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Yeah I think Jamie will get binned by fast Eddie now. Frank won’t have him back so god knows where now

ElJefe wrote: ↑05 May 2018, 21:42 Genuine question: When was the last time a fighter built up such a reputation as Cox had pre-Groves without a single impressive performance in the ring against half decent opposition?

Said before the Groves fight that his rep was solely based on rumours and that's how its turned out. When someone has been a pro for so long and hasn't been given the proper fights through the levels and instead sticks to knocking over journeymen for years, there's probably a reason.

Groves and Ryder exposed the myth imo. Might be a good gym fighter but that doesn't warrant the hype he had. Seems to be a flat track bully who has struggled with any adversity. He was up like a shot the second after the 10 count finished against Groves but I gave him a pass as the effects of body punches are harder to judge. But after tonight's stoppage as well you have to wonder if he just didn't fancy it on both occasions.

Such a reputation? There were just a few pals of his on here making claims he was knocking out champion heavyweights in the gym.
I never realised anyone believed them?

Coco wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 06:57

ElJefe wrote: ↑05 May 2018, 21:42 Genuine question: When was the last time a fighter built up such a reputation as Cox had pre-Groves without a single impressive performance in the ring against half decent opposition?

Said before the Groves fight that his rep was solely based on rumours and that's how its turned out. When someone has been a pro for so long and hasn't been given the proper fights through the levels and instead sticks to knocking over journeymen for years, there's probably a reason.

Groves and Ryder exposed the myth imo. Might be a good gym fighter but that doesn't warrant the hype he had. Seems to be a flat track bully who has struggled with any adversity. He was up like a shot the second after the 10 count finished against Groves but I gave him a pass as the effects of body punches are harder to judge. But after tonight's stoppage as well you have to wonder if he just didn't fancy it on both occasions.

Such a reputation? There were just a few pals of his on here making claims he was knocking out champion heavyweights in the gym.
I never realised anyone believed them?

Plenty seemed to on here and social media. He pretty much got into the WBSS on the back of how good people were saying he might be, ahead of more deserving fighters such as Fielding and Ryder. So rumours of him beating up people in gyms seemingly gave him a reputation on par or above solid British level fighters with plenty of people.

Coco wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 06:57Such a reputation? There were just a few pals of his on here making claims he was knocking out champion heavyweights in the gym.
I never realised anyone believed them?

How did he get a world title fight?

Why was Ryder vs Cox considered 50-50?

Loads of people bought into the hype.

Yeh he was a hype job, he looked promising in his very early career but clearly gone well off the rails since then and always had temperament issues.

Just all round a bit of a strange character, even last night I was saying "Did he just quit there?"

Weird the whole jumping up at 9.5 on the count and then doing the moaning to the ref thing. I just think that when it gets tough he quits or fouls himself out of a fight.

Coco wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 06:57

ElJefe wrote: ↑05 May 2018, 21:42 Genuine question: When was the last time a fighter built up such a reputation as Cox had pre-Groves without a single impressive performance in the ring against half decent opposition?

Said before the Groves fight that his rep was solely based on rumours and that's how its turned out. When someone has been a pro for so long and hasn't been given the proper fights through the levels and instead sticks to knocking over journeymen for years, there's probably a reason.

Groves and Ryder exposed the myth imo. Might be a good gym fighter but that doesn't warrant the hype he had. Seems to be a flat track bully who has struggled with any adversity. He was up like a shot the second after the 10 count finished against Groves but I gave him a pass as the effects of body punches are harder to judge. But after tonight's stoppage as well you have to wonder if he just didn't fancy it on both occasions.

Such a reputation? There were just a few pals of his on here making claims he was knocking out champion heavyweights in the gym.
I never realised anyone believed them?

Didn't Tony Bellew once refer to Cox as "the best kept secret in British boxing"?

yes there was real hype, not then anyone was saying he was world p4p or anything, but consensus seemed that he was some super dangerous, really good talent who could at least win easy at euro level and be legit challenging for bigger titles . so much talk about him blowiwng out guys like rocky fielding, ryder, and really solid, proven guys . all this talk about his power too when he barely has a 50 percent stoppage rate vs poor opposition

i found it bizarre that such an improven guy, with plenty of evidence that hes actually not that dangerous, would get so much backing, especially with so many scrappy fights and questionable conduct. not like he was amazing to watch, a really super great personality, etc

so many threads of him vs good opponents it was filled with 'cox ko' or 'i dont like him, but i think cox does this early doors' etc. i dont think well be seeing as many from now on but you never know with a cult like character!

