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apollo creed wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 13:56

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 13:40

apollo creed wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 13:36 Saunders likes to talk and hype himself by keep mentioning GGG's name to stay relevant. A true fighter that really wanted to fight GGG was Jacobs without demanding an obscene amount money. Another one was Lemieux who was a champion too.

You don't know how much Saunders wants. All you have to base your opinion on is the bûllshît claims of Abel Sanchez.

You're either a fûckîng imbecile or you're conveniently forgetting a blatantly obvious fact, which is that Saunders actually signed a contract to face GGG, but it was Golovkin that actually refused to take the bout.

Is this a tough objective truth of reality that you cannot comprehend or have I reminded you of something that you had conveniently "forgotten"?

Why are you so butthurt ?? You act like everyone on this forum is 'imbecile' and you're the Nostradamus of boxing. If you don't like the opinions of other posters from this forum then log off and crawl back under your rock.

Maybe you insulted his sister, cause that's what it sounds like. I can hear the tension crisping up.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 10:21

caldo2025 wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 08:26

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 07:52
I hold the same opinion. Just because GGG usually refrains from trash-talking that doesn't mean that his coach has to do it on his behalf. It annoys me to see Sanchez talk so much nonsense.

Sanchez doesn't seem to understand the WBC's rules.

Saunders has previously agreed to face GGG (as recently as last year) and he even signed the contract, but it was the Kazakh that turned the fight down, yet Sanchez is suddenly claiming the bout won't happen because the Brit wants "lottery money"? FFS!

Sanchez lies and I'm not entirely sure why, because those that follow the sport surely realise the nonsense he utters.

Speaking of uttering nonsensically, the hair across your ars over Abel Sanchez still? You're hilarious. You know why GGG and Abel had to decline that fight and so did BJS but punks like you two want to call it a legitimate offer. Joke.

For the record, I'm criticising Abel Sanchez, not GGG.

Saunders' accepted a bout against Golovkin and the Kazakh decided against taking it. Sanchez clearly refuses to acknowledge this.

A year or two prior, Saunders did previously decline an opportunity to face GGG, because he was offered less than Lemieux received.

Several years ago, before Saunders became a world champion, he said he wasn't ready to face Golovkin. And he was being honest about that. However, the Brit has improved significantly since then, whilst the Kazakh has declined slightly, so the situation has changed.

Abel Sanchez is now pretending that Saunders wants "lottery money" to face GGG, but the Brit did previously agree to face him. Also, no one at K2 or GGG Promotions has attempted to reschedule that fight, which means that Sanchez was talking FÛCKÎNG BÛLLSHÎT!!! So how the FÛCK does he know about Saunders' current payday demands?

Have we got to the point that fights are now being negotiated via FÛCKÎNG TELEPATHY?

You can't refute any of the above claims.

OH i can refute that garbage. Saunders comments about not being ready for GGG were also uttered while holding the MW Belt so right there, you are talking out of your ass and clouds anything else you attempt to say. I didn't have to read more than that part. Garbage.

PS-GGG is now one of the highest paid and most popular boxers on the earth. He won't take fights against fighters that won't bring in top dollar now so that's why there's no appeal in fighting BJS any more. Couple that with the fact that BJS is unrealiable with postponements and who knows when he'll NOT be ready to fight GGG again. Not worth the risk.

Right now it's all a money thing. BJS missed his boat hiding in the corner sucking his thumb. Don't blame Sanchez...BJS could have had the fight if he wanted it but he wasn't ready.

caldo2025 wrote: ↑08 May 2018, 06:58OH i can refute that garbage. Saunders comments about not being ready for GGG were also uttered while holding the MW Belt so right there, you are talking out of your ass and clouds anything else you attempt to say. I didn't have to read more than that part. Garbage.

PS-GGG is now one of the highest paid and most popular boxers on the earth. He won't take fights against fighters that won't bring in top dollar now so that's why there's no appeal in fighting BJS any more. Couple that with the fact that BJS is unrealiable with postponements and who knows when he'll NOT be ready to fight GGG again. Not worth the risk.

