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the_doctor wrote: ↑11 May 2018, 04:10 Wow. I've read a lot of self-important, patronising posts in my time, but this one is up there

I disagree fundamentally that 16 shows a year will saturate the market. Its barely one a month.

Of course it depends on the quality of the product. As I say, if he can't sign the names he needs, it won't work. But if he can, there is a realistic prospect of monthly, quality world title fights and solid undercards.

His deal with Sky in the UK is 16-20 per year and, as I say, the casual fan is lapping it up. Its never been bigger in this country. The US is riddled with promotional disputes, TV disputes - eliminate those and you have a much better chance of making the fights fans want to see.

You either have reading comprehension issues, or you're reading 3 or 4 random lines at a time.

I clearly mentioned this and the numerous other promotions out there, collectively leads to oversaturation.

16 events from 1 company (who's attention is already divided between an equal or greater number of events in the UK), plus the same number of events from 3 or more others companies. We're stuck with somewhere between 40-60 cards a year....in the US alone.

That's 1 card every week, but you can bet its not going to be a title fight or eliminator or superfight every week. And if it is, its going to be 1 decent headliner supported by a garbage undercard (and we already have too many PBC and GBP cards with garbage undercards). That is the oversaturation I'm talking about. Sh-t cards ruin the entire fun of boxing, and for fans to witness that multiple times across a month or two nevermind across a year, that will create a boxing CRASH.

But again, it depends on the quality of the product.

If there are 50 shows available on platforms A, B and C but they're mostly shit, then 20 shows available on platform D that are of interest, people will tune in to D and ignore A, B and C.

I'm sure US TV is similar to here - we have hundreds of shows between Sky, Netflix, Amazon etc, most of them are shit. But nobody is complaining about saturation of the market -they're tuning in by the millions to the best shows and ignoring the crap.

Again, we can go over details, but I just fundamentally disagree that 16 more shows = over-saturation = less interest in boxing

This is where it gets worse. Platform D will never be the THE place for the best boxing. The good boxing events will be spread out. A couple good shows on HBO and rest crap. Couple good shows on SHO the rest crap. A couple good shows on HearnTV and the rest crap, and you can bet a few other platforms will enter the mix. Its going to frustrate the fans.

I'm speaking based on what I've seen with the UFC, and that's just one company and is easy to follow. Their cards are now all subpar. Boxing is not easy to follow, and being spread out on multiple platforms and promotions, and then to multiply the output of shows, its going to be worse off. The young generation isn't going to even bother with it anymore, they're going to watch MMA where you can get 4 fights in 2 hours than watch a boxing card where the avg fight takes an hour on its own. You're always going to get a couple entertaining MMA fights because they're so short. But if a boxing event is boring, it is one of the worst feelings on earth for people.

I've made all my points. But this is what I foresee, IF this is the direction the sport goes.

I'm not sure the current set up has long to go, it won't necessarily be about all these versions running concurrently and leading to over saturation , it's about a shift in the way sports are broadcast as a whole; and more importantly, how affordable it is to watch what you want to watch, without paying over the odds, for what adds up to a tiny percentage of what you actually want to see.

DA1 wrote: ↑11 May 2018, 04:38 I've made all my points. But this is what I foresee, IF this is the direction the sport goes.

See, it's much better to discuss points than try and make things personal. You think one thing, I think another.

Just a difference of opinion, that's all, nothing worth getting agitated about

the_doctor wrote: ↑11 May 2018, 04:43 See, it's much better to discuss points than try and make things personal. You think one thing, I think another.

Just a difference of opinion, that's all, nothing worth getting agitated about

You started it with "The mental arithmetic you've had to go through" making it personal,

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑11 May 2018, 04:59

I'd like to see him sign a couple Russian and Asian fighters.
That's one thing I like about HBO and Top Rank, they have a diverse range of weight divisions and nationalities. Unlike Showtime/PBC who literally don't have a single Asian fighter, almost no Russians or Central-Asians (except when they're brought in for a mandatory), and just ALL North American fighters.

I wanna see the next GGGs and Lomas and Inoue's of the world, and the best fighters from all over not just one corner of the planet. This is a big reason why I find so many PBC cards to be uninteresting. Its like watching reruns.

