Your current p4p list?

[caldo2025]

1. Terrance Crawford
2. GGG
3. Lomachenco
4. Srisaket Sor Rungvisai
5. Mikey Garcia
6. Jermall Charlo
7. Deontay Wilder
8. Gervonta Davis
9. Leo Santa Cruz
10. Anthony Joshua

Honorable Mention: Errol Spence Jr (just not busy enough for me). Jermell Charlo (coming off dull performance). Keith Thurman (only active fighters considered). Sergey Kovalev (Could make a big jump with a win). Billy Joe Saunders (backed out of too many fights for my liking). Oleksandr Usyk (he's getting closer and closer). Canelo Alvarez (failing a test gets you off my list).

[ValMar]

1. Terrance Crawford
2. GGG
3. Lomachenco
4. Srisaket Sor Rungvisai
5. Mikey Garcia
6. Jermall Charlo
7. Deontay Wilder
8. Gervonta Davis
9. Leo Santa Cruz
10. Anthony Joshua

Honorable Mention: Errol Spence Jr (just not busy enough for me). Jermell Charlo (coming off dull performance). Keith Thurman (only active fighters considered). Sergey Kovalev (Could make a big jump with a win). Billy Joe Saunders (backed out of too many fights for my liking). Oleksandr Usyk (he's getting closer and closer). Canelo Alvarez (failing a test gets you off my list).

Spence, Usyk, Canelo should be on the top 10 list, definitely.

[Heretic]

1. Terrance Crawford
2. GGG
3. Lomachenco
4. Srisaket Sor Rungvisai
5. Mikey Garcia
6. Jermall Charlo
7. Deontay Wilder
8. Gervonta Davis
9. Leo Santa Cruz
10. Anthony Joshua

Honorable Mention: Errol Spence Jr (just not busy enough for me). Jermell Charlo (coming off dull performance). Keith Thurman (only active fighters considered). Sergey Kovalev (Could make a big jump with a win). Billy Joe Saunders (backed out of too many fights for my liking). Oleksandr Usyk (he's getting closer and closer). Canelo Alvarez (failing a test gets you off my list).

Spence, Usyk, Canelo should be on the top 10 list, definitely.

Dropping someone off for failing drug test is pretty reasonable

[ValMar]

1. Terrance Crawford
2. GGG
3. Lomachenco
4. Srisaket Sor Rungvisai
5. Mikey Garcia
6. Jermall Charlo
7. Deontay Wilder
8. Gervonta Davis
9. Leo Santa Cruz
10. Anthony Joshua

Honorable Mention: Errol Spence Jr (just not busy enough for me). Jermell Charlo (coming off dull performance). Keith Thurman (only active fighters considered). Sergey Kovalev (Could make a big jump with a win). Billy Joe Saunders (backed out of too many fights for my liking). Oleksandr Usyk (he's getting closer and closer). Canelo Alvarez (failing a test gets you off my list).

Spence, Usyk, Canelo should be on the top 10 list, definitely.

Dropping someone off for failing drug test is pretty reasonable

OK, this might be the excuse. Usyk ? Spence ?

[boxing_rocks]

Loma
Crawford
Golovkin
Spence
Mikey
Gassiev/Usyk winner
Inoue
SSR
Canelo/Jacobs/Hurd

[Sorono]

1. GOAT Lomachenko
2. Monster Inoue
3. Crawford
4. GGG
5. Canelo
6. Spence
7. Rigondeaux
8. Bivol
9. Usyk
10. Thurman

[caldo2025]

1. Terrance Crawford
2. GGG
3. Lomachenco
4. Srisaket Sor Rungvisai
5. Mikey Garcia
6. Jermall Charlo
7. Deontay Wilder
8. Gervonta Davis
9. Leo Santa Cruz
10. Anthony Joshua

Honorable Mention: Errol Spence Jr (just not busy enough for me). Jermell Charlo (coming off dull performance). Keith Thurman (only active fighters considered). Sergey Kovalev (Could make a big jump with a win). Billy Joe Saunders (backed out of too many fights for my liking). Oleksandr Usyk (he's getting closer and closer). Canelo Alvarez (failing a test gets you off my list).

Spence, Usyk, Canelo should be on the top 10 list, definitely.

Spence has 1 big win and was losing the fight until KB’s last good eye fell out. Usyk is the biggest boxer to ever win fights with slaps. Canelo is a dime store hooker junky now so all of his past successes are now in question.

