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IKSRTFO wrote: ↑27 Jul 2018, 10:01 https://www.BS.com/mikey-garci ... ke--130331

I don't consider Garcia a joke anyway.

But if he could defeat Spence then he would have to be ranked as maybe the P4P best.

I don't think that Garcia is blowing smoke about wanting to challenge Spence.

He's mentioned it too many times to just be talking off the cuff.

He's serious. Seems like a mistake, but if the fight is made, give Garcia credit for taking a monumental risk. Win or lose.

He really seems to want to fight Spence. With how confident he is, I really think he can do it. The guy used to regularly spar with 154 lbers., and he used to regularly beat up on Maidana .

SenorPipino wrote: ↑27 Jul 2018, 13:35

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑27 Jul 2018, 10:01 https://www.BS.com/mikey-garci ... ke--130331

I don't consider Garcia a joke anyway.

But if he could defeat Spence then he would have to be ranked as maybe the P4P best.

I don't think that Garcia is blowing smoke about wanting to challenge Spence.

He's mentioned it too many times to just be talking off the cuff.

He's serious. Seems like a mistake, but if the fight is made, give Garcia credit for taking a monumental risk. Win or lose.

I think Garcia is totally serious and really believes he can beat Spence or Crawford at 147 right now but both are too big and too strong for him.

Mikey is one of my favorite fighters but I really think he is biting off more than he can chew to challenge Spence or Crawford at 147 right now. Pac is a different story because he is already 39 and well passed his peak. Crawford is at his peak right now and Spence is still getting better.

The smartest move, both financially and legacy-wise for Garcia is to face Pac now and deal with Crawford and/or Spence down the road.

Best Coast wrote: ↑26 Jul 2018, 01:54

SenorPipino wrote: ↑25 Jul 2018, 22:18

Best Coast wrote: ↑25 Jul 2018, 20:08
Very sensible post top to bottom. Spence is just too big, strong and risky.

Pac is the perfect fight because he's coming off an impressive win over Matthysse but is not as tough at 39 as he was even 2 years ago (3rd Bradley fight).

Lomachenko-Garcia is the fight fan's fight but Pac brings in WAY more casuals, PPV buys/$$$ and global recognition in general than ANYONE else Mikey could fight.

And like you said, let Manny pick the weight since he has the pull.

The more I think about it, it seems to make more sense for Garcia to focus on making a Pacquiao fight first, and then consider Lomachenko in another year.

Pacquiao would certainly be a much more lucrative fight for Garcia, since Pac is a solid mainstream name.

And at this stage, he's probably a less risky fight for a prime Garcia than Lomachenko.

The only problem would be Mikey constantly jumping up and down in weight, which eventually can play havoc physically.

Garcia fights at lightweight, Jr. welter several times, goes down to lightweight again for Easter, and then would rise to 147 for Pacquiao.

And if successful, he would undoubtedly have to drop back down to 135 for Lomachenko.

It could backfire. But the Pac fight would be the payday of his career and Garcia needs to try and make it happen.

It would only make a Lomachenko bout bigger for both men.

I agree that moving up and down in weight can eventually wear down a fighter.

I think that was one of the things that caused Roy Jones to become so vulnerable at age 34 after looking invincible up to that point. Roy was 47-1 before and including the fight with Ruiz at HW and after the Ruiz fight he was only 19-8, with KO losses to guys like Maccarinelli and Green who wouldnt have dreamt of beating him before that.

The squeaker against Tarver and the following 2 devasating KOs to Tarver/Johnson are what led to his miserable downfall. Exposed?

pizzakid13 wrote: ↑28 Jul 2018, 13:04

Best Coast wrote: ↑26 Jul 2018, 01:54

SenorPipino wrote: ↑25 Jul 2018, 22:18

The more I think about it, it seems to make more sense for Garcia to focus on making a Pacquiao fight first, and then consider Lomachenko in another year.

Pacquiao would certainly be a much more lucrative fight for Garcia, since Pac is a solid mainstream name.

And at this stage, he's probably a less risky fight for a prime Garcia than Lomachenko.

The only problem would be Mikey constantly jumping up and down in weight, which eventually can play havoc physically.

Garcia fights at lightweight, Jr. welter several times, goes down to lightweight again for Easter, and then would rise to 147 for Pacquiao.

And if successful, he would undoubtedly have to drop back down to 135 for Lomachenko.

It could backfire. But the Pac fight would be the payday of his career and Garcia needs to try and make it happen.

It would only make a Lomachenko bout bigger for both men.

I agree that moving up and down in weight can eventually wear down a fighter.

I think that was one of the things that caused Roy Jones to become so vulnerable at age 34 after looking invincible up to that point. Roy was 47-1 before and including the fight with Ruiz at HW and after the Ruiz fight he was only 19-8, with KO losses to guys like Maccarinelli and Green who wouldnt have dreamt of beating him before that.

