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Posted: **06 Jul 2018, 07:04**

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑06 Jul 2018, 06:53 What impressive feat has Bermane Stiverne achieved within the last fifty months?

He recently won a cheese toastie eating competition in a cafe in Huddersfield. Does that count?

Posted: **06 Jul 2018, 08:55**

He's currently outside the top 100

Posted: **06 Jul 2018, 09:34**

dagilechia wrote: ↑06 Jul 2018, 08:55 He's currently outside the top 100

I don't think anyone would argue against this.
He needs to retire

Posted: **06 Jul 2018, 17:56**

dagilechia wrote: ↑06 Jul 2018, 08:55 He's currently outside the top 100

I think there are tons of HW's that would've done better than the version that showed up against Wilder. He was horrifically out of shape.

Posted: **07 Jul 2018, 01:06**

James9753 wrote: ↑05 Jul 2018, 05:07 How good is Bermane Stiverne? He's been currently inactive since the last Wilder fight, I was wondering if he's retired or just taking time out?

And how does he rate overall as a fighter looking at his performances against Arreola and Wilder?

Was he ever in the same bracket as other top contenders and champions like Povetkin, Ortiz and Pulev?

Not very. Overrated and fat.

Posted: **10 Jul 2018, 13:32**

same old story

he was managed by a ghoul who got him a phony world ranking in the first place.

the return match with Wilder was probably one of the most undeserved hw bauble tilt's in living memory.

and, following the pattern of washed up used and abused shells from the 80's onwards, it was fairly obvious that Stiverne wouldn't last a round.

As much as I hate the politics involved...I have to admit to an even greater loathing for the 'fans' who continue to pay money for this sh*te.
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Posted: **13 Jul 2018, 13:31**

jamamb wrote: ↑05 Jul 2018, 23:51 was there really all that much hype and praise for aj taking on brezeale?

No.

He'd scraped a win against Amir Monsour because Monsour had bitten his tongue and he was a big fat American. That's all I knew about him. The win has improved in hindsight because he's since proved himself to be brave and got a decent win under his belt (the lad that used to train with Parker, I forget his name.)

But I can't recall anybody being impressed at the time.

Posted: **13 Jul 2018, 19:19**

At the time WIlder beat him the first time he was a top ten if not top five. Since then he been trash so its depending on the version of Stiverne pre or post WIlder 1.

Posted: **13 Jul 2018, 20:20**

world ranked wrote: ↑13 Jul 2018, 19:19 At the time WIlder beat him the first time he was a top ten if not top five. Since then he been trash so its depending on the version of Stiverne pre or post WIlder 1.

Stiverne has always been trash. Don't let rankings fool you.

Posted: **13 Jul 2018, 20:49**

clopixolacuphase wrote: ↑13 Jul 2018, 13:31
jamamb wrote: ↑05 Jul 2018, 23:51 was there really all that much hype and praise for aj taking on brezeale?
No.

He'd scraped a win against Amir Monsour because Monsour had bitten his tongue and he was a big fat American. That's all I knew about him. The win has improved in hindsight because he's since proved himself to be brave and got a decent win under his belt (the lad that used to train with Parker, I forget his name.)

But I can't recall anybody being impressed at the time.

Ugonoh- it was a courageous and impressive win. Brazeale got off the canvas to finish Ugonoh after Ugonoh wore himself out beating up Brazeale

Posted: **14 Jul 2018, 13:28**

punchoutsb wrote: ↑13 Jul 2018, 20:20
world ranked wrote: ↑13 Jul 2018, 19:19 At the time WIlder beat him the first time he was a top ten if not top five. Since then he been trash so its depending on the version of Stiverne pre or post WIlder 1.
Stiverne has always been trash. Don't let rankings fool you.

Trash is relative. At that time a win over Arreola was top 5. The division had been conquered by Klitschko as was in transition.
That was a quality win for WIlder at that time. As a fighter might be trash but in relative to the division at that time he wasn't.