How many Japanese/Thai fights have been FOTY contenders? Its every year.. Then when you take a step back and realize PBC/SHO does not have a SINGLE Asian fighter....they practically have a ban on Asians!

Should be great for prospects coming through & local journeymen.

NxtGen & Prize fighter US coming soon?

DA1 wrote: ↑11 May 2018, 16:33Then when you take a step back and realize PBC/SHO does not have a SINGLE Asian fighter....they practically have a ban on Asians!

As of the 17th December, 2017, the PBC website listed 161 fighters from 25 countries, with at least the following boxers technically classed as “Asian” (or their native countries have territories in Asia):

• Tomoki Kameda
• Beibut Shumenov
• Amir Khan
• Tugstsogt Nyambayar
• Sergey Lipinets
• Vanes Martirosyan

Would it be ludicrous of me to claim that for Mikey Garcia's most recent outing, televised by Showtime, was against an opponent that was not only born in Asia, but was also a fellow PBC stablemate?

You can’t accuse the PBC or Showtime of being racist.

You should retract that statement, since you clearly don't know what you're talking about!

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑26 Jun 2018, 12:21

DA1 wrote: ↑11 May 2018, 16:33Then when you take a step back and realize PBC/SHO does not have a SINGLE Asian fighter....they practically have a ban on Asians!

As of the 17th December, 2017, the PBC website listed 161 fighters from 25 countries, with at least the following boxers technically classed as “Asian” (or their native countries have territories in Asia):

• Tomoki Kameda
• Beibut Shumenov
• Amir Khan
• Tugstsogt Nyambayar
• Sergey Lipinets
• Vanes Martirosyan

Would it be ludicrous of me to claim that for Mikey Garcia's most recent outing, televised by Showtime, was against an opponent that was not only born in Asia, but was also a fellow PBC stablemate?

You can’t accuse the PBC or Showtime of being racist.

You should retract that statement, since you clearly don't know what you're talking about!

I "think" he means Asian as in Eastern Asians, China/Japan/etc. Most people forget how big Asia is and what countries are a part of it. If they really do have Tomoki, I think it was just for the McDonnell fights. Which was 3 years ago.

Khan was born in the UK, so it doesn't make sense to even list him. That would be like somebody asking for an African fighter and they brought in Wilder.

Still, they do have some fighters from Asia, not many, but a few. I can agree that they need more diversity on their roster.

armageto wrote: ↑26 Jun 2018, 19:21

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑26 Jun 2018, 12:21

DA1 wrote: ↑11 May 2018, 16:33Then when you take a step back and realize PBC/SHO does not have a SINGLE Asian fighter....they practically have a ban on Asians!

As of the 17th December, 2017, the PBC website listed 161 fighters from 25 countries, with at least the following boxers technically classed as “Asian” (or their native countries have territories in Asia):

• Tomoki Kameda
• Beibut Shumenov
• Amir Khan
• Tugstsogt Nyambayar
• Sergey Lipinets
• Vanes Martirosyan

Would it be ludicrous of me to claim that for Mikey Garcia's most recent outing, televised by Showtime, was against an opponent that was not only born in Asia, but was also a fellow PBC stablemate?

You can’t accuse the PBC or Showtime of being racist.

You should retract that statement, since you clearly don't know what you're talking about!

I "think" he means Asian as in Eastern Asians, China/Japan/etc. Most people forget how big Asia is and what countries are a part of it.

Khan was born in the UK, so it doesn't make sense to even list him. That would be like somebody asking for an African fighter and they brought in Wilder.

Still, they do have some fighters from Asia, not many, but a few. I can agree that they need more diversity on their roster.

DA1 should either learn geography or research the factual accuracy of his claims prior to making them.

The PBC does have Eastern Asian fighters and I even listed one.

Is the PBC's roster of 165 fighters from 25 countries not considered diverse in comparison to the roster of fighters from Top Rank, GBP, Matchroom, K2, Main Events, Sauerland, Queensberry etc?

Amir Khan's parents are from Pakistan, his brother represented Pakistan in the Olympics, he speaks their native tongue, he owns property there, he operates charities there, he spends a lot of time there, he also wanted to represent Pakistan in the Olympics and he considers himself as a British Pakistani.