The squeaker against Tarver and the following 2 devasating KOs to Tarver/Johnson are what led to his miserable downfall. Exposed?

The squeaker against Tarver and the back-to-back KO losses to Tarver & Johnson happened immediately AFTER Roy's move up to HW to challenge Ruiz. You may not remember it, but Roy added the weight very methodically and scientifically. He didnt just add bulk like Michael Spinks did when he made the jump LH to HW, but did it with a dietician and physical therapist. When Roy dominated Ruiz he didnt have an ounce of fat on him.

Because of the gradual, methodical muscle-building program many thought Roy should stay at HW instead of shedding all that methodically added muscle weight and going back to 175. But RJJ didnt listen to them and the move back to LH definitely weakened Roy and he looked terrible in the first Tarver fight, despite winning the decision.

Before the ill-advised move from LH up to HW and back down to LH Roy would have easily dominated a B-level fighter Like Glencoffe Johnson, but Jones looked like a 50-year-old against Johnson who beat down RJJ so badly that Roy was behind on all 3 cards and would have needed a KO just to beat Johnson when Glen destroyed Roy in the 9th.



Do you even remember how terrible Roy looked in that fight against a guy like Johnson that he would have destroyed before the massive weight changes.?!? Roy Jones Jr was a totally SHOT fighter by the time he got destroyed by Glen Johnson.

Of course I remember it. Don't be so defensive.

That 1st fight decision was debatable also and Tarver proved it with a killer KO in the rematch. So, if you wanna use the weight drop from HW as Roy's excuse in fight 1, that's fine but I totally disagree about the two followup fights where he was destroyed.

pizzakid13 wrote: ↑29 Jul 2018, 01:02 Of course I remember it. Don't be so defensive.

That 1st fight decision was debatable also and Tarver proved it with a killer KO in the rematch. So, if you wanna use the weight drop from HW as Roy's excuse in fight 1, that's fine but I totally disagree about the two followup fights where he was destroyed.

No problem if you disagree because I'm not saying it was an excuse but a MAJOR factor why RJJ was destroyed by Tarver & Johnson because he was not the same fighter after the weight loss. Roy HIMSELF said it right after the debatable decision over Tarver, BEFORE he was humiliated by Tarver & Johnson soon after (and eventually by scrubs like Macarinelli):

https://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/10/spor ... title.html

Id like to see Mikey against Javier Fortuna or Richard Commey this year. Then megafight with Loma in 2019. 140 lbs division is empty for him because top boxers are in WBSS tournament. And he should definitely stay away from 147, sorry.

He doesn't belong in the same ring with Spence. Or Loma, honestly, but at least that one looks fair to the casual fan. The dude is just not that good. Period.

Abradolf Lincler wrote: ↑29 Jul 2018, 04:29 He doesn't belong in the same ring with Spence. Or Loma, honestly, but at least that one looks fair to the casual fan. The dude is just not that good. Period.

Man, Mikey looks very basic, but he is not. He just give a boxing lesson to Easter jr, Of course he belongs in ring with Loma. Spence with maybe 165 pounds is just too big for him.

I can Imagine Mikey Garcia - Miguel Bercheld would be a fantastic fight

loma struggled enough with linares, i dont see how anyone could say mikey doesnt belong in a ring with loma

for me thats a 75-25 fight for mikey. only thing is that i feel mikey might be a bit too steady at times, maybe sort of one paced and lacking those special effects as floyd called them. but i feel he should get the job done.

Mikey should DEFINITELY fight Spence ...

... (just as soon as Spence comes down to 135) ...

Abradolf Lincler wrote: ↑29 Jul 2018, 04:29 He doesn't belong in the same ring with Spence. Or Loma, honestly, but at least that one looks fair to the casual fan. The dude is just not that good. Period.

I'd bet money that Mikey puts Loma flat on his back and wins. Spence is a different story altogether and I would give Mikey little chance of winning that fight.

Lomachenko fight is the most wanted option. And it's pretty close to be made. Of course, Lomachenko will fight someone else after the unjury to defend his belt. Maybe right now Garcia should go for the remaining WBO belt in this weight, it will enable to make Lomachenko fight for the undisputed championship.

Abradolf Lincler wrote: ↑29 Jul 2018, 04:29 He doesn't belong in the same ring with Spence. Or Loma, honestly, but at least that one looks fair to the casual fan. The dude is just not that good. Period.

Your posts are as lame as your user name.

NateJR wrote: ↑29 Jul 2018, 06:15

Abradolf Lincler wrote: ↑29 Jul 2018, 04:29 He doesn't belong in the same ring with Spence. Or Loma, honestly, but at least that one looks fair to the casual fan. The dude is just not that good. Period.