[ValMar]

1. Terrance Crawford
2. GGG
3. Lomachenco
4. Srisaket Sor Rungvisai
5. Mikey Garcia
6. Jermall Charlo
7. Deontay Wilder
8. Gervonta Davis
9. Leo Santa Cruz
10. Anthony Joshua

Honorable Mention: Errol Spence Jr (just not busy enough for me). Jermell Charlo (coming off dull performance). Keith Thurman (only active fighters considered). Sergey Kovalev (Could make a big jump with a win). Billy Joe Saunders (backed out of too many fights for my liking). Oleksandr Usyk (he's getting closer and closer). Canelo Alvarez (failing a test gets you off my list).

Spence, Usyk, Canelo should be on the top 10 list, definitely.

Spence has 1 big win and was losing the fight until KB’s last good eye fell out. Usyk is the biggest boxer to ever win fights with slaps. Canelo is a dime store hooker junky now so all of his past successes are now in question.

Caldo, it is not realistic to claim that Santa Cruz is the better boxer (p4p) than Usyk. I am not sure if you are serious.

[EJA]

My top ten:
1_ Loma
2_Crawford
3_Golovkin
4_Canelo
5_Spence
6_M. Garcia
7_Inoue
8_AJ
9_Sor Rungvisai
10_Usyk

[EJA]

Loma, Crawford and Inoue are the best 3. Inoue will demonstrate this in the next few fights

[Counter-puncher]

Loma, Crawford and Inoue are the best 3. Inoue will demonstrate this in the next few fights

Agree he is one of the coming men

[caldo2025]

Spence, Usyk, Canelo should be on the top 10 list, definitely.

Spence has 1 big win and was losing the fight until KB’s last good eye fell out. Usyk is the biggest boxer to ever win fights with slaps. Canelo is a dime store hooker junky now so all of his past successes are now in question.

Caldo, it is not realistic to claim that Santa Cruz is the better boxer (p4p) than Usyk. I am not sure if you are serious.

The Loserweight Division, I mean the Cruiserweight Division (excuse me) is probably the worst division in Boxing and has been for years. I’m glad Usyk is there to spice it up but I’ve seen several of his fights and he’s a big slap puncher and I’m not a fan of it. Sure he throws a bunch of punches but Leo has shown us all way more skill and toughness than Usyk has. U can’t be serious.

[ValMar]

Spence has 1 big win and was losing the fight until KB’s last good eye fell out. Usyk is the biggest boxer to ever win fights with slaps. Canelo is a dime store hooker junky now so all of his past successes are now in question.

Caldo, it is not realistic to claim that Santa Cruz is the better boxer (p4p) than Usyk. I am not sure if you are serious.

The Loserweight Division, I mean the Cruiserweight Division (excuse me) is probably the worst division in Boxing and has been for years. I’m glad Usyk is there to spice it up but I’ve seen several of his fights and he’s a big slap puncher and I’m not a fan of it. Sure he throws a bunch of punches but Leo has shown us all way more skill and toughness than Usyk has. U can’t be serious.

You can make a pool (Usyk or Santa Cruz) and you will see......

[_Rango_]

1. Crawford
2. Lomachenko
3. GGG
4. Spence
5. M. Garcia
6. Hurd
7. Canelo
8. Jermell
9. Jermall
10. Runvisai

To me the first 5 were much easier to pick. Arguments can be made to shuffle them up some too, as all are extremely skilled. I don't think any heavyweights are at their skill level. I don't watch the small guys much.

[Sorono]

Spence has 1 big win and was losing the fight until KB’s last good eye fell out. Usyk is the biggest boxer to ever win fights with slaps. Canelo is a dime store hooker junky now so all of his past successes are now in question.

Caldo, it is not realistic to claim that Santa Cruz is the better boxer (p4p) than Usyk. I am not sure if you are serious.

The Loserweight Division, I mean the Cruiserweight Division (excuse me) is probably the worst division in Boxing and has been for years. I’m glad Usyk is there to spice it up but I’ve seen several of his fights and he’s a big slap puncher and I’m not a fan of it. Sure he throws a bunch of punches but Leo has shown us all way more skill and toughness than Usyk has. U can’t be serious.

The division never looked better. One of the best divisions in boxing. Only reason why the top cw lose is cazse the top fights the top. Not like ww where crawford, spence & thurman avoid each other. Usyk, dorticos, breidis & gassiev fight each other!

[caldo2025]

Caldo, it is not realistic to claim that Santa Cruz is the better boxer (p4p) than Usyk. I am not sure if you are serious.

The Loserweight Division, I mean the Cruiserweight Division (excuse me) is probably the worst division in Boxing and has been for years. I’m glad Usyk is there to spice it up but I’ve seen several of his fights and he’s a big slap puncher and I’m not a fan of it. Sure he throws a bunch of punches but Leo has shown us all way more skill and toughness than Usyk has. U can’t be serious.

