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Posted: **11 Aug 2018, 17:52**

Sidney Carton wrote: ↑11 Aug 2018, 14:59
Caractacus wrote: ↑06 Aug 2018, 12:22 Middle-weight contender Tony DeMarco had a pretty good left hook.
Tony DeMarco was welterweight champion.

He never fought as a middleweight.

In his last fight, against Stefan Redl, he weighed 147 1/2.

yeah,but he fought Carmen Basilio (twice)who would go on to be middleweight champion.
so he was a 'contendah". of a future middleweight champion.

Posted: **11 Aug 2018, 19:13**

BoxBuzz wrote: ↑11 Aug 2018, 16:34
Nile4000 wrote: ↑11 Aug 2018, 16:02 Bob Foster over Joe Frazier. He coldcocked a couple of jokers, and would have done the same to Monzon as well if he got to him.

Well, that shoot out took place, and Frazier put him out like a cigarette. So not sure that rating is credible. He'd be favored against Monzon, but he would never have his way with Carlos, the way Joe had his way with Bob. That would be a long drawn out battle, I would guess Monzon would probably enjoy it, win lose or draw. Bob....well I'm not sure he'd lose, but I bet he wouldn't like the ride.

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But here is the thing: a motivated and angry Foster is a dangerous Foster, and Carlos would find that out real quick. If Carlos didn't piss Bob off, he might survive to a decision loss, if not, Monzon going to get embarrassed bad.

Posted: **11 Aug 2018, 20:45**

Caractacus wrote: ↑11 Aug 2018, 17:52
Sidney Carton wrote: ↑11 Aug 2018, 14:59
Caractacus wrote: ↑06 Aug 2018, 12:22 Middle-weight contender Tony DeMarco had a pretty good left hook.
Tony DeMarco was welterweight champion.

He never fought as a middleweight.

In his last fight, against Stefan Redl, he weighed 147 1/2.
yeah,but he fought Carmen Basilio (twice)who would go on to be middleweight champion.
so he was a 'contendah". of a future middleweight champion.

Lame.

Posted: **11 Aug 2018, 20:53**

Sibbo!!!

Posted: **12 Aug 2018, 14:07**

Caractacus wrote: ↑06 Aug 2018, 12:22 ........Tony DeMarco,,,,,,,,,,

Tony DeMarco had a great left hook.

His problem was that he punched so hard with EVERY punch that he was worn out if his oppenet made it into the later rounds.

Twice against Basilio, and also against Virgil Akins.

Posted: **12 Aug 2018, 15:37**

Sidney Carton wrote: ↑12 Aug 2018, 14:07
Caractacus wrote: ↑06 Aug 2018, 12:22 ........Tony DeMarco,,,,,,,,,,
Tony DeMarco had a great left hook.

His problem was that he punched so hard with EVERY punch that he was worn out if his opponent made it into the later rounds.

Twice against Basilio, and also against Virgil Akins.

Posted: **17 Aug 2018, 06:27**

- Wlad clearly the best left hand in the biz with a ramrod jab mixed in with range finders and beach* slappers as used on Haye.

More importantly he had a variety of full to half to quarter hooks off the jab. He never threw a rt in his demo of Ray austin, 5 left hooks delivered like a sawed off semiautomatic 12 gauge with the plug removed before Austin could even drop. Chambers never KOed before or since scarily left for dead draped thru the ropes.

Only a single rt in dominating Ibragimov who is the missing link of greatest Russian fighters you asked for. Wlad rated this southpaw silver medalist as the quickest and most awkward fighter he fought.

Tommy Loughran could win decisions with just his jab, but lacked the power of a left hook that Wlad seamlessly melded into his jab.

Posted: **17 Aug 2018, 06:36**

Joe Louis and SRR

Posted: **17 Aug 2018, 07:16**

Joe Frazier's left arm was permanently slight bent at the elbow, due to a childhood accent. So his left hook was always cocked.

Posted: **17 Aug 2018, 20:01**

Quantrax wrote: ↑17 Aug 2018, 07:16 Joe Frazier's left arm was permanently slight bent at the elbow, due to a childhood accent. So his left hook was always cocked.

Battling Nelson's left arm was permanently bent at the elbow, due to a boiler explosion when he was a child. So his left hook was always cocked.

Posted: **18 Aug 2018, 10:29**

Quantrax wrote: ↑17 Aug 2018, 07:16Joe Frazier's left arm was permanently slight bent at the elbow, due to a childhood accent. So his left hook was always cocked.

Yeah and it meant that his left approached from a weird angle (that you wouldn't 't get facing most others guys), it was sort've on the outside, then cut in to your face at the last second... It looked like a looping left, but it was actually very dangerous.

I would also say that Jack Dempsey's left hook was close and tight... And very accurate.

Posted: **18 Aug 2018, 10:35**

Crease wrote: ↑18 Aug 2018, 10:29
I would also say that Jack Dempsey's left hook was close and tight... And very accurate.

