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With all of the divisions in boxing it's difficult to squeeze MMA into the schedule, can't say I know much about the sport although if you were to mention certain names I may have heard of the odd one.
The position I stand on with MMA is how the sport and it's fighters affect us, example being if there's another Connor McGregor waiting in the wings to challenge one of our guys in boxing then I would go over and take a look at who the individual is.
Other than that I'm too preoccupied with following boxing, I enjoy our sport and through the ups and downs I've stayed loyal and have no intentions of going anywhere else.
Boxing is certainly on the uptick, sometime ago I said that there would be some serious investment in the sport and was laughed at, after the recent 1 billion dollar deal I think it puts to sleep any of the naysayers who speculated otherwise.

sweetviolenturge wrote: ↑22 May 2018, 12:53

candyslim wrote: ↑22 May 2018, 03:36

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑21 May 2018, 17:13

There's plenty of dull high profile boxing matches, Mayweather v Pacman anyone? Would you call that an edifying spectacle?

I wouldn't deny it but when I watch a boxing match I'm expecting to be entertained, and sometimes I'm disappointed

I've not seen a great deal of MMA but I've found myself watching and thinking that if they would just quit the rolling around on the floor getting nowhere, stop the repetetive shin kicking, and actually hit each other with fists then things might liven up a little.

That's just me. Many people love it and fair play to them.

I'm somewhat surprised that after years of newaza that you don't have a bit more appreciation for the ground game. But, like you said, to each their own, my friend.
Myself, right from the beginning I've been fascinated with the position & submission game. Especially when it involves high level Jiu jitsu players/grapplers. I can appreciate someone like a Khabib or a Brian Ortega just as much as I can the best strikers in MMA or the best punchers in boxing.

Oh I greatly appreciate Ne-Waza in Judo but that's Judo. I'm sure you could argue MMA being mixed martial arts encompasses groundwork techniques and rightly so, but when guys are wearing gloves I'm psychologically in boxing mode. Maybe that's illogical but I can't help that.

I am a fan of the UFC but not even close to the level of Boxing. Comparatively speaking, I'd say that I buy 40% of the UFC PPV events per year while i'll buy 100% of Boxing's HBO, SHO, etc PPV events per year.

A huge UFC fight is just as fantastic in terms of entertainment and build up but some MMA tactics bore me and end up killing a good fight to me. For example, I'd love to see the UFC make those low leg kicks illegal. I'm not a purist of the sport obviously. lol. The kicks just seem so feminine to me and bush league. Here you've got these 2 chiseled combatants talking about killing each other and they square off and kick each other like girls. Can't watch it. The worst part is those accumulated kicks make a huge difference so I know its an effective shot, I just don't think it's some fighters should ever do.

I've never seen a bar fight with 2 guys giving each other lower leg kicks. lol. That would be hilarious though

I hate MMA. I like kickboxing though

candyslim wrote: ↑23 May 2018, 03:31

sweetviolenturge wrote: ↑22 May 2018, 12:53

candyslim wrote: ↑22 May 2018, 03:36

I wouldn't deny it but when I watch a boxing match I'm expecting to be entertained, and sometimes I'm disappointed

I've not seen a great deal of MMA but I've found myself watching and thinking that if they would just quit the rolling around on the floor getting nowhere, stop the repetetive shin kicking, and actually hit each other with fists then things might liven up a little.

That's just me. Many people love it and fair play to them.

I'm somewhat surprised that after years of newaza that you don't have a bit more appreciation for the ground game. But, like you said, to each their own, my friend.
Myself, right from the beginning I've been fascinated with the position & submission game. Especially when it involves high level Jiu jitsu players/grapplers. I can appreciate someone like a Khabib or a Brian Ortega just as much as I can the best strikers in MMA or the best punchers in boxing.

Oh I greatly appreciate Ne-Waza in Judo but that's Judo. I'm sure you could argue MMA being mixed martial arts encompasses groundwork techniques and rightly so, but when guys are wearing gloves I'm psychologically in boxing mode. Maybe that's illogical but I can't help that.

Hey, no worries, slim. I'm OCD about enough things in my life to not give others a hard time about their own idiosyncrasies. Lol.

caldo2025 wrote: ↑23 May 2018, 06:42 I am a fan of the UFC but not even close to the level of Boxing. Comparatively speaking, I'd say that I buy 40% of the UFC PPV events per year while i'll buy 100% of Boxing's HBO, SHO, etc PPV events per year.

A huge UFC fight is just as fantastic in terms of entertainment and build up but some MMA tactics bore me and end up killing a good fight to me. For example, I'd love to see the UFC make those low leg kicks illegal. I'm not a purist of the sport obviously. lol. The kicks just seem so feminine to me and bush league. Here you've got these 2 chiseled combatants talking about killing each other and they square off and kick each other like girls. Can't watch it. The worst part is those accumulated kicks make a huge difference so I know its an effective shot, I just don't think it's some fighters should ever do.

