Hagler TKO's Hearns?

[oogiebe]

[Fact: Wilt is so tall they had to bury him 12 feet deep because it took twice as much dirt to keep him down. THAT'S HOW TALL HE WAS.

He also once won the MLB Home Run Derby, but all the other players were like "Come on man, you're so tall we're gonna look bad on TV standing next to you" so he humbly agreed to have the footage burned. What a guy!

You're posting a lot of insane nonsense as usual...

Chamberlain was VERY FAR from the tallest NBA player in History... He was the BEST NBA player in History and holds more career and game records than any other player... No other player came close to scoring 100 points in a game... No other player pulled down 55 rebounds in a game and nobody else ever came close to dominating on both ends of the court in the manner Chamberlain did.. He wasn't anywhere near the tallest.

Being only 1 inch over 7 feet tall isn't even within 5 inches of being the tallest Basketball Player in NBA History... Nobody EVER HEARD of the tallest player in NBA History because he wasn't any good... There are currently 36 NBA players over 7 feet tall... Nobody heard of most of them because they're terrible players... 1 of every 74 seven-footers makes it to the NBA and they're generally uncoordinated and can't play that well... There haven't been any more Kareem's or Wilt's.

That's where you're f*cking your facts up pal. He was SO TALL that he actually won the World Series, The Daytona 500, The NHL Stanley Cup, AND The FIFA World Cup in Soccer all in the same year...oh and you bet your ass he won the NBA Finals too.

Height isn't measured in Inches and Centimeters, it's measured in Athletic Greatness, and therefore you might as well say Wilt was 20 feet tall, but I once saw him hit 75 Homeruns, Throw 192 Strike outs, Beat everybody in a Nascar race by a full 5 laps!

And he even scored 17 points on the ICE! BY HIMSELF! When the other team sent out their enforcer to pick a Hockey Fight with him, he started skating up to him and then just shouted back "I can't...he's too tall"

What a man!

Gil - you forgot the Westminster Dog Show!

[gilgamesh]

Hey I didn't have all day to mention his numerous accomplishments so I just zeroed in on the cream of the crop

[oogiebe]

Hey I didn't have all day to mention his numerous accomplishments so I just zeroed in on the cream of the crop

Well as a card carrying dog owner, I am offended...

[man]

Or maybe there should be a "too tall to fall" waiver for fighters Like VK when facing crafy fellas like Chris.

[Kalan]

Or maybe there should be a "too tall to fall" waiver for fighters Like VK when facing crafy fellas like Chris.

Vitali DIDN'T fall (suffered no knockdowns in his career unlike Chris Byrd)... and it wasn't because VK was tall after all... there are hundreds of very tall boxers like Julius Long.... Tye Fields... and David Price who are terrible and can't box a lick.

Vitali was never knocked down and never behind on points after any fight -- because he was a damned good boxer.

Chris Bryd wasn't too small to fall... Chris was knocked down many times... He should have learned to box better -- because he took relentless beatings from Wladimir Klitschko and Ike Ibeabuchi who boxed and beat his brains in 3 times.

[APerno]

That is, by and large hearns' style. Hearns (corner) took a gamble and in retrospect it was a bad idea. If you can hurt a guy bad in the first round, that can carry you for a while in the respect dept. I think he should have stayed away from Hagler and spread out those loaded right hands but he made the mistake of many others who tried and failed against Hagler. On the other hand dispatching Duran early was probably a good idea(although Duran was not in good shape for the fight) had Duran gotten past the right hand it may have been a different outcome.

Oh Yea, I forgot Tommy was up at 9. Although still absent from planet Earth!
I agree with the "great fight" crowd.

In regards to the staying away and boxing question, I heard Hearns answer once in an interview, 'I would have but Hagler wouldn't let me, he just kept coming.' (or something close to that.)

I have a problem with calling the Hagler-Hearns fight a TKO (although I realize by definition of the rules it was a TKO) because is was a very different ending than say Freddy Pendleton's TKO over Livingstone Bramble (II) which was stopped because of a cut (caused by a punch) next to Bramble's eye. IMO that is a more proper definition of a Technical Knock Out. Hearns-Hagler should be recorded as a KO (IMO).

I don't think the rule/definition should be based on whether a fighter is on his feet; it should be defined by why he couldn't continue.