Didn't he go over the Mayweather gym and knock a few lads about?

Gym king doesn't mean a thing if you can't do it on the night. Danny Williams was bashing up Oleg Maskaev in sparring when Maskaev was widely cited as #2 in the world but never looked anything like that good when it mattered. Clearly Cox can't take a punch nearly well enough to fight the way he does at any decent level, i.e. undisciplined and wide open to counters.

It is a bit of a shame, as there is clearly talent there, but he does himself no favours at all.

samwbr wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 10:48 Didn't he go over the Mayweather gym and knock a few lads about?

Without naming names Cox seemed to claim on twitter that he knocked out Badou Jack in sparring. Shudder to think what Jack would do to him in a real fight.

ive read that hes battered jack, groves, and degale (the degale of a few years ago). all the rumours seem very vaguely sourced.

jamamb wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 14:23 ive read that hes battered jack, groves, and degale (the degale of a few years ago). all the rumours seem very vaguely sourced.

Are fighters really meant to 'batter' opponents in sparring?

Is him 'battering' them just him being overly aggressive while they are just trying to practice?

im not sure any of those actually happened

there are certainly guys who go all out in sparring though, like there trying to score a ko

now imagine a cox vs charlie z sparring session

I've never liked this guy since the Obodai Sai fight. Which I'll admit is probably a bit harsh considering he isn't responsible for the incompetent/corrupt officials scoring that fight.

Aside from that, looking through his record, he doesn't have a win against anyone that's even British top 10, so talk of him fighting for world titles was just absurd to me

WestEndRiot wrote: ↑07 May 2018, 06:20 I've never liked this guy since the Obodai Sai fight. Which I'll admit is probably a bit harsh considering he isn't responsible for the incompetent/corrupt officials scoring that fight.

Aside from that, looking through his record, he doesn't have a win against anyone that's even British top 10, so talk of him fighting for world titles was just absurd to me

He is responsible for low blowing Sai over and over again.

He's a nasty thug.

Horse wrote: ↑07 May 2018, 06:36

WestEndRiot wrote: ↑07 May 2018, 06:20 I've never liked this guy since the Obodai Sai fight. Which I'll admit is probably a bit harsh considering he isn't responsible for the incompetent/corrupt officials scoring that fight.

Aside from that, looking through his record, he doesn't have a win against anyone that's even British top 10, so talk of him fighting for world titles was just absurd to me

He is responsible for low blowing Sai over and over again.

He's a nasty thug.

Mmmm. I do wonder what would have happened if Sai had started fouling him back - having since seen the evidence of how Cox texts when under pressure, I now suspect he would either have got himself disqualified or ended up quitting.

If he fought at his natural weight limit of light middle and hadn't of had as much out of the ring stuff going on a few years back he probably would of had a better career than he has

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/spor ... _Costello/

Doesn’t say promising. I really hope Ed gives him one more go

horndawg80 wrote: ↑07 May 2018, 08:16 http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/spor ... _Costello/

Doesn’t say promising. I really hope Ed gives him one more go

once again with the 'in the gym'

Horse wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 14:38

jamamb wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 14:23 ive read that hes battered jack, groves, and degale (the degale of a few years ago). all the rumours seem very vaguely sourced.

Are fighters really meant to 'batter' opponents in sparring?

Is him 'battering' them just him being overly aggressive while they are just trying to practice?

Also it's not saying what shape both fighters are in. One might just be starting camp whilst the other is just finishing

horndawg80 wrote: ↑07 May 2018, 08:16 http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/spor ... _Costello/

Doesn’t say promising. I really hope Ed gives him one more go

I’d be interested to know exactly when Cox realised he could hurt Ryder, because to me it didn’t look like he managed it at any point?

There was a lot of talk going back a couple of years of him being a monster in the gym. I believe there is some truth in the sparring stories.

His record screams a different tune though.

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑07 May 2018, 09:40

horndawg80 wrote: ↑07 May 2018, 08:16 http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/spor ... _Costello/

Doesn’t say promising. I really hope Ed gives him one more go

I’d be interested to know exactly when Cox realised he could hurt Ryder, because to me it didn’t look like he managed it at any point?