Right now it's all a money thing. BJS missed his boat hiding in the corner sucking his thumb. Don't blame Sanchez...BJS could have had the fight if he wanted it but he wasn't ready.

How does Abel Sanchez know about Billy Joe Saunders’ current payday demands when neither GGG Promotions nor K2 Promotions have attempted to reschedule a fight the Brit previously signed-up for last year, which Golovkin subsequently refrained from taking?

Have we got to the point that fights are now being negotiated via FÛCKÎNG TELEPATHY?

In regards to Saunders saying he wasn’t ready for Golovkin, he hasn’t said this for several years and the original point I articulated remains true, which was:

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 10:21… the Brit has improved significantly since then, whilst the Kazakh has declined slightly, so the situation has changed.

In terms of your perception about Saunders’ being unreliable and being responsible for postponements, do you really want to engage in an argument with me about this? If so, do some research to understand the facts before attempting to engage in a debate with me, because you’ll surely be surprised about what you’ll find out.

In my eyes, being injured twice during 2016, the Rosado, Canelo & Golovkin failed fight negotiations, coupled with the fact that Khurtsidze was arrested, in addition to the WBO procrastinating about whether the Brit was able to participate in a voluntary title defence or not, has ultimately hindered his career enormously.

Since the start of 2016, Billy Joe Saunders cannot possibly be blamed for the actions of GBP, K2, Khurtsidze, the WBO or even his own injuries.

oogiebe wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 14:25

apollo creed wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 13:56

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 13:40
You don't know how much Saunders wants. All you have to base your opinion on is the bûllshît claims of Abel Sanchez.

You're either a fûckîng imbecile or you're conveniently forgetting a blatantly obvious fact, which is that Saunders actually signed a contract to face GGG, but it was Golovkin that actually refused to take the bout.

Is this a tough objective truth of reality that you cannot comprehend or have I reminded you of something that you had conveniently "forgotten"?

Why are you so butthurt ?? You act like everyone on this forum is 'imbecile' and you're the Nostradamus of boxing. If you don't like the opinions of other posters from this forum then log off and crawl back under your rock.

Maybe you insulted his sister, cause that's what it sounds like. I can hear the tension crisping up.

Some guy with Russian accent sleeps with his mom, so he hates anybody speaking Russian and anybody cheering for them.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 May 2018, 07:07

caldo2025 wrote: ↑08 May 2018, 06:58OH i can refute that garbage. Saunders comments about not being ready for GGG were also uttered while holding the MW Belt so right there, you are talking out of your ass and clouds anything else you attempt to say. I didn't have to read more than that part. Garbage.

PS-GGG is now one of the highest paid and most popular boxers on the earth. He won't take fights against fighters that won't bring in top dollar now so that's why there's no appeal in fighting BJS any more. Couple that with the fact that BJS is unrealiable with postponements and who knows when he'll NOT be ready to fight GGG again. Not worth the risk.

Right now it's all a money thing. BJS missed his boat hiding in the corner sucking his thumb. Don't blame Sanchez...BJS could have had the fight if he wanted it but he wasn't ready.

How does Abel Sanchez know about Billy Joe Saunders’ current payday demands when neither GGG Promotions nor K2 Promotions have attempted to reschedule a fight the Brit previously signed-up for last year, which Golovkin subsequently refrained from taking?

Have we got to the point that fights are now being negotiated via FÛCKÎNG TELEPATHY?

In regards to Saunders saying he wasn’t ready for Golovkin, he hasn’t said this for several years and the original point I articulated remains true, which was:

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 10:21… the Brit has improved significantly since then, whilst the Kazakh has declined slightly, so the situation has changed.

In terms of your perception about Saunders’ being unreliable and being responsible for postponements, do you really want to engage in an argument with me about this? If so, do some research to understand the facts before attempting to engage in a debate with me, because you’ll surely be surprised about what you’ll find out.