The division never looked better. One of the best divisions in boxing. Only reason why the top cw lose is cazse the top fights the top. Not like ww where crawford, spence & thurman avoid each other. Usyk, dorticos, breidis & gassiev fight each other!

Silliness. Only hardcore European boxing fans really give a crap about the division or any of the names that you spew. They are top fighters in the division but doesn't mean that they are top fighters in the sport. The same people that love Usyk and these other Cruiserweights are the same losers wasting space in here with Povetkin posts every other day.

[ValMar]

The Loserweight Division, I mean the Cruiserweight Division (excuse me) is probably the worst division in Boxing and has been for years. I’m glad Usyk is there to spice it up but I’ve seen several of his fights and he’s a big slap puncher and I’m not a fan of it. Sure he throws a bunch of punches but Leo has shown us all way more skill and toughness than Usyk has. U can’t be serious.

The division never looked better. One of the best divisions in boxing. Only reason why the top cw lose is cazse the top fights the top. Not like ww where crawford, spence & thurman avoid each other. Usyk, dorticos, breidis & gassiev fight each other!

Silliness. Only hardcore European boxing fans really give a crap about the division or any of the names that you spew. They are top fighters in the division but doesn't mean that they are top fighters in the sport. The same people that love Usyk and these other Cruiserweights are the same losers wasting space in here with Povetkin posts every other day.

[BitPlayer]

Don't really see why Kovalev is being ranked. Not beat anyone great since getting stopped by Ward, whatever people think of the Stevenson sitatuion, he hasn't got the win over him, I certainly don't think he's even reestablished himself as No.1 in the division with some of the up and comers too, I don't think his resume is that stacked and I think it's to be seen if Ward took something out of him.

[NateJR]

Crawford
Garcia
Lomachenko
Alvarez
GGG
Spence
Joshua
Wilder
Usyk
Inoue

After last night I'd probably swap Spence and GGG. Alvarez IMO is still a clear #4 because he's fought in multiple divisons and fought better competition than the rest of them. I also feel he's more skilled than the likes of GGG and Spence, but less skilled than my top 3.

[Sorono]

The Loserweight Division, I mean the Cruiserweight Division (excuse me) is probably the worst division in Boxing and has been for years. I’m glad Usyk is there to spice it up but I’ve seen several of his fights and he’s a big slap puncher and I’m not a fan of it. Sure he throws a bunch of punches but Leo has shown us all way more skill and toughness than Usyk has. U can’t be serious.

The division never looked better. One of the best divisions in boxing. Only reason why the top cw lose is cazse the top fights the top. Not like ww where crawford, spence & thurman avoid each other. Usyk, dorticos, breidis & gassiev fight each other!

Silliness. Only hardcore European boxing fans really give a crap about the division or any of the names that you spew. They are top fighters in the division but doesn't mean that they are top fighters in the sport. The same people that love Usyk and these other Cruiserweights are the same losers wasting space in here with Povetkin posts every other day.

Mentioning usyk in the same sentence with povetkin is silly. One is the best cw ever, the other a b class heavyweight.

Maybe not casual fans of boxing know much about the current cw scene, but boxrec is a forum for experts and experts love the current cw divisions.

[ValMar]

The division never looked better. One of the best divisions in boxing. Only reason why the top cw lose is cazse the top fights the top. Not like ww where crawford, spence & thurman avoid each other. Usyk, dorticos, breidis & gassiev fight each other!

Silliness. Only hardcore European boxing fans really give a crap about the division or any of the names that you spew. They are top fighters in the division but doesn't mean that they are top fighters in the sport. The same people that love Usyk and these other Cruiserweights are the same losers wasting space in here with Povetkin posts every other day.

Mentioning usyk in the same sentence with povetkin is silly. One is the best cw ever, the other a b class heavyweight.

Maybe not casual fans of boxing know much about the current cw scene, but boxrec is a forum for experts and experts love the current cw divisions.

I can not agree with you.
1. I like Usyk, but the best CW ever is Holyfield. There is no dilemma.
2. Povetkin is/was not a "b class HW" . He is among top 10 HWs at least seven years (maybe more).
3. Speaking about "the experts" on this kind of forum is not serious. We are, mainly, the genuine boxing fans, but the experts are well paid for their opinions.

[Heretic]

Mentioning usyk in the same sentence with povetkin is silly. One is the best cw ever, the other a b class heavyweight.

