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Re: British Top 30 P4P July 2018
Posted: 03 Jul 2018, 05:50
by Horse
forcefraser wrote: ↑01 Jul 2018, 14:18
Khan has beaten Maidana, Aleksander, Collazo, Kotelnik, Malinaggi and Phil le farkin Greco. Murray has beaten? A 12 year old Blackwell and Max Bursak?
Change their places immediately or I’ll have no choice but to end you.
As I've said many times; I rate Murray relatively highly because of his very competitive world class losses and draw more so than his best wins.
Murray's last opponent was significantly better than Khan's last opponent and Murray has also been a lot busier than Khan in the last few years.
Re: British Top 30 P4P July 2018
Posted: 03 Jul 2018, 05:51
by Horse
Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑01 Jul 2018, 14:27Ah good, we haven’t had a ‘Murray is too high’ argument for a while now. Horse has a bizarrely high opinion of Murray which is shared by no-one else.
Shame on everyone else.
Re: British Top 30 P4P July 2018
Posted: 03 Jul 2018, 06:00
by Horse
DrDuke wrote: ↑01 Jul 2018, 15:26
Fury can be higher, he's formally still a lineal champion after all.
When he starts fighting top 100 ranked heavyweights then he might begin to climb the rankings again.
Re: British Top 30 P4P July 2018
Posted: 03 Jul 2018, 06:01
by Stuarty
Horse wrote: ↑03 Jul 2018, 05:39
Stuarty wrote: ↑01 Jul 2018, 13:21
Good list
Crolla a bit high for me and also 6 in the list is being a bit kind to Burnett. We've still to see the best of him against a top guy at bantam. ZZ (can't be arsed even attempting to spell that one) was a solid win but he's not had a KO in years and I find him a bit of a boring watch but that's just my personal taste. I suppose.
Burnett is perhaps on the high side. Haskins and Zhakiyanov are not the highest calibre of world level wins, but he beat them both very clearly and he did manage to unify the IBF and WBA titles in beating them.
The gap between 6th place and 14th place isn't very big and there could be a lot of changes there by the end of the year if most/all of these guys fight again.
Stuarty wrote: ↑01 Jul 2018, 13:21Good to see Taylor jump up so high as well
With Taylor entering the WBSS tournament he could be in contention for the top spot if he can win it.
Burnett in the WBSS as well but probably has a harder task than Taylor with Inoue and Tete in there.
Re: British Top 30 P4P July 2018
Posted: 03 Jul 2018, 12:09
by samwbr
Brook isn't top 20.
Re: British Top 30 P4P July 2018
Posted: 03 Jul 2018, 13:31
by Horse
dr_devious wrote: ↑01 Jul 2018, 15:47
Good list, I'd have Yafai and Selby in the top ten with Bellew and Crolla out of the top ten
That's a reasonable opinion.
Re: British Top 30 P4P July 2018
Posted: 03 Jul 2018, 13:33
by Boxerbeetle
Horse wrote: ↑03 Jul 2018, 13:31
dr_devious wrote: ↑01 Jul 2018, 15:47
Good list, I'd have Yafai and Selby in the top ten with Bellew and Crolla out of the top ten
That's a reasonable opinion.
Pains me to say it as a fan, but Selby doesn’t deserve to be in the top ten, he hasn’t looked good for a while and was really awful against Warrington.
Re: British Top 30 P4P July 2018
Posted: 03 Jul 2018, 13:35
by Horse
His record is pretty decent.
I think that Eubank Jr. is an underrated fighter since his loss to Groves.
Re: British Top 30 P4P July 2018
Posted: 03 Jul 2018, 13:40
by Horse
cocka09 wrote: ↑02 Jul 2018, 09:19
I'd have Frampton and Burnett higher but a pretty solid list.
You'd have Frampton at No. 1? I don't think he has a serious claim for the No. 1 spot at the moment.
Frampton's fighting some absolute no mark next, whilst Joshua is likely to be fighting Povetkin.
Joshua deserves the top spot far more than Frampton right now.
Re: British Top 30 P4P July 2018
Posted: 03 Jul 2018, 14:08
by Horse
TopGun wrote: ↑02 Jul 2018, 09:25
Few years ago this top 10 would have been strong world contenders, but with Brook, Khan, Quigg Frampton etc losing British boxing on the world stage has taken a beating recently....
Yeah, but I think we have a lot of potential.
