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Re: Anthony Small is Cleared of Encouraging Terrorism
Posted: 09 Jun 2018, 08:31
by danconnollyeire
Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑08 Jun 2018, 15:38
Yet Tommy Robinson is in the clink.
Eh? Stephen Yaxley-Lennon broke the terms of his bail conditions. It’s quite simple
Re: Anthony Small is Cleared of Encouraging Terrorism
Posted: 09 Jun 2018, 08:37
by bbjc
Always wonder what he,s still doing living in Britain if he hates it so much. Still can't believe how far off the deep end the guy went. Agree with cobra if your sitting hating on Britain to the extent small is...leave the country. He even been to Syria or that.
Guys needing to move on with his life. What exactly is his end goal to all this.
Re: Anthony Small is Cleared of Encouraging Terrorism
Posted: 09 Jun 2018, 10:27
by brilo33
Well Iam sure his skills to encourage young fighters .which I mean boxers must be rubbish aswell then.shouldnt be allowed work with young vulnerable adults
Re: Anthony Small is Cleared of Encouraging Terrorism
Posted: 09 Jun 2018, 10:31
by Tuan_Jim
danconnollyeire wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 08:31
Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑08 Jun 2018, 15:38
Yet Tommy Robinson is in the clink.
Eh? Stephen Yaxley-Lennon broke the terms of his bail conditions. It’s quite simple
Is it that simple?
The state was happy to look the other way for decades as grooming gangs raped girls, many of them underage, on an industrial scale.
But Tommy Robinson, livestreaming outside Leeds Crown Court--that the state cannot abide.
Five minutes to try, convict and sentence.
How many potential spree killers are on the UK terrorist watch list again? 25,000. Where are they?
On the street.
Different standards are being applied here. The reasons why are not simple.
Re: Anthony Small is Cleared of Encouraging Terrorism
Posted: 09 Jun 2018, 10:46
by TheCobra
If you support and try to justify freaks like Anthony Small then you are a part of the problem. Simple as that. You are a sympathiser for the Manchester Arena bombing, the London knifings, etc etc.
I don't particularly subscribe strongly to any one political standpoint, nor am I a massive patriot, I just feel like it's bonkers to tolerate dangerous madmen in our midst. For the sake of everyone's safety they need rooting out and getting rid of. If they have a problem with the West's policies then they can make that point without blowing kids up or knifing randoms out for a drink in London - or in Small's case without making dangerous inciteful videos sympathising with attackers, hanging round with known terrorists and ISIS recruiters and generally getting in everyone's face with it.
Re: Anthony Small is Cleared of Encouraging Terrorism
Posted: 09 Jun 2018, 10:53
by TheCobra
Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 10:31
danconnollyeire wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 08:31
Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑08 Jun 2018, 15:38
Yet Tommy Robinson is in the clink.
Eh? Stephen Yaxley-Lennon broke the terms of his bail conditions. It’s quite simple
Is it that simple?
The state was happy to look the other way for decades as grooming gangs raped girls, many of them underage, on an industrial scale.
But Tommy Robinson, livestreaming outside Leeds Crown Court--that the state cannot abide.
Five minutes to try, convict and sentence.
How many potential spree killers are on the UK terrorist watch list again? 25,000. Where are they?
On the street.
Different standards are being applied here. The reasons why are not simple.
Of course there are different standards. He is being used as an example to silence any dissent and to create a narrative i.e. whites are just racist idiots.
The government of the day is usually short-termist. They are thinking the next 5-10 years while they are in power, silence the dissent, stop there being a riot etc, keep order on the streets. Whether Robinson has a point or not (which he often does), the bigger picture is they just don't want a riot.
People like Tommy, highlighting certain unwelcome truths in our society are, in the governments eyes, simply stirring the pot and lighting the touch paper for rioting and civil unrest. So they silence him and lock him up, not only to get rid of him, but to send out a message to anyone else thinking of speaking up.
Re: Anthony Small is Cleared of Encouraging Terrorism
Posted: 09 Jun 2018, 10:59
by brilo33
danconnollyeire wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 08:31
Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑08 Jun 2018, 15:38
Yet Tommy Robinson is in the clink.
