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Mexi-Box wrote: ↑26 May 2018, 15:08

klitoris wrote: ↑26 May 2018, 11:13 On paper I would say it's about 55-45 for Loma, but it all depends on how both of them look in their next fights.

On paper, it'd be Mikey the favorite. Lomachenko got bambi-legged around the ring against Linares.

Lomachenko never wobbled at any point against Linares. Whilst Garcia went life and death against a 12 fight novice in Sergey Lipinets, a former kick boxer.

Show us the moment when Lomachenko was 'bambi-legged'?

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑26 May 2018, 15:38

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑26 May 2018, 15:08

klitoris wrote: ↑26 May 2018, 11:13 On paper I would say it's about 55-45 for Loma, but it all depends on how both of them look in their next fights.

On paper, it'd be Mikey the favorite. Lomachenko got bambi-legged around the ring against Linares.

Lomachenko never wobbled at any point against Linares. Whilst Garcia went life and death against a 12 fight novice in Sergey Lipinets, a former kick boxer.

Show us the moment when Lomachenko was 'bambi-legged'?

I think it was the 4th round. Gets wobbled after eating a straight. Got hurt by a combination later, and then he gets dropped on his ass. Rewatch the fight, bud. Garcia would've crushed Linares.

By the way, you are either lying or clueless about Garcia going life and death with Lipinets. I'm thinking it's more that you are clueless, though. I've not seen a single thing intelligent coming from you, ever.

Linares landed a strong counter right in the 4th. Didn't come close to shaking up Loma. That was a punch I actually had to re-watch later to even see what people were talking about. Proved the solidity of his chin more than anything, as I saw it. Loma bounced right up from the knockdown a second after it happened, not shaky at all. The 4 punch combo in the 9th hurt him, but he was by no means "bambi-legged". He shook himself off, then beat him up and KO'd him in the next round.

The more I think about this fight the more confident I am in Loma. Garcia would likely KO Linares, but he doesn't present the same difficulties to Loma. It's a styles thing. I think Mikey has become a bit overrated, honestly. Let's see how he looks against Easter Jr.

a bit of an exagerration to say loma was getting bambi legged around the ring. might as well say mikey was getting folded over to the body late vs broner and was dropped really hard with martinez

didnt think loma was hurt at all in the 4th btw

Haven't watched Garcia in a while, as his career has been a total bore, but let's face it, all he has to do is sit back and let Loma come to him. He's got more room for error. Style wise, the fight favors Garcia, it's all up to Loma if his skills and speed are up to the task. Judges already have it 4-0 Garcia as I type this. I'd say it's 55-45 Garcia.

jamamb wrote: ↑26 May 2018, 21:41 a bit of an exagerration to say loma was getting bambi legged around the ring. might as well say mikey was getting folded over to the body late vs broner and was dropped really hard with martinez

didnt think loma was hurt at all in the 4th btw

Even bigger exaggeration.

Abradolf Lincler wrote: ↑26 May 2018, 21:27 Linares landed a strong counter right in the 4th. Didn't come close to shaking up Loma. That was a punch I actually had to re-watch later to even see what people were talking about. Proved the solidity of his chin more than anything, as I saw it. Loma bounced right up from the knockdown a second after it happened, not shaky at all. The 4 punch combo in the 9th hurt him, but he was by no means "bambi-legged". He shook himself off, then beat him up and KO'd him in the next round.