In my eyes, being injured twice during 2016, the Rosado, Canelo & Golovkin failed fight negotiations, coupled with the fact that Khurtsidze was arrested, in addition to the WBO procrastinating about whether the Brit was able to participate in a voluntary title defence or not, has ultimately hindered his career enormously.

Since the start of 2016, Billy Joe Saunders cannot possibly be blamed for the actions of GBP, K2, Khurtsidze, the WBO or even his own injuries.

If i could be so bold as to point out a couple of things here. #1 i'm a fan of BJS and I am of the ilk of thought that he along with Charlo are 2 fighters within the division that could upset GGG. He's as slick a fighter as there is right now and you can call Lemieux a bum or whatever you want, BJS's performance in that fight was as perfect of a display of pure scientific boxing as i've ever seen.

#2 There doesn't always have to be an argument and perhaps that's why most people can't stand you. You can have an intelligent discourse without having the "hair draped across your balloon knot".

Yes, BJS has been victim to postponements but he's also been the cause of them. Since 2015, Billy Joe Saunders has postponed 4 fights himself. If you don't consider that to be excessive then you really don't understand what these fighters go through for preparations and what delays not only do to their prime but their wallets. He postponed against Andy Lee (Cut in training), Artur Akavov (Muscle injury), Max Bursak (Wrist Injury) and now against Martin Murray (Hand). These are just off the top of my head since 2015 while i'm sure that he's had more prior to as it seems to be his MO.

Now we aren't talking about a busy fighter here. BJS has only had 5 fights since 2015 and he's now postponed 4 out of 6 because of his doing. THAT'S EXCESSIVE and if you don't see that then you must be his Cousin.

If you were GGG in your twilight years with only 3 or 4 fights left would you EVER want to hook your wagon with BJS's with a history of lost wages and time staring you in the face? Never mind the fact that the fight wouldn't do as well as the other fights available to GGG that stand a better shot of actually happening once training camps begin.

If this "argument" were a fight, I wouldn't even have broken a sweat. That's a beatdown i just gave you.

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑08 May 2018, 09:48

oogiebe wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 14:25

apollo creed wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 13:56

Why are you so butthurt ?? You act like everyone on this forum is 'imbecile' and you're the Nostradamus of boxing. If you don't like the opinions of other posters from this forum then log off and crawl back under your rock.

Maybe you insulted his sister, cause that's what it sounds like. I can hear the tension crisping up.

Some guy with Russian accent sleeps with his mom, so he hates anybody speaking Russian and anybody cheering for them.

Nyet.

BJS and his promotor will probably be in a war of attrition with GGG and his team. As stated before, BJS will more than likely price himself too high, and especially pending where they can agree a fight takes place.

Along with the roadblock of other mandatories.

Ahh the fun politics of boxing.

caldo2025 wrote: ↑08 May 2018, 15:06

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 May 2018, 07:07

caldo2025 wrote: ↑08 May 2018, 06:58OH i can refute that garbage. Saunders comments about not being ready for GGG were also uttered while holding the MW Belt so right there, you are talking out of your ass and clouds anything else you attempt to say. I didn't have to read more than that part. Garbage.

PS-GGG is now one of the highest paid and most popular boxers on the earth. He won't take fights against fighters that won't bring in top dollar now so that's why there's no appeal in fighting BJS any more. Couple that with the fact that BJS is unrealiable with postponements and who knows when he'll NOT be ready to fight GGG again. Not worth the risk.

Right now it's all a money thing. BJS missed his boat hiding in the corner sucking his thumb. Don't blame Sanchez...BJS could have had the fight if he wanted it but he wasn't ready.

How does Abel Sanchez know about Billy Joe Saunders’ current payday demands when neither GGG Promotions nor K2 Promotions have attempted to reschedule a fight the Brit previously signed-up for last year, which Golovkin subsequently refrained from taking?

Have we got to the point that fights are now being negotiated via FÛCKÎNG TELEPATHY?

In regards to Saunders saying he wasn’t ready for Golovkin, he hasn’t said this for several years and the original point I articulated remains true, which was:

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 10:21… the Brit has improved significantly since then, whilst the Kazakh has declined slightly, so the situation has changed.