DA1 articulated a fûckîng bûllshît derogatory claim, so please don't try to defend him, because what I wrote is FACT!

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑26 Jun 2018, 19:52

armageto wrote: ↑26 Jun 2018, 19:21

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑26 Jun 2018, 12:21
As of the 17th December, 2017, the PBC website listed 161 fighters from 25 countries, with at least the following boxers technically classed as “Asian” (or their native countries have territories in Asia):

• Tomoki Kameda
• Beibut Shumenov
• Amir Khan
• Tugstsogt Nyambayar
• Sergey Lipinets
• Vanes Martirosyan

Would it be ludicrous of me to claim that for Mikey Garcia's most recent outing, televised by Showtime, was against an opponent that was not only born in Asia, but was also a fellow PBC stablemate?

You can’t accuse the PBC or Showtime of being racist.

You should retract that statement, since you clearly don't know what you're talking about!

I "think" he means Asian as in Eastern Asians, China/Japan/etc. Most people forget how big Asia is and what countries are a part of it.

Khan was born in the UK, so it doesn't make sense to even list him. That would be like somebody asking for an African fighter and they brought in Wilder.

Still, they do have some fighters from Asia, not many, but a few. I can agree that they need more diversity on their roster.

DA1 should either learn geography or research the factual accuracy of his claims prior to making them.

The PBC does have Eastern Asian fighters and I even listed one.

Is the PBC's roster of 165 fighters from 25 countries not considered diverse in comparison to the roster of fighters from Top Rank, GBP, Matchroom, K2, Main Events, Sauerland, Queensberry etc?

DA1 articulated a fûckîng bûllshît derogatory claim, so please don't try to defend him, because what I wrote is FACT!

Again man, I think he meant Eastern Asian fighters. Which they have Kameda, who fought on their show 3 years ago. So in reality, they don't have him aside those two fights.

The best part is.....who cares really?!?! Did you really care, which I guess you did, to search and bring up a month and a half year old thread?

armageto wrote: ↑26 Jun 2018, 19:57

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑26 Jun 2018, 19:52

armageto wrote: ↑26 Jun 2018, 19:21

I "think" he means Asian as in Eastern Asians, China/Japan/etc. Most people forget how big Asia is and what countries are a part of it.

Khan was born in the UK, so it doesn't make sense to even list him. That would be like somebody asking for an African fighter and they brought in Wilder.

Still, they do have some fighters from Asia, not many, but a few. I can agree that they need more diversity on their roster.

DA1 should either learn geography or research the factual accuracy of his claims prior to making them.

The PBC does have Eastern Asian fighters and I even listed one.

Is the PBC's roster of 165 fighters from 25 countries not considered diverse in comparison to the roster of fighters from Top Rank, GBP, Matchroom, K2, Main Events, Sauerland, Queensberry etc?

DA1 articulated a fûckîng bûllshît derogatory claim, so please don't try to defend him, because what I wrote is FACT!

Again man, I think he meant Eastern Asian fighters. Which they have Kameda, who fought on their show 3 years ago. So in reality, they don't have him aside those two fights.

The best part is.....who cares really?!?! Did you really care, which I guess you did, to search and bring up a month and a half year old thread?

I care because a blatantly ignorant uneducated person accused both the PBC and Showtime of being anti-Asian... when they clearly have several ASIANS in their roster.

DA1 made a bûllshît claim and you're a moron for supporting him and proposing a counter argument that is mostly fictional, but also fails to reflect the DA1's actual fûckîng words!

FFS! DA1 said that there wasn't a SINGLE Asian fighter in the PBC/ Showtime roster and that all Asians were practically banned!

But who the fûck did Mikey Garcia fight in his last outing?

Stop ignoring questions that you can't answer!

Even DA1 won't respond to my post, because he knows he's fûckèd up!

I've listed several Eastern, Southern and Central Asian PBC fighters that have all appeared on Showtime.

If someone doesn't know anything about Asia, then they shouldn't be fûckîng talking about it like DA1 did.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑26 Jun 2018, 20:05

armageto wrote: ↑26 Jun 2018, 19:57

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑26 Jun 2018, 19:52
DA1 should either learn geography or research the factual accuracy of his claims prior to making them.

