade.

Wlad showed signs of slippage against Jennings, was just plain awful against Fury. He was almost 40 as well. But, looked good and should’ve won against AJ.

Nobody knows what was up with him against Fury, but compare that performance against AJ’s including a two year layoff.

The point I’m trying to make is I don’t think you can take the Wlad performance against Fury as accurate: he didn’t throw a punch until the 12th and Fury did relatively little. He certainly didn’t produce the goods against a firing Klitschko. I think a lot of people may have beat Wlad that night.

I may be wrong but I’m pretty sure Fury isn’t nearly as good as people are making out.

We will certainly see.

Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑17 Apr 2018, 11:48

jamamb wrote: ↑16 Apr 2018, 20:36

gilgamesh wrote: ↑16 Apr 2018, 12:31 Wilder by a million miles.

Fury won the title in a staring contest, he's not dangerous now...wasn't dangerous then. Wilder OR Joshua would flatten him in one sided fashion.

what makes you so sure hes that easy? i mean joe parker came with far less credibility as a movement based negative boxer, and joshua didnt come close to easily flattening him.

i think fury has the tools to give trouble, even if he doesnt win

Because Fury will have his face on a platter for Joshua when AJ catches up with him, and he doesn't have the best punch resistance. Fury might run around for a bit and have Joshua chase him for a few rounds, but he's going to get caught eventually.

Parker managed to stay elusive throughout and showed good ring generalship to not get caught on the ropes, fury is too cumbersome to be that evasive for the distance against a dangerous guy who is actually pressuring him, as opposed to doing an impression of a Covent Garden street mime. He's just going to get walked down and punished. His heart may mean he can last 8 or 9.

I agree. Fury is living off a terrible performance by Wlad. You can’t use that as a yard stick. I maybe wrong but I don’t think so.

Loki wrote: ↑17 Apr 2018, 18:43

ValMar wrote: ↑17 Apr 2018, 11:42

Loki wrote: ↑17 Apr 2018, 08:35 Depends on how good Fury really is. I can’t take anything from the WK fight as Klitschko wasn’t even present.

It also depends on how Fury comes back like.

At this point, it’s Wilder. But, his only chance of winning is by KO and I expect AJ to beat him easily TBH unless he gets caught.

Klitschko was present more than ten years, and suddenly against Fury he was not present. Honestly, it is a little bit strange.............
Like Fury or not, everone should admit that he defeated the fighter who had ruled HW division almost a decade.

Wlad showed signs of slippage against Jennings, was just plain awful against Fury. He was almost 40 as well. But, looked good and should’ve won against AJ.

Nobody knows what was up with him against Fury, but compare that performance against AJ’s including a two year layoff.

The point I’m trying to make is I don’t think you can take the Wlad performance against Fury as accurate: he didn’t throw a punch until the 12th and Fury did relatively little. He certainly didn’t produce the goods against a firing Klitschko. I think a lot of people may have beat Wlad that night.

I may be wrong but I’m pretty sure Fury isn’t nearly as good as people are making out.

We will certainly see.

I do give every boxer credit who steps between the ropes. But, not when their opponent doesn’t throw any punches (unless they’re Willie Pep).

ValMar wrote: ↑17 Apr 2018, 11:42

Loki wrote: ↑17 Apr 2018, 08:35 Depends on how good Fury really is. I can’t take anything from the WK fight as Klitschko wasn’t even present.

It also depends on how Fury comes back like.

At this point, it’s Wilder. But, his only chance of winning is by KO and I expect AJ to beat him easily TBH unless he gets caught.

Klitschko was present more than ten years, and suddenly against Fury he was not present. Honestly, it is a little bit strange.............
Like Fury or not, everone should admit that he defeated the fighter who had ruled HW division almost a decade.

Yes... and who was 39 years old and fought a really shitty assed fight... It was kind of strange for him, fighting a man with an 85" inch reach who stood 6'9" tall... and could jab... Wladimir outjabbed everyone but Fury had too much range.... It was that rare fight where Wladimir needed infighting and body punching skills -- and didn't have them...

I thought Wlad not going to any body shots on Fury was really stupid on his part. If he couldn't get anything else, he could have at least done that. If E Steward would have been in his corner, it may have made a difference. It was a pathetic performance on both guy's parts, but I give credit for Fury doing enough to win. The feints Fury does won't work on Wilder, but might get him a close fight with AJ.