In terms of your perception about Saunders’ being unreliable and being responsible for postponements, do you really want to engage in an argument with me about this? If so, do some research to understand the facts before attempting to engage in a debate with me, because you’ll surely be surprised about what you’ll find out.

In my eyes, being injured twice during 2016, the Rosado, Canelo & Golovkin failed fight negotiations, coupled with the fact that Khurtsidze was arrested, in addition to the WBO procrastinating about whether the Brit was able to participate in a voluntary title defence or not, has ultimately hindered his career enormously.

Since the start of 2016, Billy Joe Saunders cannot possibly be blamed for the actions of GBP, K2, Khurtsidze, the WBO or even his own injuries.

If i could be so bold as to point out a couple of things here. #1 i'm a fan of BJS and I am of the ilk of thought that he along with Charlo are 2 fighters within the division that could upset GGG. He's as slick a fighter as there is right now and you can call Lemieux a bum or whatever you want, BJS's performance in that fight was as perfect of a display of pure scientific boxing as i've ever seen.

#2 There doesn't always have to be an argument and perhaps that's why most people can't stand you. You can have an intelligent discourse without having the "hair draped across your balloon knot".

Yes, BJS has been victim to postponements but he's also been the cause of them. Since 2015, Billy Joe Saunders has postponed 4 fights himself. If you don't consider that to be excessive then you really don't understand what these fighters go through for preparations and what delays not only do to their prime but their wallets. He postponed against Andy Lee (Cut in training), Artur Akavov (Muscle injury), Max Bursak (Wrist Injury) and now against Martin Murray (Hand). These are just off the top of my head since 2015 while i'm sure that he's had more prior to as it seems to be his MO.

Now we aren't talking about a busy fighter here. BJS has only had 5 fights since 2015 and he's now postponed 4 out of 6 because of his doing. THAT'S EXCESSIVE and if you don't see that then you must be his Cousin.

If you were GGG in your twilight years with only 3 or 4 fights left would you EVER want to hook your wagon with BJS's with a history of lost wages and time staring you in the face? Never mind the fact that the fight wouldn't do as well as the other fights available to GGG that stand a better shot of actually happening once training camps begin.

If this "argument" were a fight, I wouldn't even have broken a sweat. That's a beatdown i just gave you.

Have you got short-term memory issues, because if I recall correctly, you attacked me before I retaliated.

If you can't take it, then don't dish it out in the first place.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 May 2018, 16:33 Enlightened-One, who is currently on your ignore list, made this post.

Nobody gives a f*ck what you think.

i thought we knew that bjs was signed for a kazakstan fight, but then gggs side backed out because for the canelo fight to happen golden boy didnt want ggg to fight before then? or something like that

jamamb wrote: ↑08 May 2018, 18:50 i thought we knew that bjs was signed for a kazakstan fight, but then gggs side backed out because for the canelo fight to happen golden boy didnt want ggg to fight before then? or something like that

That's my understanding also, but for some reason GGG's die-hard fans insist that Saunders is ducking Golovkin, even though he signed-up for the fight.

Billy Joe actually attended the Canelo-GGG press conference and mocked Golovkin for losing his pen, which silenced Gennady's team, since they couldn't refute the Brit's claims. I even posted a video of this.

However, as I've said before, Abel Sanchez and GGG's die-hard fans continue to insist that Saunders is somehow "ducking" Golovkin.

Go figure?

My guess is that they're hoping that repeating the same lie often enough will eventually displace the truth to those lacking in intellect.

jamamb wrote: ↑08 May 2018, 18:50 i thought we knew that bjs was signed for a kazakstan fight, but then gggs side backed out because for the canelo fight to happen golden boy didnt want ggg to fight before then? or something like that

The money from Kazakh government wasn't readily available, so whatever BJS signed wasn't backed by money.

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑08 May 2018, 19:41

jamamb wrote: ↑08 May 2018, 18:50 i thought we knew that bjs was signed for a kazakstan fight, but then gggs side backed out because for the canelo fight to happen golden boy didnt want ggg to fight before then? or something like that

The money from Kazakh government wasn't readily available, so whatever BJS signed wasn't backed by money.