[gilgamesh]

That is, by and large hearns' style. Hearns (corner) took a gamble and in retrospect it was a bad idea. If you can hurt a guy bad in the first round, that can carry you for a while in the respect dept. I think he should have stayed away from Hagler and spread out those loaded right hands but he made the mistake of many others who tried and failed against Hagler. On the other hand dispatching Duran early was probably a good idea(although Duran was not in good shape for the fight) had Duran gotten past the right hand it may have been a different outcome.

Oh Yea, I forgot Tommy was up at 9. Although still absent from planet Earth!
I agree with the "great fight" crowd.

In regards to the staying away and boxing question, I heard Hearns answer once in an interview, 'I would have but Hagler wouldn't let me, he just kept coming.' (or something close to that.)

I have a problem with calling the Hagler-Hearns fight a TKO (although I realize by definition of the rules it was a TKO) because is was a very different ending than say Freddy Pendleton's TKO over Livingstone Bramble (II) which was stopped because of a cut (caused by a punch) next to Bramble's eye. IMO that is a more proper definition of a Technical Knock Out. Hearns-Hagler should be recorded as a KO (IMO).

I don't think the rule/definition should be based on whether a fighter is on his feet; it should be defined by why he couldn't continue.

Yeah. I guess fights are ruled "TKO's" if say a guy goes down in a heap...clearly unconscious and the referee just waves it off rather than count to 10 because the guy needs medical attention right?

I mean...I understand not counting to 10 because sometimes every second counts when it comes to somebody's health, but by any measure surely this should count as a "Knockout" because that's damn sure what it was. Nothing Technical about it.

[jpspice]

That is, by and large hearns' style. Hearns (corner) took a gamble and in retrospect it was a bad idea. If you can hurt a guy bad in the first round, that can carry you for a while in the respect dept. I think he should have stayed away from Hagler and spread out those loaded right hands but he made the mistake of many others who tried and failed against Hagler. On the other hand dispatching Duran early was probably a good idea(although Duran was not in good shape for the fight) had Duran gotten past the right hand it may have been a different outcome.

Oh Yea, I forgot Tommy was up at 9. Although still absent from planet Earth!
I agree with the "great fight" crowd.

In regards to the staying away and boxing question, I heard Hearns answer once in an interview, 'I would have but Hagler wouldn't let me, he just kept coming.' (or something close to that.)

I have a problem with calling the Hagler-Hearns fight a TKO (although I realize by definition of the rules it was a TKO) because is was a very different ending than say Freddy Pendleton's TKO over Livingstone Bramble (II) which was stopped because of a cut (caused by a punch) next to Bramble's eye. IMO that is a more proper definition of a Technical Knock Out. Hearns-Hagler should be recorded as a KO (IMO).

I don't think the rule/definition should be based on whether a fighter is on his feet; it should be defined by why he couldn't continue.

I think Tommy tried to box and evade in the 2nd round but by then it was too late, he had already absorbed too much punishment in the 1st round slugfest. You can see where Hagler hurt him bad near the end of the first. By the time he resorted to the jab and move strategy he was tripping over himself.

[SenorPipino]

Relatively few fights end in an actual KO.

The referee has to count 10 for it to be designated that way.

If he stops counting over an obviously unconscious fighter in an effort to speed medical aid, it's still a TKO.

Hearns was up before 10. The referee decided that Hearns was unable to defend himself and waived it off.

It was a TKO. No 10 count was reached.

[APerno]

That is, by and large hearns' style. Hearns (corner) took a gamble and in retrospect it was a bad idea. If you can hurt a guy bad in the first round, that can carry you for a while in the respect dept. I think he should have stayed away from Hagler and spread out those loaded right hands but he made the mistake of many others who tried and failed against Hagler. On the other hand dispatching Duran early was probably a good idea(although Duran was not in good shape for the fight) had Duran gotten past the right hand it may have been a different outcome.

Oh Yea, I forgot Tommy was up at 9. Although still absent from planet Earth!
I agree with the "great fight" crowd.

In regards to the staying away and boxing question, I heard Hearns answer once in an interview, 'I would have but Hagler wouldn't let me, he just kept coming.' (or something close to that.)