The PBC does have Eastern Asian fighters and I even listed one.

Is the PBC's roster of 165 fighters from 25 countries not considered diverse in comparison to the roster of fighters from Top Rank, GBP, Matchroom, K2, Main Events, Sauerland, Queensberry etc?

DA1 articulated a fûckîng bûllshît derogatory claim, so please don't try to defend him, because what I wrote is FACT!

Again man, I think he meant Eastern Asian fighters. Which they have Kameda, who fought on their show 3 years ago. So in reality, they don't have him aside those two fights.

The best part is.....who cares really?!?! Did you really care, which I guess you did, to search and bring up a month and a half year old thread?

I care because a blatantly ignorant uneducated person accused both the PBC and Showtime of being anti-Asian... when they clearly have several ASIANS in their roster.

DA1 made a bûllshît claim and you're a moron for supporting him and proposing a counter argument that is mostly fictional, but also fails to reflect the DA1's actual fûckîng words!

FFS! DA1 said that there wasn't a SINGLE Asian fighter in the PBC/ Showtime roster and that all Asians were practically banned!

But who the fûck did Mikey Garcia fight in his last outing?

Stop ignoring questions that you can't answer!

Even DA1 won't respond to my post, because he knows he's fûckèd up!

I've listed several Eastern, Southern and Central Asian PBC fighters that have all appeared on Showtime.

Again, I think he meant Asian fighters as in Eastern Asian fighters. If he didn't, he's wrong. If he did, he's right because they currently don't have any, to my knowledge.

Just the fact you brought up and reseached a month and a half old thread is worrisome. To each their own, have fun wasting your life on Boxrec my man!

armageto wrote: ↑26 Jun 2018, 20:15

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑26 Jun 2018, 20:05

armageto wrote: ↑26 Jun 2018, 19:57

Again man, I think he meant Eastern Asian fighters. Which they have Kameda, who fought on their show 3 years ago. So in reality, they don't have him aside those two fights.

The best part is.....who cares really?!?! Did you really care, which I guess you did, to search and bring up a month and a half year old thread?

I care because a blatantly ignorant uneducated person accused both the PBC and Showtime of being anti-Asian... when they clearly have several ASIANS in their roster.

DA1 made a bûllshît claim and you're a moron for supporting him and proposing a counter argument that is mostly fictional, but also fails to reflect the DA1's actual fûckîng words!

FFS! DA1 said that there wasn't a SINGLE Asian fighter in the PBC/ Showtime roster and that all Asians were practically banned!

But who the fûck did Mikey Garcia fight in his last outing?

Stop ignoring questions that you can't answer!

Even DA1 won't respond to my post, because he knows he's fûckèd up!

I've listed several Eastern, Southern and Central Asian PBC fighters that have all appeared on Showtime.

Again, I think he meant Asian fighters as in Eastern Asian fighters. If he didn't, he's wrong. If he did, he's right because they currently don't have any, to my knowledge.

Just the fact you brought up and reseached a month and a half old thread is worrisome. To each their own, have fun wasting your life on Boxrec my man!

Another ignorant person previously claimed that the PBC roster was exclusively black or hispanic, but then I listed more than 30 fighters that that weren't from those demographics.

It only took one minute to quote an extract of this post.

That's the thing you see... people make sweeping ignorant statements and then they become upset when someone exposes their blatant lack of knowledge.

You can't defend DA1's words. He either doesn't know anything about Asia or the sport of boxing... it's as simple as that.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑26 Jun 2018, 20:27

armageto wrote: ↑26 Jun 2018, 20:15

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑26 Jun 2018, 20:05
I care because a blatantly ignorant uneducated person accused both the PBC and Showtime of being anti-Asian... when they clearly have several ASIANS in their roster.

DA1 made a bûllshît claim and you're a moron for supporting him and proposing a counter argument that is mostly fictional, but also fails to reflect the DA1's actual fûckîng words!

FFS! DA1 said that there wasn't a SINGLE Asian fighter in the PBC/ Showtime roster and that all Asians were practically banned!