Post a link to this. I'd say please but you're not very courteous to me.

I thought you were going to doggedly maintain your previous lie when you tried to perpetuate a myth by claiming that Golovkin refused to accept the Saunders bout due to injury?

Do you have any more excuses that you can fabricate or should we simply pretend that Saunders is still "ducking" Golovkin?

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 May 2018, 16:33 Enlightened-One, who is currently on your ignore list, made this post.

Nobody gives a f*ck what you say.

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑08 May 2018, 19:57

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 May 2018, 16:33 Enlightened-One, who is currently on your ignore list, made this post.

Nobody gives a f*ck what you say.

You're very defensive? I guess your sensitive nature is due to you feeling vulnerable about your lies being exposed.

I ask simple questions, but they cause you great offence, because you're unable to answer them and defend your claims.

"Fŗank Warren calls out Gennady Golovkin's team on Twitter"

While Boxing delivers some fantastic fights, in some cases, sometimes it is the public negotiations which can create the most entertainment.

A case in point is the current dispute between the respective Gennady Golovkin and Billy Joe Saunders camps.

It has been said Golovkin is very keen to fight the unbeaten British WBO middleweight as he aims to own all of the recognised middleweight titles.

However, his trainer Abel Sanchez does not believe that is a fair chance of happening.

“Look, we know now that he’s never gonna be the unified champion,” he said, per Boxing Scene.

"Saunders is never gonna fight him because, like I said a little while ago, is looking for lottery money.

"He’s waiting for that opportunity and Saunders doesn’t wanna fight him.”

But Fŗank Warren, the promoter of Saunders, has reacted on Twitter disputing those claims.

He posted: "This is just simply not true!@bjsaunders_ signed his part of the contract to face @GGGBoxing in Kazakhstan last June and then GGG’s side wasn’t signed.

"If you are really serious about fighting for all the belts, get your promoter to call me and let’s get the fight made. FW."



For the record, Fŗank Warren also had to pay Avtandil Khurtsidze a six-figure step-aside fee, coupled with having to agree to stage a bout for the Georgian against Tommy Langford for the WBO interim title, in order to get him to agree to step aside to allow Billy Joe to face Gennady Golovkin instead, but the Kazakh ended-up “losing his pen”.

That’s how far Team Saunders’ went to try to orchestrate a bout between Billy Joe and Gennady, which doesn’t exactly sound like a fighter that is “ducking” someone, does it?

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 May 2018, 16:33

caldo2025 wrote: ↑08 May 2018, 15:06

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 May 2018, 07:07
How does Abel Sanchez know about Billy Joe Saunders’ current payday demands when neither GGG Promotions nor K2 Promotions have attempted to reschedule a fight the Brit previously signed-up for last year, which Golovkin subsequently refrained from taking?

Have we got to the point that fights are now being negotiated via FÛCKÎNG TELEPATHY?

In regards to Saunders saying he wasn’t ready for Golovkin, he hasn’t said this for several years and the original point I articulated remains true, which was:

In terms of your perception about Saunders’ being unreliable and being responsible for postponements, do you really want to engage in an argument with me about this? If so, do some research to understand the facts before attempting to engage in a debate with me, because you’ll surely be surprised about what you’ll find out.

In my eyes, being injured twice during 2016, the Rosado, Canelo & Golovkin failed fight negotiations, coupled with the fact that Khurtsidze was arrested, in addition to the WBO procrastinating about whether the Brit was able to participate in a voluntary title defence or not, has ultimately hindered his career enormously.

Since the start of 2016, Billy Joe Saunders cannot possibly be blamed for the actions of GBP, K2, Khurtsidze, the WBO or even his own injuries.

If i could be so bold as to point out a couple of things here. #1 i'm a fan of BJS and I am of the ilk of thought that he along with Charlo are 2 fighters within the division that could upset GGG. He's as slick a fighter as there is right now and you can call Lemieux a bum or whatever you want, BJS's performance in that fight was as perfect of a display of pure scientific boxing as i've ever seen.

