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Re: If Hughie Vacates
Posted: 16 May 2018, 13:13
by tobyh5
Joyce is criminally underrated on this forum. 4 fight novice yes, but surely we are better than that and can look past it. I have no doubt in my mind the Furys are avoiding the Joyce fight as far too likely he will be ripped to shreds
Re: If Hughie Vacates
Posted: 16 May 2018, 13:15
by Horse
tobyh5 wrote: ↑16 May 2018, 13:11Price vacated after having the shite kicked out of him, twice, as I said which was the right decision.
Who was his mandatory? Chisora?
He never won the title outright, so I don't think it was clearly the right decision.
Re: If Hughie Vacates
Posted: 16 May 2018, 13:17
by theboxingmadman
tiny_acres wrote: ↑16 May 2018, 13:05
theboxingmadman wrote: ↑16 May 2018, 13:02
tiny_acres wrote: ↑16 May 2018, 12:56
Risk vs reward. I'm sure if team Joyce comes up with an astronomical figure Hughie would accept.
But the fight doesn't sell and couldn't draw enough for a huge purse
I get the risk Vs reward debate, but where does Fury go next?
He will probably go after the alphabet groups regional titles to gain a high rating.
He's looking for a world title and not going to settle for domestic belts.
It's a shame
I don't think that Hennessy will be able to provide the high calibre opponents that Hughie's talent deserves.
Peter says Hughie is the "uncrowned heavyweight champ of the world". He'll stay uncrowned if he doesn't get the big fights and if his father continues to protect him as he does.
Re: If Hughie Vacates
Posted: 16 May 2018, 13:22
by tobyh5
Horse wrote: ↑16 May 2018, 13:15
tobyh5 wrote: ↑16 May 2018, 13:11Price vacated after having the shite kicked out of him, twice, as I said which was the right decision.
Who was his mandatory? Chisora?
He never won the title outright, so I don't think it was clearly the right decision.
Ok, IMO it was the right decision as he needed rebuilding and confidence restoring.
Re: If Hughie Vacates
Posted: 16 May 2018, 13:28
by Horse
tobyh5 wrote: ↑16 May 2018, 13:22Ok, IMO it was the right decision as he needed rebuilding and confidence restoring.
Yeah, but unless he had to fight someone as good as Chisora, then beating a few lower top 10 domestic opponents for the British title would have been a good way to restore confidence.
All he did instead was give up his title and fight a bunch of uninteresting journeymen for two years.
How did beating nobodies that no one cared about rebuild his confidence?
Re: If Hughie Vacates
Posted: 16 May 2018, 13:30
by Belaqua
I long for the golden days of Scott Gammer Vs Mickey Steeds
Re: If Hughie Vacates
Posted: 16 May 2018, 13:30
by tobyh5
Horse wrote: ↑16 May 2018, 13:28
tobyh5 wrote: ↑16 May 2018, 13:22Ok, IMO it was the right decision as he needed rebuilding and confidence restoring.
Yeah, but unless he had to fight someone as good as Chisora, then beating a few lower top 10 domestic opponents for the British title would have been a good way to restore confidence.
All he did instead was give up his title and fight a bunch of uninteresting journeymen for two years.
How did beating nobodies that no one cared about rebuild his confidence?
Possibly would have been a better route yeah but I understand why it was the decision they took. TBH I do not think anything would rebuild his confidence, subsequent years and now having the ability to be wise after the event allows us to see the fragility of Pricey
Re: If Hughie Vacates
Posted: 16 May 2018, 13:37
by Belaqua
tobyh5 wrote: ↑16 May 2018, 13:11
I said the last decade, hence did not refer to Williams previous .
Williams lost the title to Chisora in 2010
Re: If Hughie Vacates
Posted: 16 May 2018, 13:44
by tobyh5
Belaqua wrote: ↑16 May 2018, 13:37
tobyh5 wrote: ↑16 May 2018, 13:11
I said the last decade, hence did not refer to Williams previous .
Williams lost the title to Chisora in 2010
Which I mentioned in my first post.
Again, I was writing about the last decade and so did not refer to his previous reign as it was further back.