But who the fûck did Mikey Garcia fight in his last outing?

Stop ignoring questions that you can't answer!

Even DA1 won't respond to my post, because he knows he's fûckèd up!

I've listed several Eastern, Southern and Central Asian PBC fighters that have all appeared on Showtime.

Again, I think he meant Asian fighters as in Eastern Asian fighters. If he didn't, he's wrong. If he did, he's right because they currently don't have any, to my knowledge.

Just the fact you brought up and reseached a month and a half old thread is worrisome. To each their own, have fun wasting your life on Boxrec my man!

Another ignorant person previously claimed that the PBC roster was exclusively black or hispanic, but then I listed more than 30 fighters that that weren't from those demographics.

It only took one minute to quote an extract of this post.

That's the thing you see... people make sweeping ignorant statements and then they become upset when someone exposes their blatant lack of knowledge.

You can't defend DA1's words. He either doesn't know anything about Asia or the sport of boxing... it's as simple as that.

Again, I'm not defending him. I simply said I think he meant, which if you look at his whole post, Asians as Eastern Asian fighters. Again, I really don't to care. Honestly don't. Not one bit. This is like when you got angry when somebody agreed with me, and went off the deep end. It's Boxrec. It's really not worth the time to visit the current scene because of idiotic posters and trolls. Don't join the problem man....

Anyhow, it appears AJ vs Povetlin will be streamed in Sept..assuming that fight happens. I have ESPN +, which isn't too bad for the $5. I was going to do beta testing for Dazn, until they wanted a credit card. F you guys, who needs a credit card to beta test?!?

They either have to offer a lot of content outside of boxing, or charge very low, or I'm not interested. Not that I don't have the money, just sick of contributing more money to the sport. Showtime/HBO at least give me other things to watch and the ESPN app is nicely priced.

I won't be wasting my money on this.

armageto wrote: ↑26 Jun 2018, 20:31Again, I'm not defending him. I simply said I think he meant, which if you look at his whole post, Asians as Eastern Asian fighters. Again, I really don't to care. Honestly don't. Not one bit. This is like when you got angry when somebody agreed with me, and went off the deep end. It's Boxrec. It's really not worth the time to visit the current scene because of idiotic posters and trolls. Don't join the problem man....

I’ll concede that my responses to your posts were a tad harsh, but in my defence, you were defending DA1’s words without understanding his track-record.

When DA1 wrote the following sentence:

• “PBC/SHO does not have a SINGLE Asian fighter....they practically have a ban on Asians!”

He fúckíng meant it!

Someone cannot accuse two organisations of being institutionally racist against Asians, if they themselves are racially-ignorant (since he doesn’t even understand where Asia is), coupled with the fact that he clearly made no attempt whatsoever to determine whether or not the PBC or Showtime actually had any Asian fighters amongst their roster.

There’s a reason why DA1 refuses to defend his stance against the PBC and Showtime… and it’s because he knows he fũckĕd up, but doesn’t want to admit it!

armageto wrote: ↑26 Jun 2018, 19:21

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑26 Jun 2018, 12:21

DA1 wrote: ↑11 May 2018, 16:33Then when you take a step back and realize PBC/SHO does not have a SINGLE Asian fighter....they practically have a ban on Asians!

As of the 17th December, 2017, the PBC website listed 161 fighters from 25 countries, with at least the following boxers technically classed as “Asian” (or their native countries have territories in Asia):

• Tomoki Kameda
• Beibut Shumenov
• Amir Khan
• Tugstsogt Nyambayar
• Sergey Lipinets
• Vanes Martirosyan

Would it be ludicrous of me to claim that for Mikey Garcia's most recent outing, televised by Showtime, was against an opponent that was not only born in Asia, but was also a fellow PBC stablemate?

You can’t accuse the PBC or Showtime of being racist.

You should retract that statement, since you clearly don't know what you're talking about!

I "think" he means Asian as in Eastern Asians, China/Japan/etc. Most people forget how big Asia is and what countries are a part of it. If they really do have Tomoki, I think it was just for the McDonnell fights. Which was 3 years ago.

Khan was born in the UK, so it doesn't make sense to even list him. That would be like somebody asking for an African fighter and they brought in Wilder.