10 years ago we had 3 lineal champions. It's difficult to replicate that type of success.
I think we can do it though.
Re: British Top 30 P4P July 2018
Posted: 03 Jul 2018, 14:28
by Stuarty
Horse wrote: ↑03 Jul 2018, 13:40
cocka09 wrote: ↑02 Jul 2018, 09:19
I'd have Frampton and Burnett higher but a pretty solid list.
You'd have Frampton at No. 1? I don't think he has a serious claim for the No. 1 spot at the moment.
Frampton's fighting some absolute no mark next, whilst Joshua is likely to be fighting Povetkin.
Joshua deserves the top spot far more than Frampton right now.
Framptons next opponent is woeful. I was hoping to go over to that fight but I'm saving my money.
Re: British Top 30 P4P July 2018
Posted: 04 Jul 2018, 04:24
by MarkMcBurney
Horse wrote: ↑03 Jul 2018, 13:35
His record is pretty decent.
I think that Eubank Jr. is an underrated fighter since his loss to Groves.
Records are for DJ's, Donkey...
Re: British Top 30 P4P July 2018
Posted: 05 Jul 2018, 07:54
by Horse
ewenhay wrote: ↑02 Jul 2018, 11:53That's fair enough RE Burns. Crolla is too high for me. He's not exactly busy either. I understand why you've got him higher because he got the decision against Burns and had two fights with Linares before that but the reality is there's a paper thin difference between Burns and Crolla at this stage.
Yeah, maybe I'm forgetting how close their fight was.
The problem is that the bottom 10 falls about 5 times faster than the top 10, so a fairly small gap can become a big gap pretty quickly.
If Burns can beat any top 10 domestic fighter etc. he'll move up the list significantly more than most would for a similar win. He's just got to fight someone worth something again.
Re: British Top 30 P4P July 2018
Posted: 05 Jul 2018, 09:01
by Horse
Stuarty wrote: ↑03 Jul 2018, 06:01Burnett in the WBSS as well but probably has a harder task than Taylor with Inoue and Tete in there.
That tournament looks a fair bit tougher, obviously if he can win that then he'll be very high up the list.
Re: British Top 30 P4P July 2018
Posted: 05 Jul 2018, 09:32
by Horse
samwbr wrote: ↑03 Jul 2018, 12:09
Brook isn't top 20.
I think based on his overall record he still deserves a top 20 spot.
He won't keep such a high spot for long if he keeps fighting the likes of Brandon Cook though.
Re: British Top 30 P4P July 2018
Posted: 05 Jul 2018, 18:40
by Stuarty
Horse wrote: ↑05 Jul 2018, 09:01
Stuarty wrote: ↑03 Jul 2018, 06:01Burnett in the WBSS as well but probably has a harder task than Taylor with Inoue and Tete in there.
That tournament looks a fair bit tougher, obviously if he can win that then he'll be very high up the list.
Definitely mate. I enjoy your lists every month. You do a good job
Re: British Top 30 P4P July 2018
Posted: 06 Jul 2018, 07:00
by cocka09
Horse wrote: ↑05 Jul 2018, 09:01
Stuarty wrote: ↑03 Jul 2018, 06:01Burnett in the WBSS as well but probably has a harder task than Taylor with Inoue and Tete in there.
That tournament looks a fair bit tougher, obviously if he can win that then he'll be very high up the list.
Probably enough for top spot if he can put wins together against Inoue and Tete?
Re: British Top 30 P4P July 2018
Posted: 06 Jul 2018, 07:25
by keithmoonhangover
Horse wrote: ↑01 Jul 2018, 08:00
1. (1.) Anthony Joshua
2. (2.) Carl Frampton
3. (3.) George Groves
4. (4.) Billy Joe Saunders
5. (5.) James DeGale
6. (6.) Ryan Burnett
7. (7.) Josh Warrington
8. (8.) Tony Bellew
9. (9.) Anthony Crolla
10. (10.) Kell Brook
11. (11.) Khalid Yafai
12. (22.) Josh Taylor
13. (12.) Lee Selby
14. (13.) Luke Campbell
15. (14.) Tyson Fury
16. (15.) Chris Eubank Jr.
