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sweetviolenturge wrote: ↑17 Apr 2018, 21:49

HeavyHitters wrote: ↑17 Apr 2018, 17:03 I think you was "trying" to state that Joe Joyce has a better resume' than Daniel Dubois. If that is the case, I did a little research.

Daniel Dubois:

Height: 6' 5". Weight: 238 lbs. 20 years old.

Current record: 7-0-0 / 7 KO's
Current BoxRec ranking: 77

Pro rounds fought: 12

Combined opponents records: 60-15-2 ( 78% won-loss record )
Average opponent ranking: 358

Joe Joyce:

Height: 6' 6". Weight: 252 lbs. 32 years old.

Current record: 3-0-0 / 3 KO's
Current BoxRec ranking: 120

Pro rounds fought: 10

Combined opponents records: 25-5-2 ( 78% won-loss record )
Average opponent ranking: 356


Eerily similar!! Both impressive heavyweights at this stage of their careers, but as far as experience in the ring, Dubois has a bit more. Plus Dubois is much younger than Joyce, who joined the pro ranks after the age of 30. Clearly, Dubois being at 77 with BoxRec, and Joyce being at 120 with BoxRec, is only based on him having a few more fights under his belt. At this point, I just think Dubois a bit farther along than Joyce is. I'm not saying Joyce has no future or no potential. It looks like he does and will, if he fights on a regular basis. But he clearly has a smaller window of opportunity than Dubois has, since Daniel is only 20 years old.

Who knows! They both could be in the heavyweight title picture in the next 2-5 years!

Joyce will be vying for his first regional title in just his fourth professional contest on May 5 when he meets the 22-4-1 Lenroy Thomas in a scheduled 12 rounder for Thomas's Commonwealth title. So, based on that, I'd say that he's a bit more advanced in his pro career at this point than is Dubois.
Although, Dubois also holds a pair of minor regional belts as well already but I daresay that Thomas is superior to anyone that Dubois has met thus far. As was Joyce's initial pro opponent Ian Lewiston as well.

www,premierboxingorganisation.com/heavyweight-200 Joe Joyce in the top 100 Daniel Dubois not in, 3-0 v 7-0.. The PBO rankings are totally independent but are based on quality not quantity. Joe Joyce v Ian Lewison says it all, his next fight will see him 100 places higher than Dubois if he wins. Where I will agree with you is subjectively he is likely to make the top 10 in time.

Pointless discussion, neither are currently anywhere near the top 10.

If it's based on potential, then there's arguably dozens of prospects which are overlooked because they're not in your line of sight.

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑18 Apr 2018, 06:43 Pointless discussion, neither are currently anywhere near the top 10.

If it's based on potential, then there's arguably dozens of prospects which are overlooked because they're not in your line of sight.

Umm... No. Seriously!? Beyond my top 8 of Wilder, Joshua, Ortiz, Parker, Povetkin, Miller, Whyte and Pulev, it's extremely difficult to find a heavyweight that really is truly top quality beyond them, or has the potential to be top quality. That is how weak the rest of the division is right now!

Dominic Breazeale? Come on! Do you really think he will ever be champion when Joshua and Wilder hold the belts?

Andy Ruiz? Please!

Manuel Charr? Please... Joke City! "How" and "why" in the heck does he own a belt anyways!!??

Kownacki? no...

Gorman? No....

Lippe Morrison? Eh, no.....

Hughie? Ha ha ha ha ha!!!!

Yoka? Fa? No and No......

The only other credible heavyweight out there that has a chance of dethroning Wilder or Joshua, is Tyson Fury, but that's a big "IF". He first has to prove that he can come back, be in good shape, and perform like he has in the past, which was over two years ago.

PS - It there are any other up-and-coming heavyweights out there that I'm not aware of, and you know of some footage on Youtube I can check out, please let me know. I'm always curious about the young heavyweight up-and-comers.

HeavyHitters wrote: ↑17 Apr 2018, 17:03 I think you was "trying" to state that Joe Joyce has a better resume' than Daniel Dubois. If that is the case, I did a little research.

Daniel Dubois:

Height: 6' 5". Weight: 238 lbs. 20 years old.

Current record: 7-0-0 / 7 KO's
Current BoxRec ranking: 77

Pro rounds fought: 12

Combined opponents records: 60-15-2 ( 78% won-loss record )
Average opponent ranking: 358

Joe Joyce:

Height: 6' 6". Weight: 252 lbs. 32 years old.