Using Linares to prove a solid chin is funny, though. Linares isn't a puncher like Mikey.

dont think so, ive just watched it, whereas you saying he was bambi legged around the ring is total nonsense.

if thats true then like i said we can see broner was doubling mikey over withbody shots or that martinez put him down really hard

jamamb wrote: ↑26 May 2018, 22:56 dont think so, ive just watched it, whereas you saying he was bambi legged around the ring is total nonsense.

if thats true then like i said we can see broner was doubling mikey over withbody shots or that martinez put him down really hard

He got hit by a straight and got wobbled. I just saw it again. Saying he wasn't hurt is absolute nonsense. Bambi-legged is more accurate than that.

there wasnt much reaction and he kept fighting exactly as he had been, you saying he got bambi legged around the ring is laughable, obviously your exagerrating or maybe just being a boxrec warrior and not actually watching it

again, if were gonna exagerrate like that then mikey got doubled over to the body vs broner and dropped heavily by martinez

mikey beats loma and he doesnt need any over exaggerated nonsense to make the case

jamamb wrote: ↑26 May 2018, 23:06 there wasnt much reaction and he kept fighting exactly as he had been, you saying he got bambi legged around the ring is laughable, obviously your exagerrating or maybe just being a boxrec warrior and not actually watching it

again, if were gonna exagerrate like that then mikey got doubled over to the body vs broner and dropped heavily by martinez

mikey beats loma and he doesnt need any over exaggerated nonsense to make the case

He gets wobbled. That's bambi-legged. Then he gets hurt with a combination and gets dropped on his ass.

By the way, Broner and Martinez probably only won 1 or 2 rounds. You can definitely exaggerate like that, but it's pretty meaningless.

Linares/Lomachenko was close and competitive. Mikey/Martinez-Broner-Lipinets wasn't.

he wasnt on bambi legs where hes all over the place, not at all, you tried to exaggerate and got caught, sorry son

do you see me saying mikey didnt win most rounds against those guys? god your dumb! but if loma was bambi legging all over the ring then mikey was doubled over to thebody vs broner and dropped heavily vs martinez

jamamb wrote: ↑26 May 2018, 23:32 he wasnt on bambi legs where hes all over the place, not at all, you tried to exaggerate and got caught, sorry son

do you see me saying mikey didnt win most rounds against those guys? god your dumb! but if loma was bambi legging all over the ring then mikey was doubled over to thebody vs broner and dropped heavily vs martinez

Did you see me saying that you did? I said you can exaggerate like that, but Mikey won just about every round. You can't effing read!

By the way, saying Lomachenko wasn't hurt is just plain idiotic. Guy did a little dance when he got hit with that straight. Nice try squirming out of your stupidity like always.

oh right then, you just bring in unrelated points like an idiot then, since when were we comparing rounds won you dib sh!t

loma wasnt dancing or bambing around the ring, to say that is a total exaggeration equivalent to saying mikey was getting folded over to the body by broner

you got caught son, no need to exaggerate, mikey beats loma

jamamb wrote: ↑26 May 2018, 23:45 oh right then, you just bring in unrelated points like an idiot then, since when were we comparing rounds won you dib sh!t

loma wasnt dancing or bambing around the ring, to say that is a total exaggeration equivalent to saying mikey was getting folded over to the body by broner

you got caught son, no need to exaggerate, mikey beats loma

WTF are you talking about here? You obviously said something stupid, I called you out, now you have nothing to say. Just sit your ass down like Linares made Lomachenko do.

By the way, you keep saying this like I haven't already addressed it. As I said, you can make that statement all you want. Doesn't matter in the end when the fight wasn't competitive in the least. By the way, you need to learn how to read and think. You fail at both.

how competeive the fight was overall has no bearing on how hurt these guys may have been in the specific rounds, only a fool whose looking for a way out of being called for his bs would try to divert the argument to who won more rounds

ya loma and mikey have both been dropped on there assess havent they, mikey would beat loma and doesnt need your lame exaggeratations that you got called on

jamamb wrote: ↑23 May 2018, 23:51 im very confident garcia wins, there both very good and p4p top 5 but mikey is bigger and stronger

Wow. OK.
I am surprised at your confidence in Garcia. I think this is close to 50/50, I also favour Garcia to 60/40 by KO. Loma can take a punch and come back. Power is only power if it can be landed. I'm not sure Garcia has tried to land his big ones on a guy as slippery as Loma. Sure in a 12 round fight he is bound to get a few flush ones in.