17. (16.) Callum Smith
18. (23.) Gavin McDonnell
19. (17.) Jamie McDonnell
20. (19.) Scott Quigg
21. (27.) Martin Murray
22. (20.) Amir Khan
23. (21.) Dillian Whyte
24. (18.) Terry Flanagan
25. (24.) John Ryder
26. (RE.) Jack Catterall
27. (NE.) Lewis Ritson
28. (25.) Hughie Fury
29. (26.) James Tennyson
30. (28.) Ricky Burns
Out - (29.) Sam Eggington
Out - (30.) Liam Smith
Martin Murray is miles too high.
Re: British Top 30 P4P July 2018
Posted: 06 Jul 2018, 07:43
by Stuarty
keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑06 Jul 2018, 07:25
Horse wrote: ↑01 Jul 2018, 08:00
1. (1.) Anthony Joshua
2. (2.) Carl Frampton
3. (3.) George Groves
4. (4.) Billy Joe Saunders
5. (5.) James DeGale
6. (6.) Ryan Burnett
7. (7.) Josh Warrington
8. (8.) Tony Bellew
9. (9.) Anthony Crolla
10. (10.) Kell Brook
11. (11.) Khalid Yafai
12. (22.) Josh Taylor
13. (12.) Lee Selby
14. (13.) Luke Campbell
15. (14.) Tyson Fury
16. (15.) Chris Eubank Jr.
17. (16.) Callum Smith
18. (23.) Gavin McDonnell
19. (17.) Jamie McDonnell
20. (19.) Scott Quigg
21. (27.) Martin Murray
22. (20.) Amir Khan
23. (21.) Dillian Whyte
24. (18.) Terry Flanagan
25. (24.) John Ryder
26. (RE.) Jack Catterall
27. (NE.) Lewis Ritson
28. (25.) Hughie Fury
29. (26.) James Tennyson
30. (28.) Ricky Burns
Out - (29.) Sam Eggington
Out - (30.) Liam Smith
Martin Murray is miles too high.
Don't start him off
Re: British Top 30 P4P July 2018
Posted: 06 Jul 2018, 08:06
by keithmoonhangover
Stuarty wrote: ↑06 Jul 2018, 07:43
keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑06 Jul 2018, 07:25
Horse wrote: ↑01 Jul 2018, 08:00
1. (1.) Anthony Joshua
2. (2.) Carl Frampton
3. (3.) George Groves
4. (4.) Billy Joe Saunders
5. (5.) James DeGale
6. (6.) Ryan Burnett
7. (7.) Josh Warrington
8. (8.) Tony Bellew
9. (9.) Anthony Crolla
10. (10.) Kell Brook
11. (11.) Khalid Yafai
12. (22.) Josh Taylor
13. (12.) Lee Selby
14. (13.) Luke Campbell
15. (14.) Tyson Fury
16. (15.) Chris Eubank Jr.
17. (16.) Callum Smith
18. (23.) Gavin McDonnell
19. (17.) Jamie McDonnell
20. (19.) Scott Quigg
21. (27.) Martin Murray
22. (20.) Amir Khan
23. (21.) Dillian Whyte
24. (18.) Terry Flanagan
25. (24.) John Ryder
26. (RE.) Jack Catterall
27. (NE.) Lewis Ritson
28. (25.) Hughie Fury
29. (26.) James Tennyson
30. (28.) Ricky Burns
Out - (29.) Sam Eggington
Out - (30.) Liam Smith
Martin Murray is miles too high.
Don't start him off
If I wanted to start him off, I'd point out that Frampton is not British.
Re: British Top 30 P4P July 2018
Posted: 06 Jul 2018, 08:15
by cocka09
Just noticed Belfast has 3 fighters on the list, pretty good return. Any other cities top that?
Re: British Top 30 P4P July 2018
Posted: 06 Jul 2018, 09:48
by Stuarty
keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑06 Jul 2018, 08:06
Stuarty wrote: ↑06 Jul 2018, 07:43
Don't start him off
If I wanted to start him off, I'd point out that Frampton is not British.
You'll just start me off with that patter
Re: British Top 30 P4P July 2018
Posted: 06 Jul 2018, 09:59
by keithmoonhangover
Re: British Top 30 P4P July 2018
Posted: 06 Jul 2018, 10:12
by Stuarty
Muthafuckah
Re: British Top 30 P4P July 2018
Posted: 06 Jul 2018, 10:45
by keithmoonhangover
Stuarty wrote: ↑06 Jul 2018, 10:12
Muthafuckah
It has been known.
Not my own of course.