Eh? Stephen Yaxley-Lennon broke the terms of his bail conditions. It’s quite simple
I would of agreed with that statement maybe years ago .but i don't agreed with British law anymore . the people of this country have voted brexit nothing has happened .so i dont belive that is why he is in jail. To much lies being told to us
Re: Anthony Small is Cleared of Encouraging Terrorism
Posted: 09 Jun 2018, 11:08
by skanksta
Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑08 Jun 2018, 15:38
Yet Tommy Robinson is in the clink.
Tommy Robinson was found guilty by a jury.
Anthony Small wasn't.
We have trial by jury and it's a great system. Do you think we should let you dish out sentences from your own prejudices via an internet forum and without having a clue about the facts of the case ?
I don't.
And horse.. "The West is evil" ?!
Oh please.
It's certainly done some evil things - but let's not pretend there is any sort of moral equivalence between our government and ISIS and the murderers it inspires. The fact that Small got a fair trial - that fact alone puts this country on a different ethical planet to any Islamofascist movement.
Re: Anthony Small is Cleared of Encouraging Terrorism
Posted: 09 Jun 2018, 11:15
by brilo33
skanksta wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 11:08
Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑08 Jun 2018, 15:38
Yet Tommy Robinson is in the clink.
Tommy Robinson was found guilty by a jury.
Anthony Small wasn't.
We have trial by jury and it's a great system. Do you think we should let you dish out sentences from your own prejudices via an internet forum and without having a clue about the facts of the case ?
I don't.
And horse.. "The West is evil" ?!
Oh please.
It's certainly done some evil things - but let's not pretend there is any sort of moral equivalence between our government and ISIS and the murderers it inspires. The fact that Small got a fair trial - that fact alone puts this country on a different ethical planet to any Islamofascist movement.
He did not get found guilty by a jury .i don't know enough to talk about it .but that is not true. And if any one has been to court before would all agree you do not want judge looking and only deciding your further. As your paying his mortgage
Re: Anthony Small is Cleared of Encouraging Terrorism
Posted: 09 Jun 2018, 11:18
by Horse
skanksta wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 11:08And horse.. "The West is evil" ?!
Oh please.
It's certainly done some evil things - but let's not pretend there is any sort of moral equivalence between our government and ISIS and the murderers it inspires. The fact that Small got a fair trial - that fact alone puts this country on a different ethical planet to any Islamofascist movement.
The UK is better than ISIS? That's you defence of our behaviour?
The UK is fighting on the same side as ISIS in Syria. We are the bad guys.
Re: Anthony Small is Cleared of Encouraging Terrorism
Posted: 09 Jun 2018, 11:22
by skanksta
He was jailed by a judge for EXTREME contempt of court before he could be tried by a jury - so technically you're right, but don't try and make out he was somehow thrown in jail without due process.
Why contempt of court matters?
By Dominic Casciani, BBC home affairs correspondent
Contempt of court is the crime of ignoring the court and its constitutional role in making sure that justice is done.
Robinson was convicted of contempt for interfering with a trial in Canterbury.
His attempts to film defendants on that occasion could, the judge said, have "prejudiced" the jury, leading to an unfair verdict - and he was warned he'd go to jail if he did anything remotely similar again.
Why couldn't we initially report Robinson's arrest and jailing? Reporting restrictions are a long-standing part of the British legal system. In this case, the judge ordered a temporary media black-out because he feared reporting Robinson's conviction could influence the jury in the very case Robinson was targeting.
This is not some new form of censorship directed at Robinson. These are rules that apply to us all, equally. If he is unsure about that, he's now got time on his hands to read a copy of Essential Law for Journalists.
Robinson was already subject to a suspended sentence for a contempt charge related to a separate case in Canterbury.
The judge had warned him then he should expect to go to prison if he committed further offences.
Robinson was given 10 months in jail for contempt of court, and a further three months for breaching the previous suspended sentence.
Judge Geoffrey Marson QC initially imposed restrictions for fear that reporting his arrest would prejudice an ongoing trial.
Re: Anthony Small is Cleared of Encouraging Terrorism
Posted: 09 Jun 2018, 11:26
by brilo33
skanksta wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 11:22
He was jailed by a judge for EXTREME contempt of court before he could be tried by a jury - so technically you're right, but don't try and make out he was somehow thrown in jail without due process.