Current record: 3-0-0 / 3 KO's
Current BoxRec ranking: 120

Pro rounds fought: 10

Combined opponents records: 25-5-2 ( 78% won-loss record )
Average opponent ranking: 356


Eerily similar!! Both impressive heavyweights at this stage of their careers, but as far as experience in the ring, Dubois has a bit more. Plus Dubois is much younger than Joyce, who joined the pro ranks after the age of 30. Clearly, Dubois being at 77 with BoxRec, and Joyce being at 120 with BoxRec, is only based on him having a few more fights under his belt. At this point, I just think Dubois a bit farther along than Joyce is. I'm not saying Joyce has no future or no potential. It looks like he does and will, if he fights on a regular basis. But he clearly has a smaller window of opportunity than Dubois has, since Daniel is only 20 years old.

Who knows! They both could be in the heavyweight title picture in the next 2-5 years!

Superficially very similar but they are on wildly different trajectories. Joyce is a vastly experienced amateur and no spring-chicken. He can't afford to hang about. Ian Lewison is an extremely tough opponent for a debut, but Joyce is not your average rookie. He was hoping to fight Dereck Chisora next but Dereck didn't like what he was being offered and now Joe takes on Lenroy Thomas for his commonwealth crown. At this rate Joyce will crack the top ten this year.

I love what I see in Daniel Dubois. He may turn out to be better than Joyce but his manager would need to be crazy to let DDD fight Joyce this year. He would get destroyed, it would be boy against man.

Dubois is only 20, a babe in heavyweight terms. There is absolutely no hurry, he can afford to take his time and learn his craft but it's important he should be fed opponents he can learn from (Kevin Johnson would be ideal) or fighters that will make him really fight without being too dangerous. A journeyman I respect greatly is the Devon based Pole Kamil Sokolowski. If you look at his win / loss record purely on numbers you'd swear he was rubbish, but when you look at the opposition and how he acquit himself, then his record starts to look a whole more respectable. He's the polar opposite record-wise to Arnold Gjergjaj who was something like 27 and 0 when he fought David Haye IIRC and folded like a pack of cards. He and Sokolowski have a decent opponent in common (Big sexy Sean Turner) which reinforces the point.

HeavyHitters wrote: ↑18 Apr 2018, 10:00

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑18 Apr 2018, 06:43 Pointless discussion, neither are currently anywhere near the top 10.

If it's based on potential, then there's arguably dozens of prospects which are overlooked because they're not in your line of sight.

Umm... No. Seriously!? Beyond my top 8 of Wilder, Joshua, Ortiz, Parker, Povetkin, Miller, Whyte and Pulev, it's extremely difficult to find a heavyweight that really is truly top quality beyond them, or has the potential to be top quality. That is how weak the rest of the division is right now!

Dominic Breazeale? Come on! Do you really think he will ever be champion when Joshua and Wilder hold the belts?

Andy Ruiz? Please!

Manuel Charr? Please... Joke City! "How" and "why" in the heck does he own a belt anyways!!??

Kownacki? no...

Gorman? No....

Lippe Morrison? Eh, no.....

Hughie? Ha ha ha ha ha!!!!

Yoka? Fa? No and No......

The only other credible heavyweight out there that has a chance of dethroning Wilder or Joshua, is Tyson Fury, but that's a big "IF". He first has to prove that he can come back, be in good shape, and perform like he has in the past, which was over two years ago.

PS - It there are any other up-and-coming heavyweights out there that I'm not aware of, and you know of some footage on Youtube I can check out, please let me know. I'm always curious about the young heavyweight up-and-comers.

I think you'd find at this stage of his career, Dubois would be shown the ropes by some more experienced, also young heavyweights, such as Tom Schwartz and Agit Kabayel. To assume that Dubois would blow everyone away outside the top 9 just because he skittled over some tin cans, is nothing short of ludicrous.

Schwarz and likely Kabayel would be too much for Dubois at this point. He needs a savvy, slick, light hitting, frustrating fighter to stretch his legs out to 7/8 rounds. We all know it's the best way of gaining in-ring experience.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑17 Apr 2018, 21:58

funso banjo baby wrote: ↑17 Apr 2018, 19:26 the alphabets are full of sh*t

Well I think 99.9% of all posters would agree with you.

Only 99.9%?

Syntax Error wrote: ↑21 Apr 2018, 07:59

tiny_acres wrote: ↑17 Apr 2018, 21:58

funso banjo baby wrote: ↑17 Apr 2018, 19:26 the alphabets are full of sh*t

Well I think 99.9% of all posters would agree with you.

Only 99.9%?

I'm sure you are aware of the .1% here who would say the sky was green just to argue.