I'd bet money that Mikey puts Loma flat on his back and wins. Spence is a different story altogether and I would give Mikey little chance of winning that fight.

Solid post. Spence is just too big and too strong for Mikey.

Mikey needs to be set in order to throw punches effectively and Loma's movements are specifically designed for opponents to never be set. IMO Mikey is pefectly cut for Loma to make him look average and outboxed. Garcias know this which is why they will never let him into the ring with Loma unless its for a career payday. It looks better to be semi-dominated by a powerful Welterweight like Spence (and then say that in a loss you still did well cause you moved up two divisions) than getting dominated by a smaller technician like Loma.

Mikey will beat Spence, then everyone will rave about how Spence was overrated or drained and should've moved up to 154. Remember that I said this.

DrDuke wrote: ↑29 Jul 2018, 09:31 Lomachenko fight is the most wanted option. And it's pretty close to be made. Of course, Lomachenko will fight someone else after the unjury to defend his belt. Maybe right now Garcia should go for the remaining WBO belt in this weight, it will enable to make Lomachenko fight for the undisputed championship.

LOL, Lomachenko is the one avoiding the fight? He's already fighting Beltran for his claim to the title at the end of this year. That sets up a full unification match between him and Mikey in 2019.

Mikey doesn't seem to like that option. So, instead he's calling out Spence. Nobody (with any brains, unlike the guy above me) gives him any chance in that one, so if he loses, it doesn't effect his career at all. Maybe some folks will actually give him kudos for even taking the fight. If he somehow wins, it's massive for his career.

Loma, despite being the far more feasible match to make, is far riskier. If he loses this one, especially in dominant fashion, he's lost to the smaller man who some still consider a hype job. And he's no longer champ.

Basically, he wants to call out someone who's a bigger threat than Loma on paper, because he knows he's just as likely to lose either. But, if he loses one, he saves face and is still champ. If he loses the other, he's fuvked.

Best Coast wrote: ↑29 Jul 2018, 17:04

Abradolf Lincler wrote: ↑29 Jul 2018, 04:29 He doesn't belong in the same ring with Spence. Or Loma, honestly, but at least that one looks fair to the casual fan. The dude is just not that good. Period.

Your posts are as lame as your user name.

It's better than Best Coast, clearly.

That said, now I know who you are. I'll be sure to call you out when Mikey makes every possible excuse to avoid either of these fights. Right after talking up as big a game as he possibly could about them to keep himself relevant. Or, better yet, if he ever has the cojones to face Loma, like he should.

Abradolf Lincler wrote: ↑29 Jul 2018, 23:25

Best Coast wrote: ↑29 Jul 2018, 17:04

Abradolf Lincler wrote: ↑29 Jul 2018, 04:29 He doesn't belong in the same ring with Spence. Or Loma, honestly, but at least that one looks fair to the casual fan. The dude is just not that good. Period.

Your posts are as lame as your user name.

It's better than Best Coast, clearly.

That said, now I know who you are. I'll be sure to call you out when Mikey makes every possible excuse to avoid either of these fights. Right after talking up as big a game as he possibly could about them to keep himself relevant. Or, better yet, if he ever has the cojones to face Loma, like he should.

No point in calling me out if Mikey has enough sense to decide against fighting Errol Spence, because I am already saying Garcia SHOULD avoid Spence, who is clearly the bigger and stronger man and heavily favored over Garcia.

But I do agree Loma is a natural fight for Mikey, though not as beneficial financially (or legacy-wise) as Pacquiao. So if he ever does make excuses for not fighting Lomachenko, feel free to call me out because I see that as a competitive matchup.

In the meantime, ask your schizophrenic buddy "Abradolf" what he thinks of the wisdom of Mikey fighting a 39-year-old Pacquiao, who like Spence has a legit welter championship that would offer Mikey the chance to win his FIFTH world title plus a MUCH bigger payday than either a Spence fight or a Lomachenko fight.

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑29 Jul 2018, 22:20 Mikey will beat Spence, then everyone will rave about how Spence was overrated or drained and should've moved up to 154. Remember that I said this.

lol like you started banging on about kovalev being overrated (despite twice being underdog yet arguably winning...since you brought him up earlier)? if it flies for you might as well fly for them

wont happen though, and of course if it does the p4p talent and big welter spence wins easily vs the guy who was 5 divisions down

jamamb wrote: ↑30 Jul 2018, 07:54

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑29 Jul 2018, 22:20 Mikey will beat Spence, then everyone will rave about how Spence was overrated or drained and should've moved up to 154. Remember that I said this.

lol like you started banging on about kovalev being overrated (despite twice being underdog yet arguably winning...since you brought him up earlier)? if it flies for you might as well fly for them

wont happen though, and of course if it does the p4p talent and big welter spence wins easily vs the guy who was 5 divisions down

Kovalev is overrated and I always thought Ward would beat him which he did twice.