Re: If Hughie Vacates
Posted: 16 May 2018, 15:11
by ElJefe
Joyce was vocal about wanting to fight Hughie for it. Not sure if that was a case of wanting the belt, wanting Hughie's name on his record, or both. Hopefully it was the first or third and he fights for the vacant title. Wouldn't surprise me if they went through Whyte, Chisora, Dubois, Gorman etc and they all turned it down. I think Warren maybe puts Gorman in with him but there's no chance that he risks Dubois. Price might take it. He seemed to have a bit of a "who gives a fvck, I just want to fight" vibe about him after the Povetkin defeat.
Re: If Hughie Vacates
Posted: 16 May 2018, 15:14
by Coco
I dont think Either Fury or Joyce would be interested in fighting each other at this point.
It would be a step up for Gorman or Dubois.
Tyson, Chisora, Whyte or Haye wouldn't be interested in taking a step back unless the money was big enough..
I think Price would be interested.
And of course Sexton or Cornish would jump at getting back in the mix.
Re: If Hughie Vacates
Posted: 16 May 2018, 15:15
by jamamb
wouldnt be surprised at joyce vs webb. webb isnt a young guy being built up and hes not doing bigger things. they fought in the ams
Re: If Hughie Vacates
Posted: 16 May 2018, 22:02
by KiwiRider
Belaqua wrote: ↑16 May 2018, 12:26
Pete implied that because Joyce has only had four fights he doesn't deserve a fight with 'uncrowned world Champion' Hughie.
#ShadesOfChutney
Nice one!
It does have a whiff of the mallard about it.
Re: If Hughie Vacates
Posted: 17 May 2018, 04:22
by African Monkey
jamamb wrote: ↑16 May 2018, 15:15
wouldnt be surprised at joyce vs webb. webb isnt a young guy being built up and hes not doing bigger things. they fought in the ams
Sounds likely, or maybe Dave Allen gets another shot. Either way, it'll be Joyce v someone way down the pecking order. Maybe Kash Ali?
Re: If Hughie Vacates
Posted: 17 May 2018, 04:34
by ozzy1875
African Monkey wrote: ↑17 May 2018, 04:22
jamamb wrote: ↑16 May 2018, 15:15
wouldnt be surprised at joyce vs webb. webb isnt a young guy being built up and hes not doing bigger things. they fought in the ams
Sounds likely, or maybe Dave Allen gets another shot. Either way, it'll be Joyce v someone way down the pecking order. Maybe Kash Ali?
Dave Allen doesn't have any business being near the British title. Made his name off social media before losing to Dillian Whyte and Luis Ortiz and then he has an utter stinker against Lenroy Thomas. Again, an opportunity he didn't exactly deserve, but blew because he came in completely out of shape.
Allen needs to go away and actually beat somebody who is relatively relevant. Not, David Howe or Tom Dallas.
Re: If Hughie Vacates
Posted: 17 May 2018, 04:50
by African Monkey
ozzy1875 wrote: ↑17 May 2018, 04:34
African Monkey wrote: ↑17 May 2018, 04:22
jamamb wrote: ↑16 May 2018, 15:15
wouldnt be surprised at joyce vs webb. webb isnt a young guy being built up and hes not doing bigger things. they fought in the ams
Sounds likely, or maybe Dave Allen gets another shot. Either way, it'll be Joyce v someone way down the pecking order. Maybe Kash Ali?
Dave Allen doesn't have any business being near the British title. Made his name off social media before losing to Dillian Whyte and Luis Ortiz and then he has an utter stinker against Lenroy Thomas. Again, an opportunity he didn't exactly deserve, but blew because he came in completely out of shape.
Allen needs to go away and actually beat somebody who is relatively relevant. Not, David Howe or Tom Dallas.
I fully agree but it wouldn't suprise me at he same time if he gained another shot due to so many other candidates turning it down.
Re: If Hughie Vacates
Posted: 17 May 2018, 05:54
by Stuarty
Plenty good fights to be made in a healthy domestic division. Hopefully all the contenders are actually willing to get it on! That's the main obstacle.
Re: If Hughie Vacates
Posted: 17 May 2018, 07:47
by TaveD
I don't really see the point in Hughie vacating... yet.
He's not going to get a world title shot in the next few years and guys with rankings aren't going to fight him unless they are paid handsomely. He's a fighter that will be avoided, not because he is the amazing un-crowned world champion but because he is nearly impossible to look good against and the win (if they won) would do nothing for them career-wise.