Posted: **14 Jul 2018, 13:29**

KiwiRider wrote: ↑13 Jul 2018, 20:49
clopixolacuphase wrote: ↑13 Jul 2018, 13:31
jamamb wrote: ↑05 Jul 2018, 23:51 was there really all that much hype and praise for aj taking on brezeale?
No.

He'd scraped a win against Amir Monsour because Monsour had bitten his tongue and he was a big fat American. That's all I knew about him. The win has improved in hindsight because he's since proved himself to be brave and got a decent win under his belt (the lad that used to train with Parker, I forget his name.)

But I can't recall anybody being impressed at the time.
Ugonoh- it was a courageous and impressive win. Brazeale got off the canvas to finish Ugonoh after Ugonoh wore himself out beating up Brazeale

Ugonoh was after Joshua right?

Posted: **14 Jul 2018, 14:29**

world ranked wrote: ↑14 Jul 2018, 13:28
punchoutsb wrote: ↑13 Jul 2018, 20:20
world ranked wrote: ↑13 Jul 2018, 19:19 At the time WIlder beat him the first time he was a top ten if not top five. Since then he been trash so its depending on the version of Stiverne pre or post WIlder 1.
Stiverne has always been trash. Don't let rankings fool you.
Trash is relative. At that time a win over Arreola was top 5. The division had been conquered by Klitschko as was in transition.
That was a quality win for WIlder at that time. As a fighter might be trash but in relative to the division at that time he wasn't.

I'm not arguing that. He was a legit top ranked fighter when Wilder beat him. He just happened to earn that ranking by beating the same overrated journeyman twice. He is lucky to have come around when he did, otherwise he'd have been fodder for Calvin Brock, a younger Ray Austin, Lamon Brewster, Tony Thompson etc etc. The question was how good was Stiverne. The answer is not very.

Posted: **14 Jul 2018, 16:56**

astradamus wrote: ↑14 Jul 2018, 16:22
punchoutsb wrote: ↑14 Jul 2018, 14:29
world ranked wrote: ↑14 Jul 2018, 13:28
Trash is relative. At that time a win over Arreola was top 5. The division had been conquered by Klitschko as was in transition.
That was a quality win for WIlder at that time. As a fighter might be trash but in relative to the division at that time he wasn't.
I'm not arguing that. He was a legit top ranked fighter when Wilder beat him. He just happened to earn that ranking by beating the same overrated journeyman twice. He is lucky to have come around when he did, otherwise he'd have been fodder for Calvin Brock, a younger Ray Austin, Lamon Brewster, Tony Thompson etc etc. The question was how good was Stiverne. The answer is not very.
Well, I'm sorry, but even Wilder his biggest fans on youtube at the time called both Stiverne, as well as Arreola, just overweight cruiserweights and not serious heavyweights, let alone in their prime.

Arreola was a bit past his best, but that was Stivernes prime...paltry as it was.

Posted: **15 Jul 2018, 02:43**

even before beating arreola hed been stopped by a journeyman, drew with a journeyman, and was getting his head boxed off by 40 year old ray austin. he got those wins over arreola to get ranked but he was never that good. there are all sorts of guys who over the years get ranked in the top 10 at some point or another but really werent all that. hes one of them

hes got some solid power but is very limited overall. some of the slowest feet in a division with lots of slow guys (arreola walked right to him and wasnt that tall for hw so it fit him). made ray austin look like a masterful jabber and mover for 10 rounds, all it took was a little movement and length and bermane was befuddled. and everyone wilder has defended against had more competitive moments vs deontay then bermane did. even eric molina and gerald washington

Posted: **15 Jul 2018, 13:11**

astradamus wrote: ↑15 Jul 2018, 06:16
punchoutsb wrote: ↑14 Jul 2018, 16:56
astradamus wrote: ↑14 Jul 2018, 16:22
Well, I'm sorry, but even Wilder his biggest fans on youtube at the time called both Stiverne, as well as Arreola, just overweight cruiserweights and not serious heavyweights, let alone in their prime.
Arreola was a bit past his best, but that was Stivernes prime...paltry as it was.
A bit past his best?!
Hello?!
He lost against Thomas Adamek 4 years before his Stiverne fights! He was busted with peds before the Stiverne fights, we're talking about an overweight junkie, not about a top heavyweight boxer, lol.