I have a problem with calling the Hagler-Hearns fight a TKO (although I realize by definition of the rules it was a TKO) because is was a very different ending than say Freddy Pendleton's TKO over Livingstone Bramble (II) which was stopped because of a cut (caused by a punch) next to Bramble's eye. IMO that is a more proper definition of a Technical Knock Out. Hearns-Hagler should be recorded as a KO (IMO).

I don't think the rule/definition should be based on whether a fighter is on his feet; it should be defined by why he couldn't continue.

I think Tommy tried to box and evade in the 2nd round but by then it was too late, he had already absorbed too much punishment in the 1st round slugfest. You can see where Hagler hurt him bad near the end of the first. By the time he resorted to the jab and move strategy he was tripping over himself.

I agree - some on here have been saying it wasn't as great a fight as lore would have it, and in some sense they are right, it really is the first round that is unbelievable.

Re Hearn's legs: another quote I read was from E. Stewart, he stated that just before the fight he came back into the locker room to find someone rubbing Hearn's legs. He thought this a very bad thing and put a stop to it. Hearns then stood up and complained that his legs felt weak. Stewart said nothing but to himself went "Oh boy, this is bad." By the second round Hearn's legs were gone. More likely it was Hagler's banging that got them there, but that was Stewart's assessment.

[SenorPipino]

Hearns said he lost his legs before the fight, by running on the sand in Miami during training.

It must have some sort of draining effect. Like sex before a fight.

But it's normal in boxing for there to be dozens of different excuses about why a fighter loses.

[man]

Or maybe there should be a "too tall to fall" waiver for fighters Like VK when facing crafy fellas like Chris.

Vitali DIDN'T fall (suffered no knockdowns in his career unlike Chris Byrd)... and it wasn't because VK was tall after all... there are hundreds of very tall boxers like Julius Long.... Tye Fields... and David Price who are terrible and can't box a lick.

Vitali was never knocked down and never behind on points after any fight -- because he was a damned good boxer.

Chris Bryd wasn't too small to fall... Chris was knocked down many times... He should have learned to box better -- because he took relentless beatings from Wladimir Klitschko and Ike Ibeabuchi who boxed and beat his brains in 3 times.

to be honest, kalan, i think you are
a giant pain in the ass most of the
time, but here you got it perfectly
right and i am stunned otherwise
boxing-savy people still criticise him
for the byrd thing,

[Kalan]

In regards to the staying away and boxing question, I heard Hearns answer once in an interview, 'I would have but Hagler wouldn't let me, he just kept coming.' (or something close to that.)

I have a problem with calling the Hagler-Hearns fight a TKO (although I realize by definition of the rules it was a TKO) because is was a very different ending than say Freddy Pendleton's TKO over Livingstone Bramble (II) which was stopped because of a cut (caused by a punch) next to Bramble's eye. IMO that is a more proper definition of a Technical Knock Out. Hearns-Hagler should be recorded as a KO (IMO).

I don't think the rule/definition should be based on whether a fighter is on his feet; it should be defined by why he couldn't continue.

I think Tommy tried to box and evade in the 2nd round but by then it was too late, he had already absorbed too much punishment in the 1st round slugfest. You can see where Hagler hurt him bad near the end of the first. By the time he resorted to the jab and move strategy he was tripping over himself.

I agree - some on here have been saying it wasn't as great a fight as lore would have it, and in some sense they are right, it really is the first round that is unbelievable.

Re Hearn's legs: another quote I read was from E. Stewart, he stated that just before the fight he came back into the locker room to find someone rubbing Hearn's legs. He thought this a very bad thing and put a stop to it. Hearns then stood up and complained that his legs felt weak. Stewart said nothing but to himself went "Oh boy, this is bad." By the second round Hearn's legs were gone. More likely it was Hagler's banging that got them there, but that was Stewart's assessment.

Yes, that is absolutely true... You DON'T massage muscle tissue prior to athletic exertion... A warm bath and massage might help you relax and sleep a lot better (I didn't believe in them for any reason)... But those 2 things WILL NOT get you revved and ready for an athletic contest... I believe cold showers help you after you work out really hard because I did them as instructed a few times... But they're uncomfortable so I stopped doing them... I'm not sure why they would help anyway... I think some of these things are mental... If you think they're going to work, they do.