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Heretic wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 06:59

caldo2025 wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018, 07:10

tigermoth87 wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018, 01:25 Crawford doesn't have a win over a genuine elite fighter.

Indongo, exposed as a hype job coasting on a lucky KO.

Horn, limited plodder.

Postol, hype job. Will probably get KO'd by rookie Josh Taylor.

Loma has Rigo ( on many people's p4p) and Loma, arguably the #2 guy in his division. Also Russel Jr is a better scalp than anyone on Crawford's resume.

I'd put Indongo on about the same level as the Walters win. A good but not great scalp.

I won't argue with that. Loma definitely has a better resume to this point as far as opposition goes but my opinion isn't who has the best resume. It's who i think is the most dominant fighter in the world right now and the toughest to beat. I don't even think it's close. It's Terrance Crawford in my opinion. Loma has already been beaten and just got knocked down. That has to figure into the equation as well. I still call Loma #2 but I can't just disregard the facts.

I do partly agree with this.

The problem however is that Crawford has so far not faced opponent as good as the one that knocked Loma down.

caldo2025 wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 07:31

Heretic wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 06:59

caldo2025 wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018, 07:10

I won't argue with that. Loma definitely has a better resume to this point as far as opposition goes but my opinion isn't who has the best resume. It's who i think is the most dominant fighter in the world right now and the toughest to beat. I don't even think it's close. It's Terrance Crawford in my opinion. Loma has already been beaten and just got knocked down. That has to figure into the equation as well. I still call Loma #2 but I can't just disregard the facts.

I do partly agree with this.

The problem however is that Crawford has so far not faced opponent as good as the one that knocked Loma down.

I hate criticizing Loma because I sound just like one of those stupid boxing fans. On paper, Loma's opposition has been ridiculous. BUT, and here's where i'm going to look dumb, I do NOT put any stock into the wins against Walters and Riggo. Walters heart is gone...he'd been out of the ring for a year and looked like a fighter trying to steal one more big payday before calling it quits. Riggo, who i was never high on like everyone else was, was 37 years old and fighting up at a weight he should have never agreed to. Linares and Russell Jr wins deserve all the credit in the world.

Then there's the Salido Situation...it can't be ignored, i'm sorry. It's a loss. That has to figure into a resume discussion because no matter how many fouls were ignored, what Salido scaled in at...a loss is a loss. Everyone loves to give Loma a pass on this one. Not me.

caldo2025 wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 07:31Then there's the Salido Situation...it can't be ignored, i'm sorry. It's a loss. That has to figure into a resume discussion because no matter how many fouls were ignored, what Salido scaled in at...a loss is a loss. Everyone loves to give Loma a pass on this one. Not me.

jamamb wrote: ↑13 Jun 2018, 00:40

Duran1970 wrote: ↑12 Jun 2018, 23:59 Still hasn't been in with anyone his size let alone pistol.and indongo both of whom can't fight....Beltran dulorme Jean Lundy??..Molina tough but shopworn..Diaz? Unprovin.... Horn? Unskilled..
There's no denying crawfs skill....but still.no signature fight to make a case for #1

who is your #1

squiggy wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 09:00

caldo2025 wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 07:31Then there's the Salido Situation...it can't be ignored, i'm sorry. It's a loss. That has to figure into a resume discussion because no matter how many fouls were ignored, what Salido scaled in at...a loss is a loss. Everyone loves to give Loma a pass on this one. Not me.

I hope you're still ranking Mayweather and Froch and Rigondeaux and Klitschko, then, because your position here is basically that the year is 2014.

Heretic wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 08:10

caldo2025 wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 07:31

Heretic wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 06:59

I do partly agree with this.

The problem however is that Crawford has so far not faced opponent as good as the one that knocked Loma down.

I hate criticizing Loma because I sound just like one of those stupid boxing fans. On paper, Loma's opposition has been ridiculous. BUT, and here's where i'm going to look dumb, I do NOT put any stock into the wins against Walters and Riggo. Walters heart is gone...he'd been out of the ring for a year and looked like a fighter trying to steal one more big payday before calling it quits. Riggo, who i was never high on like everyone else was, was 37 years old and fighting up at a weight he should have never agreed to. Linares and Russell Jr wins deserve all the credit in the world.

Then there's the Salido Situation...it can't be ignored, i'm sorry. It's a loss. That has to figure into a resume discussion because no matter how many fouls were ignored, what Salido scaled in at...a loss is a loss. Everyone loves to give Loma a pass on this one. Not me.

I am one of those who are willing to give Loma a pass from the Salido fight

Mainly because Salido came in too heavy. There is no excuses for that.

But more importantly I think that Loma has got better after the Salido fight. Because of that I don't see it as that relevant thing when talking about Lomas current rank in p4p.

I don't have big problem with someone who is ranking Crawford as number 1. In my opinion they are close enough that it is not too big of a deal.

Maybe you could post your full p4p list in this thread if you have the time. I would be interested to see your list.
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=222556

caldo2025 wrote: ↑15 Jun 2018, 07:50

Heretic wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 08:10

caldo2025 wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 07:31

I hate criticizing Loma because I sound just like one of those stupid boxing fans. On paper, Loma's opposition has been ridiculous. BUT, and here's where i'm going to look dumb, I do NOT put any stock into the wins against Walters and Riggo. Walters heart is gone...he'd been out of the ring for a year and looked like a fighter trying to steal one more big payday before calling it quits. Riggo, who i was never high on like everyone else was, was 37 years old and fighting up at a weight he should have never agreed to. Linares and Russell Jr wins deserve all the credit in the world.

Then there's the Salido Situation...it can't be ignored, i'm sorry. It's a loss. That has to figure into a resume discussion because no matter how many fouls were ignored, what Salido scaled in at...a loss is a loss. Everyone loves to give Loma a pass on this one. Not me.

I am one of those who are willing to give Loma a pass from the Salido fight

Mainly because Salido came in too heavy. There is no excuses for that.

But more importantly I think that Loma has got better after the Salido fight. Because of that I don't see it as that relevant thing when talking about Lomas current rank in p4p.

I don't have big problem with someone who is ranking Crawford as number 1. In my opinion they are close enough that it is not too big of a deal.

Maybe you could post your full p4p list in this thread if you have the time. I would be interested to see your list.
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=222556

I added mine so go tear it apart. LOL. That's what P4P lists were created for anyway right? Love it.

pablothunder wrote: ↑14 Jun 2018, 12:23 If losing to Salido in your second pro fight is a negative mark to be carried forever...
There's no hope for boxing, nor the world and everything can get to f*ck.