#2 There doesn't always have to be an argument and perhaps that's why most people can't stand you. You can have an intelligent discourse without having the "hair draped across your balloon knot".

Yes, BJS has been victim to postponements but he's also been the cause of them. Since 2015, Billy Joe Saunders has postponed 4 fights himself. If you don't consider that to be excessive then you really don't understand what these fighters go through for preparations and what delays not only do to their prime but their wallets. He postponed against Andy Lee (Cut in training), Artur Akavov (Muscle injury), Max Bursak (Wrist Injury) and now against Martin Murray (Hand). These are just off the top of my head since 2015 while i'm sure that he's had more prior to as it seems to be his MO.

Now we aren't talking about a busy fighter here. BJS has only had 5 fights since 2015 and he's now postponed 4 out of 6 because of his doing. THAT'S EXCESSIVE and if you don't see that then you must be his Cousin.

If you were GGG in your twilight years with only 3 or 4 fights left would you EVER want to hook your wagon with BJS's with a history of lost wages and time staring you in the face? Never mind the fact that the fight wouldn't do as well as the other fights available to GGG that stand a better shot of actually happening once training camps begin.

If this "argument" were a fight, I wouldn't even have broken a sweat. That's a beatdown i just gave you.

Have you got short-term memory issues, because if I recall correctly, you attacked me before I retaliated.

If you can't take it, then don't dish it out in the first place.

So proving your whole premise wrong and changing your name to The Embarrased One and that's all you got for a reply? You CAN admit when you're wrong ya know. I remember 12 years ago when it happened to me. Just take it like a man and congratulate the winner like a good sport does.

caldo2025 wrote: ↑09 May 2018, 06:32

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 May 2018, 16:33

caldo2025 wrote: ↑08 May 2018, 15:06

If i could be so bold as to point out a couple of things here. #1 i'm a fan of BJS and I am of the ilk of thought that he along with Charlo are 2 fighters within the division that could upset GGG. He's as slick a fighter as there is right now and you can call Lemieux a bum or whatever you want, BJS's performance in that fight was as perfect of a display of pure scientific boxing as i've ever seen.

#2 There doesn't always have to be an argument and perhaps that's why most people can't stand you. You can have an intelligent discourse without having the "hair draped across your balloon knot".

Yes, BJS has been victim to postponements but he's also been the cause of them. Since 2015, Billy Joe Saunders has postponed 4 fights himself. If you don't consider that to be excessive then you really don't understand what these fighters go through for preparations and what delays not only do to their prime but their wallets. He postponed against Andy Lee (Cut in training), Artur Akavov (Muscle injury), Max Bursak (Wrist Injury) and now against Martin Murray (Hand). These are just off the top of my head since 2015 while i'm sure that he's had more prior to as it seems to be his MO.

Now we aren't talking about a busy fighter here. BJS has only had 5 fights since 2015 and he's now postponed 4 out of 6 because of his doing. THAT'S EXCESSIVE and if you don't see that then you must be his Cousin.

If you were GGG in your twilight years with only 3 or 4 fights left would you EVER want to hook your wagon with BJS's with a history of lost wages and time staring you in the face? Never mind the fact that the fight wouldn't do as well as the other fights available to GGG that stand a better shot of actually happening once training camps begin.

If this "argument" were a fight, I wouldn't even have broken a sweat. That's a beatdown i just gave you.

Have you got short-term memory issues, because if I recall correctly, you attacked me before I retaliated.

If you can't take it, then don't dish it out in the first place.

So proving your whole premise wrong and changing your name to The Embarrased One and that's all you got for a reply? You CAN admit when you're wrong ya know. I remember 12 years ago when it happened to me. Just take it like a man and congratulate the winner like a good sport does.

What precisely do you think you've disproved?

You submit lengthy posts, but most of it is sheer abuse, which kind of camouflages the pertinent points you’re trying to convey.