I think Wilder is perhaps overrated, I don't really see anything to suggest he is even Joshua's biggest threat. Overall his competition has been pretty subpar and I would not be at all surprised if he lost to guys like Parker and Miller.

Loki wrote: ↑17 Apr 2018, 18:45

Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑17 Apr 2018, 11:48

jamamb wrote: ↑16 Apr 2018, 20:36

what makes you so sure hes that easy? i mean joe parker came with far less credibility as a movement based negative boxer, and joshua didnt come close to easily flattening him.

i think fury has the tools to give trouble, even if he doesnt win

Because Fury will have his face on a platter for Joshua when AJ catches up with him, and he doesn't have the best punch resistance. Fury might run around for a bit and have Joshua chase him for a few rounds, but he's going to get caught eventually.

Parker managed to stay elusive throughout and showed good ring generalship to not get caught on the ropes, fury is too cumbersome to be that evasive for the distance against a dangerous guy who is actually pressuring him, as opposed to doing an impression of a Covent Garden street mime. He's just going to get walked down and punished. His heart may mean he can last 8 or 9.

I agree. Fury is living off a terrible performance by Wlad. You can’t use that as a yard stick. I maybe wrong but I don’t think so.

since furys adopted the negative style the reduced opponent output is the norm, happened not only to wlad but also chisora and hammer. its just part of having a guy that long with a good jab and good and constant movement for his size. its funny that ppl think all these guys are just going easy vs fury or something, yet then we saw wlad throw plenty vs aj, chisora war with whyte, hammer beat teper and price, etc........so all vs more stationary, straight forward opponents

and riddick blowe, i dont think parkers really any more elusive then fury or quicker on his feet. he was downright easy to hit and stiff legged in a number of fights right before aj, which i thought wouldve led to him being taken out. most thought that for good reason

i think theres an issue with taking parkers showing as something fury couldnt use to cause aj trouble, when parker has only really shown any elusiveness vs aj. fury has far more credibility as a tricky opponent then parker did going into that fight

i think aj beats fury (and everyone else) but id hardly be surprised if he had some problems in the process

jamamb wrote: ↑17 Apr 2018, 21:49
and riddick blowe, i dont think parkers really any more elusive then fury or quicker on his feet. he was downright easy to hit and stiff legged in a number of fights right before aj, which i thought wouldve led to him being taken out. most thought that for good reason

i think theres an issue with taking parkers showing as something fury couldnt use to cause aj trouble, when parker has only really shown any elusiveness vs aj. fury has far more credibility as a tricky opponent then parker did going into that fight

i think aj beats fury (and everyone else) but id hardly be surprised if he had some problems in the process

Re Parker, I thought he would be right there to be hit vs Joshua, but he had clearly improved his defence and was slipping a lot of shots, riding shots, using his feet well and showing head and body movement. He had worked a lot on that side of his game, it was obvious to see just by using your eyes. He needed to have improved like that otherwise Joshua would have been able to tee off at will.

Fury has also shown the same defensive frailties before in his fights, but to a greater extent than Parker he's been nailed multiple times, roughed up, dropped and shaken by non punchers, it's a common theme with him. Pajkic, Cunningham, Chisora I in the first round, life or death with John McDonut. Folks will cry about him having developed since then, and they have a point, but the thing is, does any elite level guy struggle with someone like Big John at ANY stage of his career? The idea of Joshua or a young Lennox having a close fight with a guy like McDermott, even a few fights into their career, is absurd.

The guy just isn't that good IMO and he's in for a gigantic pasting when he steps it up against someone elite and dangerous who actually fights back.

Badhusker wrote: ↑17 Apr 2018, 20:07 I thought Wlad not going to any body shots on Fury was really stupid on his part. If he couldn't get anything else, he could have at least done that. If E Steward would have been in his corner, it may have made a difference. It was a pathetic performance on both guy's parts, but I give credit for Fury doing enough to win. The feints Fury does won't work on Wilder, but might get him a close fight with AJ.

I agree Fury is long, but he can be hit, quite easily. But, the reason he didn’t is because the prerequisite of being hit is that someone needs to throw a punch.

Eddie Hearn.

I might be old an stupid, my English is bad, obviously, but I can not understand this logic :
-Wlad has been too old and shot facing Fury.
-Wlad's performance against Joshua has been wonderful, simply, he needed a little bit of luck.

Maybe, Wlad found out some kind of the elixir for youth, as I know he had fought Fury (the old and shot version of Wlad) before Joshua (the young and powerful version of Wlad).