Still, they do have some fighters from Asia, not many, but a few. I can agree that they need more diversity on their roster.

Amir Khan is British, and under Hearn.

Shumenov hasn't fought for them in years.

Kameda hasn't fought for them in years.

Martirosyan is American. (Armenia is technically in Asia but I'm not talking about Armenians who are well represented in western promotions.)


I'm not talking about strictly race or geography here. My complaint is that foreign fighters from Asia or East Europe are usually brought in only when they hold a title, so that one of PBC's own guys can win it from them. Then they're promptly discarded because they're seen as of no use. Lipinets and Zhakiyanov are two examples.

Boxing has had this problems for decades, but it's time for a change. The other promoters have changed but not PBC for some reason. Western promoters wouldn't even sign Central Asian fighters until recently (after GGG blew up) despite Kazakh and Uzbek fighters dominating amateur boxing for decades (and being free to sign since the fall of the USSR).

Indonesian fighter Chris John is considered one of the greatest Featherweight champions, defended 18 times throughout the 2000s to 2013. Was only ever brought to the US twice against Rocky Juarez and Derrick Gainer, 4 years apart. Beat both men, Juarez twice, and we never saw from him again. He wasn't useful anymore. Yet, he went on to defend his belt 6 and 7 times, respectively. GGG almost became the second him, if it wasn't for Loeffler and HBO.


PBC does not have fighters from Asia except when they're brought in to lose their belt.

Where are the Japanese, Thais and Central Asians in the stable? A couple random one-off fights isn't enough.

They just signed Pacquiao, great. But he's been a mainstay in US boxing for over a decade. Where are the others?? The one's who are actually prospects or trying to catch a break! I want to see young vibrant talent, the best the world has to offer, not when Mikey Garcia or Raushe Warren are trying to win a belt from someone they'll never show again afterwards.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑26 Jun 2018, 20:05

armageto wrote: ↑26 Jun 2018, 19:57 Again man, I think he meant Eastern Asian fighters. Which they have Kameda, who fought on their show 3 years ago. So in reality, they don't have him aside those two fights.

The best part is.....who cares really?!?! Did you really care, which I guess you did, to search and bring up a month and a half year old thread?

I care because a blatantly ignorant uneducated person accused both the PBC and Showtime of being anti-Asian... when they clearly have several ASIANS in their roster.

DA1 made a bûllshît claim and you're a moron for supporting him and proposing a counter argument that is mostly fictional, but also fails to reflect the DA1's actual fûckîng words!

FFS! DA1 said that there wasn't a SINGLE Asian fighter in the PBC/ Showtime roster and that all Asians were practically banned!

But who the fûck did Mikey Garcia fight in his last outing?

Stop ignoring questions that you can't answer!

Even DA1 won't respond to my post, because he knows he's fûckèd up!

I've listed several Eastern, Southern and Central Asian PBC fighters that have all appeared on Showtime.

If someone doesn't know anything about Asia, then they shouldn't be fûckîng talking about it like DA1 did.

I did not say they were "anti Asian".....I said they "practically have a ban on them" because their roster is completely void of them.

Where are the Asian fighters? I know HBO had a lot of Asian and Eastern European fighters in their last 3 years. PBC doesn't have any.


Pointing out a few fighters that fought for them twice when they held a belt or were a mandatory isn't a rebuttal. Pointing out British-Asian and Armenian-Amerian fighters isn't a rebuttal.

I'm very well versed in geography (history is one of my passions). The fact that you're bringing GEOGRAPHY up to bring forth TECHNICALITIES shows you know you're in the wrong. Since you're so well versed in it, might want to check out Britain isn't in Asia.

You mentioned half a dozen fighters. Half of them were from the West, the other half fought for them like 2 times. Yeah, that's enough fights to fill up one card.


PBC is heavily Americentric. It almost exclusively deals with North American fighters, and you rarely (that's the key word here) see Asians or even East Europeans. But at least the other Western promoters/networks are showing the latter love, I would still like to see more Asian fighters. SHO isn't doing enough, and PBC isn't even trying.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑26 Jun 2018, 12:21

DA1 wrote: ↑11 May 2018, 16:33Then when you take a step back and realize PBC/SHO does not have a SINGLE Asian fighter....they practically have a ban on Asians!