So let's start our debate from scratch, without insults, by telling me precisely what I’ve stated that you believe was factually-incorrect?

caldo2025 wrote: ↑09 May 2018, 06:32

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 May 2018, 16:33

caldo2025 wrote: ↑08 May 2018, 15:06

If i could be so bold as to point out a couple of things here. #1 i'm a fan of BJS and I am of the ilk of thought that he along with Charlo are 2 fighters within the division that could upset GGG. He's as slick a fighter as there is right now and you can call Lemieux a bum or whatever you want, BJS's performance in that fight was as perfect of a display of pure scientific boxing as i've ever seen.

#2 There doesn't always have to be an argument and perhaps that's why most people can't stand you. You can have an intelligent discourse without having the "hair draped across your balloon knot".

Yes, BJS has been victim to postponements but he's also been the cause of them. Since 2015, Billy Joe Saunders has postponed 4 fights himself. If you don't consider that to be excessive then you really don't understand what these fighters go through for preparations and what delays not only do to their prime but their wallets. He postponed against Andy Lee (Cut in training), Artur Akavov (Muscle injury), Max Bursak (Wrist Injury) and now against Martin Murray (Hand). These are just off the top of my head since 2015 while i'm sure that he's had more prior to as it seems to be his MO.

Now we aren't talking about a busy fighter here. BJS has only had 5 fights since 2015 and he's now postponed 4 out of 6 because of his doing. THAT'S EXCESSIVE and if you don't see that then you must be his Cousin.

If you were GGG in your twilight years with only 3 or 4 fights left would you EVER want to hook your wagon with BJS's with a history of lost wages and time staring you in the face? Never mind the fact that the fight wouldn't do as well as the other fights available to GGG that stand a better shot of actually happening once training camps begin.

If this "argument" were a fight, I wouldn't even have broken a sweat. That's a beatdown i just gave you.

Have you got short-term memory issues, because if I recall correctly, you attacked me before I retaliated.

If you can't take it, then don't dish it out in the first place.

So proving your whole premise wrong and changing your name to The Embarrased One and that's all you got for a reply? You CAN admit when you're wrong ya know. I remember 12 years ago when it happened to me. Just take it like a man and congratulate the winner like a good sport does.

Because your replies are so brief? LOL. The cliff notes on the exchange above is that you're dead wrong and BJS is a very unreliable fighter.

Your Claim: In terms of your perception about Saunders’ being unreliable and being responsible for postponements, do you really want to engage in an argument with me about this? If so, do some research to understand the facts before attempting to engage in a debate with me, because you’ll surely be surprised about what you’ll find out.

My FACTS: Since 2015, Billy Joe Saunders has postponed 4 fights himself. If you don't consider that to be excessive then you really don't understand what these fighters go through for preparations and what delays not only do to their prime but their wallets. He postponed against Andy Lee (Cut in training), Artur Akavov (Muscle injury), Max Bursak (Wrist Injury) and now against Martin Murray (Hand). These are just off the top of my head since 2015 while i'm sure that he's had more prior to as it seems to be his MO.
Now we aren't talking about a busy fighter here. BJS has only had 5 fights since 2015 and he's now postponed 4 out of 6 because of his doing.

So where exactly are you making me look foolish here? Just wondering so i know next time.

caldo2025 wrote: ↑09 May 2018, 06:56 My FACTS: Since 2015, Billy Joe Saunders has postponed 4 fights himself. If you don't consider that to be excessive then you really don't understand what these fighters go through for preparations and what delays not only do to their prime but their wallets. He postponed against Andy Lee (Cut in training), Artur Akavov (Muscle injury), Max Bursak (Wrist Injury) and now against Martin Murray (Hand). These are just off the top of my head since 2015 while i'm sure that he's had more prior to as it seems to be his MO.
Now we aren't talking about a busy fighter here. BJS has only had 5 fights since 2015 and he's now postponed 4 out of 6 because of his doing.

So where exactly are you making me look foolish here? Just wondering so i know next time.

Very good post except that you are arguing with a brick. None of one's arguments get into it.