Why contempt of court matters?
By Dominic Casciani, BBC home affairs correspondent
Contempt of court is the crime of ignoring the court and its constitutional role in making sure that justice is done.
Robinson was convicted of contempt for interfering with a trial in Canterbury.
His attempts to film defendants on that occasion could, the judge said, have "prejudiced" the jury, leading to an unfair verdict - and he was warned he'd go to jail if he did anything remotely similar again.
Why couldn't we initially report Robinson's arrest and jailing? Reporting restrictions are a long-standing part of the British legal system. In this case, the judge ordered a temporary media black-out because he feared reporting Robinson's conviction could influence the jury in the very case Robinson was targeting.
This is not some new form of censorship directed at Robinson. These are rules that apply to us all, equally. If he is unsure about that, he's now got time on his hands to read a copy of Essential Law for Journalists.
Robinson was already subject to a suspended sentence for a contempt charge related to a separate case in Canterbury.
The judge had warned him then he should expect to go to prison if he committed further offences.
Robinson was given 10 months in jail for contempt of court, and a further three months for breaching the previous suspended sentence.
Judge Geoffrey Marson QC initially imposed restrictions for fear that reporting his arrest would prejudice an ongoing trial.
Re: Anthony Small is Cleared of Encouraging Terrorism
Posted: 09 Jun 2018, 11:29
by brilo33
brilo33 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 11:26
skanksta wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 11:22
He was jailed by a judge for EXTREME contempt of court before he could be tried by a jury - so technically you're right, but don't try and make out he was somehow thrown in jail without due process.
Why contempt of court matters?
By Dominic Casciani, BBC home affairs correspondent
Contempt of court is the crime of ignoring the court and its constitutional role in making sure that justice is done.
Robinson was convicted of contempt for interfering with a trial in Canterbury.
His attempts to film defendants on that occasion could, the judge said, have "prejudiced" the jury, leading to an unfair verdict - and he was warned he'd go to jail if he did anything remotely similar again.
Why couldn't we initially report Robinson's arrest and jailing? Reporting restrictions are a long-standing part of the British legal system. In this case, the judge ordered a temporary media black-out because he feared reporting Robinson's conviction could influence the jury in the very case Robinson was targeting.
This is not some new form of censorship directed at Robinson. These are rules that apply to us all, equally. If he is unsure about that, he's now got time on his hands to read a copy of Essential Law for Journalists.
Robinson was already subject to a suspended sentence for a contempt charge related to a separate case in Canterbury.
The judge had warned him then he should expect to go to prison if he committed further offences.
Robinson was given 10 months in jail for contempt of court, and a further three months for breaching the previous suspended sentence.
Judge Geoffrey Marson QC initially imposed restrictions for fear that reporting his arrest would prejudice an ongoing trial.
What are you talking about why would a jury have to agree with the courts bail conditions. The court set them .there not up for decision. I've been around the justice system to know. Your talking nonsense
Re: Anthony Small is Cleared of Encouraging Terrorism
Posted: 09 Jun 2018, 11:30
by brilo33
The jury dont set the law of the land.
Re: Anthony Small is Cleared of Encouraging Terrorism
Posted: 09 Jun 2018, 11:31
by skanksta
Horse wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 11:18
skanksta wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 11:08And horse.. "The West is evil" ?!
Oh please.
It's certainly done some evil things - but let's not pretend there is any sort of moral equivalence between our government and ISIS and the murderers it inspires. The fact that Small got a fair trial - that fact alone puts this country on a different ethical planet to any Islamofascist movement.
The UK is better than ISIS? That's you defence of our behaviour?
The UK is fighting on the same side as ISIS in Syria. We are the bad guys.
I'm not defending our behaviour. We, France, the USA - we've all done some very wicked things AND we'll probably do more in the future. Good for you pointing out our/their many moral failings. The immorality of 'The West's' foreign policy can be sickening at times, BUT...
What I'm saying is, "stop pretending that there is some sort of moral equivalence between the UK and ISIS"
Re: Anthony Small is Cleared of Encouraging Terrorism
Posted: 09 Jun 2018, 11:35
by brilo33
skanksta wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 11:31
Horse wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 11:18
skanksta wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 11:08And horse.. "The West is evil" ?!
