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Posted: **13 May 2018, 00:12**

NateJR wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 00:00
lazboy wrote: ↑12 May 2018, 23:55 Think he’s still as special as he was. He got dropped...which can happen when you’re being so offensive, moving in on a lager target...And it’s boxing...don’t really see a overall weakness at all...just a small lapse.

Garcia’s a great fighter and lovely to watch. Wondering if he has the speed to beat lomachenko. Linares did well with super fast combos...I see Garcia’s as more of a measured precise power puncher..doesn’t let his hands go as freely as linares would.

Anyway would love to watch it...clearly Garcia has the power factor over both loma and linares.
I agree with what you're saying to a degree. But when Garcia starts to touch Lomachenko with precise counters, will Lomachenko himself tread more lighly on the offense? Normally when fighters move up in weight their offense drops because they focus more on their defense. There are exceptions, but Garcia is a special fighter as well.

I still believe Lomachenko is a fantastic fighter. I don't believe he's quite what some have claimed he is and never have.

I lost a two paragraph reply ffs haha. Anyway. I agree with what you are saying. I’ll say it quickly now...how will loma react to the power as you were saying and my thing...foot speed coupled with angles. But the counter puncher mikes has great timing, he could catch loma darting in. Very tough to predict. This would be the best fight in boxing next to Spence Crawford imo.

Posted: **13 May 2018, 00:19**

NateJR wrote: ↑12 May 2018, 23:55
Evander wrote: ↑12 May 2018, 23:44 Mikey Garcia has the style but does he have the willingness to go all out for 12 should that be the need ?
Knowing the Mexicans I think he will.
I'll find it hard to believe the Mexicans won't be thinking of giving rounds up and letting the scorecards get beyond them, they'll know and prepare for that.
There's a line up starting for Lomachenko.
Is Lomachenko willing to go through Garcia's fire is just as big of a question. Garcia is the bigger man and is a bigger, more precise puncher and counter puncher than Linares.

I also believe Garcia is tough as nails, I've never once seen him show any type of quit in him. Same with Lomachenko, neither guy comes off as someone who is going to quit.

His last fight wasn't a cake walk.

Posted: **13 May 2018, 00:22**

Garcia looked tired in some of those rounds against Lipnets and took heat.

Posted: **13 May 2018, 00:22**

By the way, Garcia is a lot more talented than Linares. It's pretty much a fact. Garcia wouldn't have struggled and put on a beatdown on Linares.

Posted: **13 May 2018, 00:24**

Evander wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 00:22 Garcia looked tired in some of those rounds against Lipnets and took heat.

Lipinets is massive compared to Lomachenko and Linares and had to walk through hell to even survive. By the way, Mikey is small for 140 lbs., so of course, he'll look human.

Posted: **13 May 2018, 00:24**

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 00:22 By the way, Garcia is a lot more talented than Linares. It's pretty much a fact. Garcia wouldn't have struggled and put on a beatdown on Linares.

so maybe garcia is more talented then loma

Posted: **13 May 2018, 00:28**

jamamb wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 00:24
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 00:22 By the way, Garcia is a lot more talented than Linares. It's pretty much a fact. Garcia wouldn't have struggled and put on a beatdown on Linares.
so maybe garcia is more talented then loma

No, they're both experts at their respective craft. As I said, they're each other's p4p contemporaries.

Posted: **13 May 2018, 00:30**

Loma vs Garcia at 135 is a toss up.

Loma a little quicker and better defensively. Garcia stronger and a better banger.

Lomachenko deserved his win tonight but he struggled at times and looked human.

I wonder now if TR will be eager to move him up in weight again to face Pacquiao this year.

Lomachenko would appear to need time to adjust to 135 before he considers another jump in weight.

Posted: **13 May 2018, 00:32**

What did you make of the Lomachenko knockdown ?

Posted: **13 May 2018, 00:33**

imo loma isnt well suited for 135. hes smaller vs all the top guys, and sometimes way smaller

Posted: **13 May 2018, 00:35**

jamamb wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 00:33 imo loma isnt well suited for 135. hes smaller vs all the top guys, and sometimes way smaller

Lands a lot of punches though doesn't he ?

Posted: **13 May 2018, 00:39**

Evander wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 00:32 What did you make of the Lomachenko knockdown ?

I don’t think it’s a major issue. Loma is a human, he was darting forward (I believe), focused on the offence. What matters is how he recovered, he had a very big round not the one after but the one after that. He made a full mental and physical recovery.

Posted: **13 May 2018, 00:46**

It was a straight punch up the pipe with the right hand.

Posted: **13 May 2018, 00:47**

the knockdown i dont think he was hurt, more like he was getting a bit cocky (he was starting to run away with it) and he came forward with his hands down and the shot kind of pushed him back onto his ass

Posted: **13 May 2018, 00:52**

Maybe

Posted: **13 May 2018, 00:57**

Evander wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 00:46 It was a straight punch up the pipe with the right hand.

Oh ok I thought it was a leg kick.

Posted: **13 May 2018, 01:02**

It just goes to show an everyday shot can put you down if your not concentrating.

Posted: **13 May 2018, 01:07**

Evander wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 00:32 What did you make of the Lomachenko knockdown ?

he walked into it.

he has to come in to get to big guys.

he ever gets hung out on the end of a big guys jab and he is going to walk into more.

Posted: **13 May 2018, 01:08**

Oh ok that’s what you were saying. Generally though a straight right hand Is a long lean boxers hardest punch imo and especially if lomachenko was moving forward on to it...it’s gonna sting.

Posted: **13 May 2018, 01:10**

Evander wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 01:02 It just goes to show an everyday shot can put you down if your not concentrating.

Absolutely. It was a flash knockdown. It's not a consistent flaw. And if it was starting to become one, Loma seems disciplined enough to remedy it after tonight.

Posted: **13 May 2018, 01:11**

sometimes knockdowns dont actually hurt, just like someone can push you down with a hard shove (without it scrambling your senses), a punch can do the same. that was sort of how i saw it

he lapsed and walked onto it. he was at a point where he was starting to really walk linares down and open up, but thenlinares turned things a bit with NV the kd

Posted: **13 May 2018, 01:11**

lazboy wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 01:08 Oh ok that’s what you were saying. Generally though a straight right hand Is a long lean boxers hardest punch imo and especially if lomachenko was moving forward on to it...it’s gonna sting.

when you chase a guy around you are going to run into shots.

Posted: **13 May 2018, 01:15**

Yuzo wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 01:11
lazboy wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 01:08 Oh ok that’s what you were saying. Generally though a straight right hand Is a long lean boxers hardest punch imo and especially if lomachenko was moving forward on to it...it’s gonna sting.
when you chase a guy around you are going to run into shots.

Exactly if you’re a offensive fighter...you’re gonna get hit from time to time. The best offensive but defensive fighters I have seen are lomachenko and pernell Whitaker. Honestly can’t think of many more than that.

Posted: **13 May 2018, 01:17**

jamamb wrote: ↑13 May 2018, 01:11 sometimes knockdowns dont actually hurt, just like someone can push you down with a hard shove (without it scrambling your senses), a punch can do the same. that was sort of how i saw it

he lapsed and walked onto it. he was at a point where he was starting to really walk linares down and open up, but thenlinares turned things a bit with NV the kd

Linares body shots ... Lomachenko had a clear reaction to them.

Posted: **13 May 2018, 01:18**

i thought he took them fine

i read that linares was 152 to lomas 138

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