Hughie would be better off fighting guys at a lower level (for now) who are genuinely coming to win and take the belt from him. He needs to get some aggression and become more of a "fighter" if he wants to progress. I don't want to use "toughen up" but I think that can be used here, just.
Re: If Hughie Vacates
Posted: 17 May 2018, 07:54
by bripez
TaveD wrote: ↑17 May 2018, 07:47
I don't really see the point in Hughie vacating... yet.
He's not going to get a world title shot in the next few years and guys with rankings aren't going to fight him unless they are paid handsomely. He's a fighter that will be avoided, not because he is the amazing un-crowned world champion but because he is nearly impossible to look good against and the win (if they won) would do nothing for them career-wise.
Hughie would be better off fighting guys at a lower level (for now) who are genuinely coming to win and take the belt from him. He needs to get some aggression and become more of a "fighter" if he wants to progress. I don't want to use "toughen up" but I think that can be used here, just.
I agree on all points.
Some good fights to be made - Chisora, Price, Gorman, Joyce, Dubois - and that is just in this country.
I bet none of these fights get made though.
Re: If Hughie Vacates
Posted: 17 May 2018, 07:59
by Crease
TaveD wrote: ↑17 May 2018, 07:47
I don't really see the point in Hughie vacating... yet.
He's not going to get a world title shot in the next few years
Hughie would be better off fighting guys at a lower level (for now) who are genuinely coming to win and take the belt from him.
I agree with these statements. I don't think it would do Fury any harm at all to take on 3 defenses and win the Lonsdale Belt outright. Whilst he's taking the 12-15 months to do that, the Heavyweight division should clear itself up.
Re: If Hughie Vacates
Posted: 17 May 2018, 08:21
by ElJefe
What 5 fights would people put together at domestic level then? Assuming Whyte, Chisora, Price etc don't want to drop back down and taking into consideration whats realistic and whats not i.e. FW won't be doing Dubois vs Gorman just yet.
Hughie Fury vs Joe Joyce (British and Commonwealth titles)
Nathan Gorman vs Sam Sexton (British title eliminator)
Nick Webb vs Gary Cornish (British title eliminator)
Daniel Dubois vs Dave Allen (English title)
Kash Ali vs Sean Turner
Something along those lines would be decent. Then Gorman vs Webb assuming that they both win. Could move Dubois onto Cornish or Sexton if they both lose etc.
Re: If Hughie Vacates
Posted: 17 May 2018, 09:00
by Weirdyman
Belaqua wrote: ↑16 May 2018, 11:50
I think Danny Williams was the last one to win the belt outright?
Price won it vs McDermott, then defended against Sexton, Harrison and Skelton.
Re: If Hughie Vacates
Posted: 17 May 2018, 09:03
by Tuan_Jim
Belaqua wrote: ↑16 May 2018, 13:30
I long for the golden days of Scott Gammer Vs Mickey Steeds
Not to mention the Mike Holden/Julius Francis trilogy
Re: If Hughie Vacates
Posted: 17 May 2018, 09:17
by Horse
Weirdyman wrote: ↑17 May 2018, 09:00Price won it vs McDermott, then defended against Sexton, Harrison and Skelton.
The McDermott fight was for the English title.
Re: If Hughie Vacates
Posted: 18 May 2018, 18:41
by ewenhay
ElJefe wrote: ↑17 May 2018, 08:21
What 5 fights would people put together at domestic level then? Assuming Whyte, Chisora, Price etc don't want to drop back down and taking into consideration whats realistic and whats not i.e. FW won't be doing Dubois vs Gorman just yet.
Hughie Fury vs Joe Joyce (British and Commonwealth titles)
Nathan Gorman vs Sam Sexton (British title eliminator)
Nick Webb vs Gary Cornish (British title eliminator)
Daniel Dubois vs Dave Allen (English title)
Kash Ali vs Sean Turner
Something along those lines would be decent. Then Gorman vs Webb assuming that they both win. Could move Dubois onto Cornish or Sexton if they both lose etc.
Why would Price and Chisora be dropping down to fight Hughie Fury for the British title? what are these lofty heights they are currently campaigning at?