Wake up!

I don't think you know what prime even means.

Posted: **15 Jul 2018, 22:32**

astradamus wrote: ↑15 Jul 2018, 13:47
punchoutsb wrote: ↑15 Jul 2018, 13:11
astradamus wrote: ↑15 Jul 2018, 06:16
A bit past his best?!
Hello?!
He lost against Thomas Adamek 4 years before his Stiverne fights! He was busted with peds before the Stiverne fights, we're talking about an overweight junkie, not about a top heavyweight boxer, lol.

Wake up!
I don't think you know what prime even means.
Oké, go ahead, tell me what Stiverne his prime was.

The same as every other fighter that has ever lived; the period where he was at his best. I'd say it likely ran from 2010-2015 when Wilder beat him.

Posted: **16 Jul 2018, 11:29**

Stiverne is a retired joke. Can't believe there's a thread on him.

Posted: **16 Jul 2018, 12:59**

astradamus wrote: ↑16 Jul 2018, 08:52
punchoutsb wrote: ↑15 Jul 2018, 22:32
astradamus wrote: ↑15 Jul 2018, 13:47
Oké, go ahead, tell me what Stiverne his prime was.
The same as every other fighter that has ever lived; the period where he was at his best. I'd say it likely ran from 2010-2015 when Wilder beat him.
So... A badly losing fight where he get's outpointed against Ray Austin, but with a lucky hit in the 10th round and a Ray Austin standing on this feets ready to continue the fight and then getting flagged of by the referee wrongly is Stiverne in his prime?
I don't think even you want to show off about his performance against Willie Herring do you?
And in februari 2015, that's just out of his prime according to you if you mean what I think you mean, he fought Wilder and lost.

I know what someone's prime is and Deontay is in his prime now, but Wilder wasn't and neither was Stiverne, in his prime at 2015 and I don't even think Stiverne really had a prime at all.

Stiverne was pretty much the Charles Martin of AJ, and I think the current Charles Martin, despite the fact he has literally been shot, would destroy Stiverne in his prime.

Prime simply means the time when you are at your own personal best. Every single person to ever lace up a glove has a prime. It doesn't mean you're good, simply that it's your best time. For example, this is likely your prime as a boxrec poster; you're not good, but it's probably the best we can expect.

Posted: **16 Jul 2018, 14:59**

Tony1244 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2018, 11:29 Stiverne is a retired joke. Can't believe there's a thread on him.

He got a mandatory world title shot when he was a (n unofficially) retired joke FFS, never mind a thread on Boxrec.

It's not so much the fact that Sulaiman and the World Boxing Conspiracy, are absolutely and irredeemably corrupt that gets me, it's more the fact they don't even see any reason to try and conceal it.

Is it it really too much to ask for a boxing kingpin who cares about the sport, the boxers and isn't interested in wallowing in sleaze and accumulating a personal fortune and an empire?

Posted: **16 Jul 2018, 19:24**

astradamus wrote: ↑16 Jul 2018, 14:17
punchoutsb wrote: ↑16 Jul 2018, 12:59
astradamus wrote: ↑16 Jul 2018, 08:52
So... A badly losing fight where he get's outpointed against Ray Austin, but with a lucky hit in the 10th round and a Ray Austin standing on this feets ready to continue the fight and then getting flagged of by the referee wrongly is Stiverne in his prime?
I don't think even you want to show off about his performance against Willie Herring do you?
And in februari 2015, that's just out of his prime according to you if you mean what I think you mean, he fought Wilder and lost.

I know what someone's prime is and Deontay is in his prime now, but Wilder wasn't and neither was Stiverne, in his prime at 2015 and I don't even think Stiverne really had a prime at all.