Oh please.
It's certainly done some evil things - but let's not pretend there is any sort of moral equivalence between our government and ISIS and the murderers it inspires. The fact that Small got a fair trial - that fact alone puts this country on a different ethical planet to any Islamofascist movement.
The UK is better than ISIS? That's you defence of our behaviour?
The UK is fighting on the same side as ISIS in Syria. We are the bad guys.
I'm not defending our behaviour. We, France, the USA - we've all done some very wicked things AND we'll probably do more in the future. Good for you pointing out our/their many moral failings. The immorality of 'The West's' foreign policy can be sickening at times, BUT...
What I'm saying is, "stop pretending that there is some sort of moral equivalence between the UK and ISIS"
Of course there is a difference. For one you wouldn't be on a forum discusing it for one. .fuxk it if think that way I ant changing you.
Re: Anthony Small is Cleared of Encouraging Terrorism
Posted: 09 Jun 2018, 11:39
by skanksta
brilo33 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 11:29
brilo33 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 11:26
skanksta wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 11:22
He was jailed by a judge for EXTREME contempt of court before he could be tried by a jury - so technically you're right, but don't try and make out he was somehow thrown in jail without due process.
Why contempt of court matters?
By Dominic Casciani, BBC home affairs correspondent
Contempt of court is the crime of ignoring the court and its constitutional role in making sure that justice is done.
Robinson was convicted of contempt for interfering with a trial in Canterbury.
His attempts to film defendants on that occasion could, the judge said, have "prejudiced" the jury, leading to an unfair verdict - and he was warned he'd go to jail if he did anything remotely similar again.
Why couldn't we initially report Robinson's arrest and jailing? Reporting restrictions are a long-standing part of the British legal system. In this case, the judge ordered a temporary media black-out because he feared reporting Robinson's conviction could influence the jury in the very case Robinson was targeting.
This is not some new form of censorship directed at Robinson. These are rules that apply to us all, equally. If he is unsure about that, he's now got time on his hands to read a copy of Essential Law for Journalists.
Robinson was already subject to a suspended sentence for a contempt charge related to a separate case in Canterbury.
The judge had warned him then he should expect to go to prison if he committed further offences.
Robinson was given 10 months in jail for contempt of court, and a further three months for breaching the previous suspended sentence.
Judge Geoffrey Marson QC initially imposed restrictions for fear that reporting his arrest would prejudice an ongoing trial.
What are you talking about why would a jury have to agree with the courts bail conditions. The court set them .there not up for decision. I've been around the justice system to know. Your talking nonsense
I'm not really what your point is ?
You seem to be suggesting that Tommy Robinson was somehow "thrown in to jail" like he was 'disappeared' in to a van in some Fascist banana republic, or a knock on the door in the night like in the old Commie states.
He got what he deserved
after due legal process - and if you're claiming he didn't then it's you that is talking nonsense.
Re: Anthony Small is Cleared of Encouraging Terrorism
Posted: 09 Jun 2018, 11:44
by brilo33
skanksta wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 11:39
brilo33 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 11:29
What are you talking about why would a jury have to agree with the courts bail conditions. The court set them .there not up for decision. I've been around the justice system to know. Your talking nonsense
I'm not really what your point is ?
You seem to be suggesting that Tommy Robinson was somehow "thrown in to jail" like he was 'disappeared' in to a van in some Fascist banana republic, or a knock on the door in the night like in the old Commie states.
He got what he deserved
after due legal process - and if you're claiming he didn't then it's you that is talking nonsense.
No Iam not.your saying you respect the courts of the land.thought you don't think better then I.s .Ia m saying we had a big vote In this country. And they don't care which means .There laws of land mean nothing too me
Re: Anthony Small is Cleared of Encouraging Terrorism
Posted: 09 Jun 2018, 11:46
by skanksta
brilo33 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 11:35
skanksta wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 11:31
Horse wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 11:18
The UK is better than ISIS? That's you defence of our behaviour?
The UK is fighting on the same side as ISIS in Syria. We are the bad guys.
I'm not defending our behaviour. We, France, the USA - we've all done some very wicked things AND we'll probably do more in the future. Good for you pointing out our/their many moral failings. The immorality of 'The West's' foreign policy can be sickening at times, BUT...