B-class HW

One that was titlist who made four successful defenses. Only beaten once and that was against ATG level boxer. Still has the second best resume in whole division.

Maybe not casual fans of boxing know much about the current cw scene, but boxrec is a forum for experts and experts love the current cw divisions.

You don't need to be any kind of expert to enjoy the CW division.

Easily one of the very best divisions in boxing currently. Great matches all the time

[ElJefe]

This is going to be long winded.

On February 1st I posted this:

1. Gennady Golovkin
2. Terence Crawford
3. Vasyl Lomachenko
4. Saul Alvarez
5. Srisaket Sor Rungivsai
6. Nayoa Inoue
7. Mikey Garcia
8. Sergey Kovalev
9. Oleksandr Usyk
10. Errol Spence Jr.

I think Golovkin has beaten Canelo and Jacobs (probably #2 and #3) in the past 18 months so it'd be unfair to drop him. I also try to rank fighters on resume rather than the eye test. I know you could argue that the official result against Canelo should mean he should be dropped but its my list so its my rules.

Linares is a better win than Horn so Loma maybe deserves to move above Crawford.

I'm not sure how to tackle the Alvarez drug issue. I think he's been dropped from the RING rankings so I'll probably do the same from my equally prestigious rankings. Unlucky, Saul, you're out. Everyone moves up a place.

Mikey (then #7, now #6) has fought once since my previous list. That was a UD over Lipinets. A good win but not enough to move higher. Garcia stays at #6.

Kovalev, Usyk and Spence are potentially interchangeable for me. Part of me feels like Kovalev shouldn't be there but his resume is deeper than that of Usyk and Spence. Maybe Spence would move above Usyk with another KO win, albeit against a weak opponent. I'll stick with Kovalev at #7 by virtue of his losses (I thought he won the first) coming against a top fighter in Ward. Then Spence at #8 and Usyk at #9. But if Usyk beats Gassiev this summer he probably goes above both to #7 and maybe even threatens Garcia at #6 depending on how Mikey looks against Easter.

Now to decide who comes in at #10. I'd probably go with Thurman but he misses out due to inactivity. Juan Francisco Estrada is in the 10-15 range but he's coming off a loss so misses out. A winner in the Stevenson-Jack fight would have made the top 10 for me. I've got them both just outside. I'm going to go with Leo Santa Cruz. He has wins over Frampton and Mares in the last 18 months. If he fights and beats Russell Jr then he solidifies his position. Right now it's vulnerable and a good comeback win for Thurman, or a win for Stevenson/Jack if they rematch, or a win for Estrada if he rematches Sor Rungvisai might be enough to overtake. If Joshua was to beat Wilder I'd have to consider him too. He's way past his prime but I think Manny beat Horn so for me his record post-Floyd should read as wins over Bradley, Vargas and Horn. Again, the official result is that Horn lost but I'm going off my own scorecards.

TL;DR?

1. Gennady Golovkin
2. Vasyl Lomachenko
3. Terence Crawford
4. Srisaket Sor Rungvisai
5. Naoya Inoue
6. Mikey Garcia
7. Sergey Kovalev
8. Errol Spence Jr
9. Oleksandr Usyk
10. Leo Santa Cruz

Honourable mentions: Adonis Stevenson, Badou Jack, Juan Francisco Estrada, Keith Thurman, Anthony Joshua, Manny Pacquiao.

[caldo2025]

The division never looked better. One of the best divisions in boxing. Only reason why the top cw lose is cazse the top fights the top. Not like ww where crawford, spence & thurman avoid each other. Usyk, dorticos, breidis & gassiev fight each other!

Silliness. Only hardcore European boxing fans really give a crap about the division or any of the names that you spew. They are top fighters in the division but doesn't mean that they are top fighters in the sport. The same people that love Usyk and these other Cruiserweights are the same losers wasting space in here with Povetkin posts every other day.

Mentioning usyk in the same sentence with povetkin is silly. One is the best cw ever, the other a b class heavyweight.

Maybe not casual fans of boxing know much about the current cw scene, but boxrec is a forum for experts and experts love the current cw divisions.

You are cracked because there's maybe 3 or 4 people that I've run into on this site in my years of membership that I would consider "experts" and they are all long gone now. Now you have a bunch of people that "think" they are experts but couldn't be further from it.

For you to say that Usyk is one of the greatest ever is one of the most ridiculous statements i've heard on here. You would definitely be falling in the latter half of my statement above.

[world ranked]

I love resumes so Loma, GGG, Canelo, Crawford, Inoue, Garcia, Uysk, Rungvisai, Thurman, LSC
HM: Kovalev, Gassiev, Groves, Hurd