Stiverne was pretty much the Charles Martin of AJ, and I think the current Charles Martin, despite the fact he has literally been shot, would destroy Stiverne in his prime.
Prime simply means the time when you are at your own personal best. Every single person to ever lace up a glove has a prime. It doesn't mean you're good, simply that it's your best time. For example, this is likely your prime as a boxrec poster; you're not good, but it's probably the best we can expect.
You don't need to tell me what someone's prime is, I just want you to realise that Stiverne is in his prime right now, he won't get any better and he has always been terrible, his luck had to end at some point and it was supposed to be against Ray Austin, but eventually it happened against the 16 years younger Wilder, who certainly wasn't in his prime either at the time he won the WBC, there where many many contenders out there who were far far superior to him.

You clearly have no idea what being in prime means, you've at least proven that point. Skill, luck, superior contenders have nothing to do with anything.

Posted: **17 Jul 2018, 09:57**

astradamus wrote: ↑17 Jul 2018, 03:12
punchoutsb wrote: ↑16 Jul 2018, 19:24
astradamus wrote: ↑16 Jul 2018, 14:17
You don't need to tell me what someone's prime is, I just want you to realise that Stiverne is in his prime right now, he won't get any better and he has always been terrible, his luck had to end at some point and it was supposed to be against Ray Austin, but eventually it happened against the 16 years younger Wilder, who certainly wasn't in his prime either at the time he won the WBC, there where many many contenders out there who were far far superior to him.
You clearly have no idea what being in prime means, you've at least proven that point. Skill, luck, superior contenders have nothing to do with anything.
A prime Stiverne would lose against a 50 year old Shannon Briggs by KO in the early rounds. You're the one who claimed 2010 till 2015 was Stiverne his prime, I just say he was lucky to win against Ray Austin and Willie Herring within his prime. And everybody knows what prime is, it doesn't even have anything to do with boxing, even barely with sports at all. It's like saying you don't even know what a ring is, or what gloves are, or a belt.

If the point you're trying to make is that your very confused you're doing a great job. If it's not then you should just stop. It appears English isn't your first language so that's likely where the lack of comprehension is coming from.

Posted: **17 Jul 2018, 15:50**

punchoutsb wrote: ↑16 Jul 2018, 19:24
astradamus wrote: ↑16 Jul 2018, 14:17
punchoutsb wrote: ↑16 Jul 2018, 12:59
Prime simply means the time when you are at your own personal best. Every single person to ever lace up a glove has a prime. It doesn't mean you're good, simply that it's your best time. For example, this is likely your prime as a boxrec poster; you're not good, but it's probably the best we can expect.
You don't need to tell me what someone's prime is, I just want you to realise that Stiverne is in his prime right now, he won't get any better and he has always been terrible, his luck had to end at some point and it was supposed to be against Ray Austin, but eventually it happened against the 16 years younger Wilder, who certainly wasn't in his prime either at the time he won the WBC, there where many many contenders out there who were far far superior to him.
You clearly have no idea what being in prime means, you've at least proven that point. Skill, luck, superior contenders have nothing to do with anything.

When is Charles Martin going to fight again? He's been out for nearly a year.

Posted: **17 Jul 2018, 18:45**

punchoutsb wrote: ↑15 Jul 2018, 22:32
astradamus wrote: ↑15 Jul 2018, 13:47
punchoutsb wrote: ↑15 Jul 2018, 13:11
I don't think you know what prime even means.
Oké, go ahead, tell me what Stiverne his prime was.
The same as every other fighter that has ever lived; the period where he was at his best. I'd say it likely ran from 2010-2015 when Wilder beat him.

Prime isn't the same for every fighter.'

Posted: **17 Jul 2018, 19:29**

world ranked wrote: ↑17 Jul 2018, 18:45
punchoutsb wrote: ↑15 Jul 2018, 22:32
astradamus wrote: ↑15 Jul 2018, 13:47
Oké, go ahead, tell me what Stiverne his prime was.
The same as every other fighter that has ever lived; the period where he was at his best. I'd say it likely ran from 2010-2015 when Wilder beat him.
Prime isn't the same for every fighter.'

Every fighter has a prime and that prime is the period when they are at their best. I'm not sure if that's what you're trying to disagree with or was it something else?

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