As of the 17th December, 2017, the PBC website listed 161 fighters from 25 countries, with at least the following boxers technically classed as “Asian” (or their native countries have territories in Asia):

• Tomoki Kameda
• Beibut Shumenov
• Amir Khan
• Tugstsogt Nyambayar
• Sergey Lipinets
• Vanes Martirosyan

Would it be ludicrous of me to claim that for Mikey Garcia's most recent outing, televised by Showtime, was against an opponent that was not only born in Asia, but was also a fellow PBC stablemate?

You can’t accuse the PBC or Showtime of being racist.

You should retract that statement, since you clearly don't know what you're talking about!

I can't deal with your level of stupidity.

DA1 wrote: ↑31 Oct 2018, 18:22

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑26 Jun 2018, 20:05

armageto wrote: ↑26 Jun 2018, 19:57 Again man, I think he meant Eastern Asian fighters. Which they have Kameda, who fought on their show 3 years ago. So in reality, they don't have him aside those two fights.

The best part is.....who cares really?!?! Did you really care, which I guess you did, to search and bring up a month and a half year old thread?

I care because a blatantly ignorant uneducated person accused both the PBC and Showtime of being anti-Asian... when they clearly have several ASIANS in their roster.

DA1 made a bûllshît claim and you're a moron for supporting him and proposing a counter argument that is mostly fictional, but also fails to reflect the DA1's actual fûckîng words!

FFS! DA1 said that there wasn't a SINGLE Asian fighter in the PBC/ Showtime roster and that all Asians were practically banned!

But who the fûck did Mikey Garcia fight in his last outing?

Stop ignoring questions that you can't answer!

Even DA1 won't respond to my post, because he knows he's fûckèd up!

I've listed several Eastern, Southern and Central Asian PBC fighters that have all appeared on Showtime.

If someone doesn't know anything about Asia, then they shouldn't be fûckîng talking about it like DA1 did.

I did not say they were "anti Asian".....I said they "practically have a ban on them" because their roster is completely void of them.

Where are the Asian fighters? I know HBO had a lot of Asian and Eastern European fighters in their last 3 years. PBC doesn't have any.


Pointing out a few fighters that fought for them twice when they held a belt or were a mandatory isn't a rebuttal. Pointing out British-Asian and Armenian-Amerian fighters isn't a rebuttal.

I'm very well versed in geography (history is one of my passions). The fact that you're bringing GEOGRAPHY up to bring forth TECHNICALITIES shows you know you're in the wrong. Since you're so well versed in it, might want to check out Britain isn't in Asia.

You mentioned half a dozen fighters. Half of them were from the West, the other half fought for them like 2 times. Yeah, that's enough fights to fill up one card.


PBC is heavily Americentric. It almost exclusively deals with North American fighters, and you rarely (that's the key word here) see Asians or even East Europeans. But at least the other Western promoters/networks are showing the latter love, I would still like to see more Asian fighters. SHO isn't doing enough, and PBC isn't even trying.

The PBC does have Asian fighters and I even listed half a dozen of them. And regardless of your skewed perception of things, the men I listed are fȕck¡ng Asian - the PBC isn't "completely void of them".

The PBC doesn't "practically have a ban on them" and it would be utter nonsense to suggest otherwise. FFS! Mikey Garcia fought an Asian fighter earlier in the year! The PBC have recently added another Asian fighter to their roster, a particularly famous one in fact that goes by the name of Manny Pacquiao!

Al Haymons' fighters, in general, have been quite inactive as of late, but this is likely to change (due to the PBC's newly-signed deals with Showtime & Fox), so expect to see the entire roster, which includes Asians, competing more often.

Is the PBC's roster of 165 fighters from 25 countries not considered diverse in comparison to the roster of fighters from Top Rank, GBP, Matchroom, K2, Main Events, Sauerland, Queensberry etc?

You can’t accuse the PBC of being racist, without fact-checking!

You really need to learn more about geography and also perform some research about the PBC if you're going to attempt to debate this subject matter with someone like me, because I'll call you on your fȕck¡ng racist bȕllsh¡t claims!