for me its excellent bigger man vs excellent smaller man, and while garcia may be slower and maybe more predictable then linares hes a much bigger hitter whose excellent technique and execution mean to me hes going to be making loma pay and landing counters and shots off the jab. and that extra power and natural strength will jar loma, i see it making him hesitent or if hes not hesistent it will do more damage

loma i think will have his rounds but i struggle to see him actually winning. just dont think a bigger and top level boxer with good power like garcia will be overwhelmed by the tapping angles stuff

I'm very surprised by the number of guys here who favor Garcia in this matchup. Apparently the majority.

There have been so many previous posts here proclaiming Lomachenko an ATG. I don't think anyone has ever said the same about Garcia.

Did losing a few rounds and getting dropped by Linares take that much of the shine off Lomachenko?

I still believe oddsmakers would install him as the favorite against Garcia.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑27 May 2018, 22:04 I'm very surprised by the number of guys here who favor Garcia in this matchup. Apparently the majority.

There have been so many previous posts here proclaiming Lomachenko an ATG. I don't think anyone has ever said the same about Garcia.

Did losing a few rounds and getting dropped by Linares take that much of the shine off Lomachenko?

I still believe oddsmakers would install him as the favorite against Garcia.

I think the early odds do favour Loma. Thing is, if Garcia lands a few big shots it could well be over. In 12 rounds that's a real possibility.
I give it 60/40 Garcia- which is far from a sure thing. If he doesn't KO Loma, he loses on points.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑27 May 2018, 23:19

SenorPipino wrote: ↑27 May 2018, 22:04 I'm very surprised by the number of guys here who favor Garcia in this matchup. Apparently the majority.

There have been so many previous posts here proclaiming Lomachenko an ATG. I don't think anyone has ever said the same about Garcia.

Did losing a few rounds and getting dropped by Linares take that much of the shine off Lomachenko?

I still believe oddsmakers would install him as the favorite against Garcia.

I think the early odds do favour Loma. Thing is, if Garcia lands a few big shots it could well be over. In 12 rounds that's a real possibility.
I give it 60/40 Garcia- which is far from a sure thing. If he doesn't KO Loma, he loses on points.

I strongly feel that it goes 12.

Lomachenko quick and cagey enough to survive Garcia's assault.

The technically sound Garcia enjoys the strength and power advantage. But he'll have to connect consistently to use those 2 edges.

Can he?

I'd feel more confident that Garcia was going to impose his size if he was what I would call a natural pressure fighter

But if I think about it I am sure the fighters who have made Mikey look like $1M have all been straight-up aggressive guys who came straight into his wheelhouse, like Martinez and the Serbian guy

We know Loma absolutely won't do that so the question is will Mikeys usual patient punch-picking output offset Lomas activity and movement or will he have to Up his activity compared to his usual style.

I have a feeling that his usual style will end up with him losing the early rounds, and he will have to step it up as the fight goes on. I think he can let his hands go more than normal as he isn't at risk of getting one-shot ko'd if he makes a mistake.

I'm just not sure Mikeys style has the, uh, urgency he may need. He's very patient and composed but he may need to fight a little more recklessly to get to Loma IMO

Lomachenko is easily the better of two very good fighters but Mikey is the naturally bigger and stronger man and good enough to make the most of that advantage.

If they were the same natural weight I'd pick Loma without hesitation, but they aren't and I give Mikey a slight edge on that basis. It's a mouth-watering prospect though and no mistake.

candyslim wrote: ↑28 May 2018, 06:34 Lomachenko is easily the better of two very good fighters but Mikey is the naturally bigger and stronger man and good enough to make the most of that advantage.

If they were the same natural weight I'd pick Loma without hesitation, but they aren't and I give Mikey a slight edge on that basis. It's a mouth-watering prospect though and no mistake.

Candyslim, I agree with you 98 % (for me this is 50/50 fight, for you this is 51/49 Garcia).