What I'm saying is, "stop pretending that there is some sort of moral equivalence between the UK and ISIS"
Of course there is a difference. For one you wouldn't be on a forum discusing it for one. .fuxk it if think that way I ant changing you.
I'm not really sure what your point is either.
You seem to be agreeing with me that the UK is morally superior to ISIS - a very low bar I know ! - yet still claiming I'm wrong.
Re: Anthony Small is Cleared of Encouraging Terrorism
Posted: 09 Jun 2018, 11:48
by brilo33
The government did the same with the krays an Richardson. If they don't like ya your going away
Re: Anthony Small is Cleared of Encouraging Terrorism
Posted: 09 Jun 2018, 11:50
by skanksta
brilo33 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 11:44
skanksta wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 11:39
brilo33 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 11:29
What are you talking about why would a jury have to agree with the courts bail conditions. The court set them .there not up for decision. I've been around the justice system to know. Your talking nonsense
I'm not really what your point is ?
You seem to be suggesting that Tommy Robinson was somehow "thrown in to jail" like he was 'disappeared' in to a van in some Fascist banana republic, or a knock on the door in the night like in the old Commie states.
He got what he deserved
after due legal process - and if you're claiming he didn't then it's you that is talking nonsense.
No Iam not.your saying you respect the courts of the land.thought you don't think better then I.s .Ia m saying we had a big vote In this country. And they don't care which means .There laws of land mean nothing too me
That's pretty incoherent I'm afraid.
Re: Anthony Small is Cleared of Encouraging Terrorism
Posted: 09 Jun 2018, 11:58
by mickey1975
It was unprecedented what went on with Robinson. He was in Hull jail by teatime. Only sent there because Armley is too Asian due to the Bradford lot and he would be killed. Nobody goes from Leeds crown to Hull jail. Ever.
Re: Anthony Small is Cleared of Encouraging Terrorism
Posted: 09 Jun 2018, 12:11
by danconnollyeire
Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 10:31
danconnollyeire wrote: ↑09 Jun 2018, 08:31
Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑08 Jun 2018, 15:38
Yet Tommy Robinson is in the clink.
Eh? Stephen Yaxley-Lennon broke the terms of his bail conditions. It’s quite simple
Is it that simple?
The state was happy to look the other way for decades as grooming gangs raped girls, many of them underage, on an industrial scale.
But Tommy Robinson, livestreaming outside Leeds Crown Court--that the state cannot abide.
Five minutes to try, convict and sentence.
How many potential spree killers are on the UK terrorist watch list again? 25,000. Where are they?
On the street.
Different standards are being applied here. The reasons why are not simple.
He wasn’t arrest or convicted by the state. The state doesn’t have the powers to send someone to prison. Judicial courts do. Only conspiracy theorists would think the state send people to prison. They aren’t any exceptions, not in civilised countries
Re: Anthony Small is Cleared of Encouraging Terrorism
Posted: 09 Jun 2018, 12:17
by mickey1975
The state do lock people up without trial. Fact.
Re: Anthony Small is Cleared of Encouraging Terrorism
Posted: 09 Jun 2018, 12:20
by bbjc
My main problem is....is if Robinson never highlighted the case would we have even heard about it in the national media. Was something like 39 men involved in some sort of grooming gang. That should be front page news regardless of race or religion.
We deserve to know what's going on in our own country. I think its stupid for people to blame Robinson. He maybe has broke laws...but they,d never have been broken if the people in power we,re doing their job. Its a case of we,re ignoring the problem and if someone wants to point it out...we,ll put them in jail/silence them. And then you,ve got people saying Robinson's been an idiot again...we don't want to know about the problem. That's basically what it is. The problems won't go away by covering them up. Its like they,ve learnt nothing from the Rotherham scandal.
I don't think their was a jury when he got arrested...pretty sure it was sentencing day. The jury was at the first one he was arrested for that led to the suspended sentence. I don't think its a case of perjurating a case more a case of he,s gonna let the cat out the bag....quick let's silence him. He broke the law tho...I still think the bigger picture is why is tommy Robinson bringing these cases to the forefront. And why is the national media not.