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑09 May 2018, 09:36

caldo2025 wrote: ↑09 May 2018, 06:56 My FACTS: Since 2015, Billy Joe Saunders has postponed 4 fights himself. If you don't consider that to be excessive then you really don't understand what these fighters go through for preparations and what delays not only do to their prime but their wallets. He postponed against Andy Lee (Cut in training), Artur Akavov (Muscle injury), Max Bursak (Wrist Injury) and now against Martin Murray (Hand). These are just off the top of my head since 2015 while i'm sure that he's had more prior to as it seems to be his MO.
Now we aren't talking about a busy fighter here. BJS has only had 5 fights since 2015 and he's now postponed 4 out of 6 because of his doing.

So where exactly are you making me look foolish here? Just wondering so i know next time.

Very good post except that you are arguing with a brick. None of one's arguments get into it.

I’ll concede that Billy Joe Saunders suffered four minor injuries over the last four years, which resulted in three of his bouts being delayed by up to a couple of months, mainly due to TV scheduling rather than the duration of the injuries themselves.

Within the same timeframe though, Saunders has had failed negotiations or had fights fallen through with the likes of Andy Lee (due to injury) Canelo Alvarez (twice), Gennady Golovkin (twice) Avtandil Khurtsidze, Gabriel Rosado, Chris Eubank Jr. and even David Lemieux previously claimed that he was disinterested in facing the Brit (claiming he had bigger fish to fry, even though he was the mandatory).

Even Demetrius Andrade, the WBO’s highest-ranked challenger, has stated that he’s not yet ready to face Billy Joe Saunders.

I'll give you some examples:
• Saunders had agreed terms and also signed the contracts to face Golovkin and also engage in a rematch against Chris Eubank Jr., but his opponents declined to sign them.
• Queensberry promotions had agreed the terms of a two-fight deal for Saunders to face Canelo, but GBP reneged on the contract.
• Queensberry agreed to pay a six-figure step-aside fee to Khurtsidze, coupled with having to agree to stage a bout for the Georgian against Tommy Langford for the WBO interim title, to allow Saunders to face Golovkin, but GGG refused to sign the contract. When Saunders eventually signed-up to face Khurtsidze, Avtandil ended up withdrawing from the bout due getting locked-up.
• Andy Lee withdrew from a title defence against Saunders, due to suffering a shoulder injury
• The list goes-on-and-on…

Saunders also had to endure a period of inactivity, because the WBO took time deciding whether the Brit was allowed to participate in a voluntary defence of his title, due to Khurtsidze withdrawing from the bout.

None of these situations were caused by Saunders or his team.

It's funny how Roy Jones Jr having beaten Hopkins years ago wasn't considered a good enough reason not to fight him when Hopkins had improved. But some comments Saunders made years ago are perfectly good enough for him not to face Saunders, when Saunders has clearly improved.

BitPlayer wrote: ↑10 May 2018, 05:52 It's funny how Roy Jones Jr having beaten Hopkins years ago wasn't considered a good enough reason not to fight him when Hopkins had improved. But some comments Saunders made years ago are perfectly good enough for him not to face Saunders, when Saunders has clearly improved.

I doubt that many people think things through. They just like to be spontaneously critical about certain situations that they may not even understand.

I’m pretty sure that (if asked today) Joe Joyce would openly admit that he’s not ready to fight Anthony Joshua right now, but people from this forum would maintain that he should be held to his word for the remainder of his life, even though the Olympic silver medallist is likely to improve significantly within the next few years or so.

Can you imagine in 2021, when Joe is deemed as being a top-ten world-rated heavyweight, many moronic people from this forum will doggedly maintain that Joyce "isn’t ready to face Joshua" and was "ducking" his fellow Brit, simply because he said wasn’t good enough to do so three years prior? How fúckíng stupid is that sort of mindset?

The same idiotic logic seems to be applied to Saunders also, because many of these morons honestly believe that time stands still, people can’t improve, their so-called “heroes” cannot decline and no one is allowed to ever change their minds!