I've never seen a bar fight with 2 guys giving each other lower leg kicks. lol. That would be hilarious though

Hey, we all like what we like & don't what we don't.
But, as you've already admitted, those kicks to the lower legs are terribly effective at taking the pins out from under a fighter. Having trained with leg kicks myself for several years I didn't think there was anything more effective at doing so than a good shin to the meat of an opponent's thigh but believe it or not those sweeping kicks to the side of the calf accomplish it even faster & they hurt like hell. Plus they're more difficult to check.

kickboxing is actually the most consistently entertaing i find. has the best war to fight ratio , though i dont follow it nearly as close as boxing and i prefer the kickboxing orgs with less clinch heavy rules.

i went to a show several years back and in the very first fight some chick came out straight away with a spinning back kick that made the loudest smack i ever heard and had her opponent twitching for a 5 second ko. ppl call kicks sissy but even the women can ktfo you with a kick and many a boxer trying kickboxing has been totally bamboozled by them



mma can be fun but well behind the purely stand up sports to me

Nah. It's mildly interesting to me though. Probably i just don't know enough about it. It's much less corrupt than boxing though i think.

I must confess I am a hard-core MMA fan first and foremost and came over to boxrec because I also love boxing. No hate to either MMA or boxing as I love most combat sports.

I was the most avid boxing fan for well over 10 years. Then I started watching the UFC in 2006. By 2007 I was just as much an MMA fan as I was a boxing fan. Within the past couple years, my interest in MMA has surpassed boxing.

MMA, the UFC AND Bellator primarily, offers a much better product than boxing. Great matchups happen very frequently. I love it.

MMA

Not my cup of tea.

I used to prefer "MMA" at one point but that was years ago and I wouldn't consider MMA as the fighters generally came from one fighting background or another and they would be put up against each other to see which one was more effective and I also liked the factor it wasn't just a punching match which I thought Boxing was at the time but if anything I prefered Pride over UFC as you was allowed therm to do all the moves that was considered illegal in UFC and at that point of time I felt like it simulated a real fight more which is funny as i feel the opposite to that now though Pride sold its assets to UFC but they ended up changing an just being a MMA contest and it wasn't as appealing and ended up losing interest.

When I got a bit older I realised that Boxing wasn't just a punching match and there was a lot more to it, obviously that part is still in UFC but I've never really ever found ground work entertaining unless it was some ground and pounding so I gravitated to Boxing more and that's not even going into Dana White selling out the company.

And now the current scene in UFC as Connor McGregor has made the most money I feel like everyone is trying to copy him to try sell the fight's so it just comes across like everyone has no respect for one another and I like to see respectful fighters, I even came across a Joe Rogan podcast and he was talking about these fighters being to nice. Which I don't understand as I felt it was refreshing to see in a scene that appeared to be so egotistical.

Though I did watch Micheal "Venom" Page's fight tonight and he really did show he was the MVP but I don't see why Bellator and UFC are seperate I think they should be able to fight in both and just act as sanctioning bodies like there is in Boxing.

David Haye keeps hinting at Micheal "Venom" Page boxing again but hes been on Joe Joyce's undercards a few times just to be removed before the fights. I do hope to see him in either the cage or the ring as he is a very entertaining fighter.

Not interested in anything other than boxing.

RandomUsername wrote: ↑26 May 2018, 01:18 I believe that those who are interested in MMA either live an openly gay lifestyle or still have not come out of the closet. I do not think that those people should follow boxing.

Well, I believe that those who are adverse to watching MMA because of the grappling involved are uncomfortable watching said grappling because it secretly arouses them. So, like all homophobes, they put on strong anti-gay fronts while actually being quite homosexual themselves. Therefore, my friend, it's obviously you that reside in the closet.

RandomUsername wrote: ↑26 May 2018, 07:05

sweetviolenturge wrote: ↑26 May 2018, 03:30

RandomUsername wrote: ↑26 May 2018, 01:18 I believe that those who are interested in MMA either live an openly gay lifestyle or still have not come out of the closet. I do not think that those people should follow boxing.

Well, I believe that those who are adverse to watching MMA because of the grappling involved are uncomfortable watching said grappling because it secretly arouses them. So, like all homophobes, they put on strong anti-gay fronts while actually being quite homosexual themselves. Therefore, my friend, it's obviously you that resides in the closet.

I am not homophobic, infact I believe that I am probably the least homophobic person on this forum. Nothing I wrote was homophobic in any way.

Whatever, dude.
If you don't want people to infer things about you then perhaps you shouldn't make sweeping blanket statements about sports that you obviously know absolutely nothing about.

sweetviolenturge wrote: ↑26 May 2018, 03:30

RandomUsername wrote: ↑26 May 2018, 01:18 I believe that those who are interested in MMA either live an openly gay lifestyle or still have not come out of the closet. I do not think that those people should follow boxing.

Well, I believe that those who are adverse to watching MMA because of the grappling involved are uncomfortable watching said grappling because it secretly arouses them. So, like all homophobes, they put on strong anti-gay fronts while actually being quite homosexual themselves. Therefore, my friend, it's obviously you that reside in the closet.