ValMar wrote: ↑18 Apr 2018, 12:23 I might be old an stupid, my English is bad, obviously, but I can not understand this logic :
-Wlad has been too old and shot facing Fury.
-Wlad's performance against Joshua has been wonderful, simply, he needed a little bit of luck.

Maybe, Wlad found out some kind of the elixir for youth, as I know he had fought Fury (the old and shot version of Wlad) before Joshua (the young and powerful version of Wlad).

1 - You're obviously NOT stupid.
2 - You make some interesting points and observations. It was quite a turnaround for Wlad performance wise.

oogiebe wrote: ↑18 Apr 2018, 12:29

ValMar wrote: ↑18 Apr 2018, 12:23 I might be old an stupid, my English is bad, obviously, but I can not understand this logic :
-Wlad has been too old and shot facing Fury.
-Wlad's performance against Joshua has been wonderful, simply, he needed a little bit of luck.

Maybe, Wlad found out some kind of the elixir for youth, as I know he had fought Fury (the old and shot version of Wlad) before Joshua (the young and powerful version of Wlad).

1 - You're obviously NOT stupid.
2 - You make some interesting points and observations. It was quite a turnaround for Wlad performance wise.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑16 Apr 2018, 12:31 Wilder by a million miles.

Fury won the title in a staring contest, he's not dangerous now...wasn't dangerous then. Wilder OR Joshua would flatten him in one sided fashion.

When Fury is in shape, he's more than just a dangerous opponent, he is a heavy favorite against almost every heavyweight of all time.

Lackeos wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 00:00 When Fury is in shape, he's more than just a dangerous opponent, he is a heavy favorite against almost every heavyweight of all time.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 00:02

Lackeos wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 00:00 When Fury is in shape, he's more than just a dangerous opponent, he is a heavy favorite against almost every heavyweight of all time.

I know. Shits getting ridiculous. He may be joking though?

Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 02:50

gilgamesh wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 00:02

Lackeos wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 00:00 When Fury is in shape, he's more than just a dangerous opponent, he is a heavy favorite against almost every heavyweight of all time.

I know. Shits getting ridiculous. He may be joking though?

I would not claim that TF "is a heavy favorite against almost every heavyweight of all time" but I am sure that TF has the best skilset at HW, after Holyfield had retired. His punching power is pretty average, his chin too, but his skilset is 10/10 for HW.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 00:02

Lackeos wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 00:00 When Fury is in shape, he's more than just a dangerous opponent, he is a heavy favorite against almost every heavyweight of all time.

Best laugher of an opinion this week.

It makes some of asdjfkl's views seem almost rational. Almost.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑16 Apr 2018, 19:54 Wilder quicker, more athletic, more unpredictable and hits a ton harder than Fury.

Who's more dangerous? Is there really a need for debate?

Exacly could not have put it better

ValMar wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 04:05

Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 02:50

gilgamesh wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 00:02

I know. Shits getting ridiculous. He may be joking though?

I would not claim that TF "is a heavy favorite against almost every heavyweight of all time" but I am sure that TF has the best skilset at HW, after Holyfield had retired. His punching power is pretty average, his chin too, but his skilset is 10/10 for HW.

You hear that guys? This guy is the up there with the most skilled Heavyweights of all time

gilgamesh wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 11:15

ValMar wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 04:05

Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 02:50
I know. Shits getting ridiculous. He may be joking though?

I would not claim that TF "is a heavy favorite against almost every heavyweight of all time" but I am sure that TF has the best skilset at HW, after Holyfield had retired. His punching power is pretty average, his chin too, but his skilset is 10/10 for HW.

You hear that guys? This guy is the up there with the most skilled Heavyweights of all time

And there you have it folks! LMFAO!

fury .i think if tyson can box like he did against klitschko , aj cant touch him, where i see wilder in the aj fight. wilder is the one i feel needs to land his banger to win ,

gilgamesh wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 11:15

ValMar wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 04:05

Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 02:50
I know. Shits getting ridiculous. He may be joking though?

I would not claim that TF "is a heavy favorite against almost every heavyweight of all time" but I am sure that TF has the best skilset at HW, after Holyfield had retired. His punching power is pretty average, his chin too, but his skilset is 10/10 for HW.

You hear that guys? This guy is the up there with the most skilled Heavyweights of all time

took the shot well. some say it was the best shot to land on him