I like MMA when there's enough boxing in it.
McCregor essentially used a lot of boxing. Wonder how Bruce would have done in MMA.
I have a feeling that worlds top martial artsist are not MMA fighers but some crazy kung fu dudes from places like China.
Plus all that ground game can be nullified when you can bite n stuff. So MMA is not really ultimate fighting.
The kicking is also not at the highest level. The things McCregor sometimes does is not somthing that you can not get away with some top level black belt karate or gun fu master.

cultus wrote: ↑26 May 2018, 18:09 I like MMA when there's enough boxing in it.
McCregor essentially used a lot of boxing. Wonder how Bruce would have done in MMA.
I have a feeling that worlds top martial artsist are not MMA fighers but some crazy kung fu dudes from places like China.
Plus all that ground game can be nullified when you can bite n stuff. So MMA is not really ultimate fighting.
The kicking is also not at the highest level. The things McCregor sometimes does is not somthing that you can not get away with some top level black belt karate or gun fu master.

Not to contradict you, my friend, but you really are mistaken when it comes to the abilities of "top-level black belts or gung fu masters" would be able to do against world-class MMA fighters. I can assure you that as someone who has trained in various martial arts for the past 43 years, has a black belt in Kajukenbo Kempo & who was a pro boxer that there are no magical black belts or monks from China that can beat the best professional fighters in the world. This is real life, not the movies.
I don't mean to insult your intelligence, I'm just telling you the truth. Hollywood & the Asian martial arts movie industry has fooled generations of folks into believing many, many myths over the years. I'm not about to attempt to dispell them all but just suffice it to say that there are no supermen.

Not a fan of MMA.
I can understand why people are though, all the holding and having heads locked between thighs, satisfying latent homosexual yearnings. Not my scene, and I try not to judge.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑26 May 2018, 20:41 Not a fan of MMA.
I can understand why people are though, all the holding and having heads locked between thighs, satisfying latent homosexual yearnings. Not my scene, and I try not to judge.

Again, I maintain that if someone can't watch two men grappling without automatically thinking homoerotic thoughts then they're the ones who're dealing with latent gay issues.

Couldn't care less about MMA these days. If people think the HW division is bad in boxing(and it is), it's even worse in MMA. Stopped caring once the shitty women's division got so much hype from Rousey, despite the horrific skill level. I was on the edge before then, but that whole fiasco was the final nail for me.

RandomUsername wrote: ↑27 May 2018, 19:05

sweetviolenturge wrote: ↑26 May 2018, 21:43

KiwiRider wrote: ↑26 May 2018, 20:41 Not a fan of MMA.
I can understand why people are though, all the holding and having heads locked between thighs, satisfying latent homosexual yearnings. Not my scene, and I try not to judge.

Again, I maintain that if someone can't watch two men grappling without automatically thinking homoerotic thoughts then they're the ones who're dealing with latent gay issues.

Sounds like you are quite the homophobe

Again, I believe that those who are adverse to watching MMA because of the grappling involved are uncomfortable watching said grappling because it secretly arouses them. So, like all homophobes, they put on strong anti-gay fronts while actually being quite homosexual themselves. Therefore, my friend, it's obviously you that reside in the closet.
I've got absolutely nothing against you because of your sexuality though, so take it easy.

RandomUsername wrote: ↑28 May 2018, 03:39

sweetviolenturge wrote: ↑27 May 2018, 20:46
Again, I believe that those who are adverse to watching MMA because of the grappling involved are uncomfortable watching said grappling because it secretly arouses them. So, like all homophobes, they put on strong anti-gay fronts while actually being quite homosexual themselves. Therefore, my friend, it's obviously you that reside in the closet.
I've got absolutely nothing against you because of your sexuality though, so take it easy.

The one making homophobic remarks and constantly refering to grappling between men is you. Therefor by definition you yourself are this closet case that you keep refering to.

Wow. You're a bloody idiot.
You're the one who started talking about men's heads between one another's thighs & latent homosexual desires, not me. So, it's clear you're the one who's obsessed with the imaginary gay subtext in MMA. And frankly, it's a subject that's been done to death & is quite boring so kindly f**k off.

RandomUsername wrote: ↑28 May 2018, 17:44

sweetviolenturge wrote: ↑28 May 2018, 04:13
Wow. You're a bloody idiot.
You're the one who started talking about men's heads between one another's thighs & latent homosexual desires, not me. So, it's clear you're the one who's obsessed with the imaginary gay subtext in MMA. And frankly, it's a subject that's been done to death & is quite boring so kindly f**k off.

The fact that you are bringing up something regarding "men's heads between another's thighs", making the false claim that I have said something about that and being super sensitive kind of proves me right. You shouldnt however feel bad, we all including me have these urges from time to time, its nothing to be ashamed of. You are still a man regardless of your sexuality and there's nothing wrong with being gay, hell many of my best friends are gay, this is just the way that some people are born.

I'm happy for you that you can freely admit to your urges, my friend. Go on & run with them. I'm not judging.