Dempsey-Tunney II

Posted: **21 Aug 2018, 17:33**

I think Felix "Tito" Trinidad has to be in the discussion. It was fast and delivered beautifully not to mention very hard and accurate. Maybe not the absolute best ever but it's up there with the best for me.

Posted: **21 Aug 2018, 19:18**

chrisjs1985 wrote: ↑21 Aug 2018, 17:33 I think Felix "Tito" Trinidad has to be in the discussion. It was fast and delivered beautifully not to mention very hard and accurate. Maybe not the absolute best ever but it's up there with the best for me.

You omitted to mention that Trinidad had illegally loaded left hand wrappings.

Posted: **21 Aug 2018, 19:20**

chrisjs1985 wrote: ↑21 Aug 2018, 17:33 I think Felix "Tito" Trinidad has to be in the discussion. It was fast and delivered beautifully not to mention very hard and accurate. Maybe not the absolute best ever but it's up there with the best for me.

And how about Trinidad's repeated low blows in many of his fights?

Posted: **21 Aug 2018, 19:25**

Sidney Carton wrote: ↑21 Aug 2018, 19:18
chrisjs1985 wrote: ↑21 Aug 2018, 17:33 I think Felix "Tito" Trinidad has to be in the discussion. It was fast and delivered beautifully not to mention very hard and accurate. Maybe not the absolute best ever but it's up there with the best for me.
You omitted to mention that Trinidad had illegally loaded left hand wrappings.

Not entirely true.

http://www.spam.com/news/article17202.html

"Joppy always felt some kind of way about that and he said something to me about catching the thing with Tito. But the thing is this, Tito Trinidad deserves to be in the Hall of Fame because the way Tito got his hands wrapped was legal in other states. It wasn't legal in New York, but it was legal in other states," stated world-class trainer Naazim Richardson, who shared his thoughts on recents comments made by former middleweight champion William Joppy regarding Hall of Famer Felix "Tito" Trinidad. According to Joppy, Trinidad didn't deserve to be inducted into the Hall of Fame because he felt the multi-division champion used illegal hand wraps throughout his career.

It's an issue that had never been brought up until Trinidad faced future Hall of Famer Bernard Hopkins months after his dominant 5th-round stoppage of Joppy. Richardson found himself in the middle of a controversy prior to that fight when he noticed that the technique which Trinidad's father and trainer, Don Felix, used to wrap his hands was not in accordance with the rules of the New York State Athletic Commission. Though ultimately Trinidad was required to re-wrap his hands, Richardson clarified that at the time, the technique was still legal in several other states.

"If they said we were fighting him in New York, okay then, y'all have an argument, but they weren't talking about his hand wraps when they made the fight. So by them not making it an issue, because they fought him in New York too, he knocked you out, you gotta live with it," he explained. "See, the way Margarito was getting his hands wrapped, that shit was illegal in MMA and every other sport and in every state. I can see if William [Joppy] was making that argument about Margarito, but with Tito, he just tried to wrap his hands...it could be an honest mistake."

Richardson added, "The Tito thing I think was more of ignorance. It was the fact that they were used to wrapping his hands like that all the time and most of the places you fight, like Vegas and everything, it's cool to wrap like that. So when they came to New York, they didn't think nothing of it. They just wrapped his hands the way they always wrap his hands. Well, we working by and abiding by the rules of New York, so I argued the case. But it ain't like the Margarito thing where he was blatantly trying to pull one off. One was ignorance and one was illegal."

Posted: **21 Aug 2018, 19:57**

So what's the difference between a New York wrap and a Vegas wrap? ...

Posted: **21 Aug 2018, 23:29**

chrisjs1985 wrote: ↑21 Aug 2018, 19:25
Sidney Carton wrote: ↑21 Aug 2018, 19:18
chrisjs1985 wrote: ↑21 Aug 2018, 17:33 I think Felix "Tito" Trinidad has to be in the discussion. It was fast and delivered beautifully not to mention very hard and accurate. Maybe not the absolute best ever but it's up there with the best for me.
You omitted to mention that Trinidad had illegally loaded left hand wrappings.
Not entirely true.

http://www.spam.com/news/article17202.html

"Joppy always felt some kind of way about that and he said something to me about catching the thing with Tito. But the thing is this, Tito Trinidad deserves to be in the Hall of Fame because the way Tito got his hands wrapped was legal in other states. It wasn't legal in New York, but it was legal in other states," stated world-class trainer Naazim Richardson, who shared his thoughts on recents comments made by former middleweight champion William Joppy regarding Hall of Famer Felix "Tito" Trinidad. According to Joppy, Trinidad didn't deserve to be inducted into the Hall of Fame because he felt the multi-division champion used illegal hand wraps throughout his career.

It's an issue that had never been brought up until Trinidad faced future Hall of Famer Bernard Hopkins months after his dominant 5th-round stoppage of Joppy. Richardson found himself in the middle of a controversy prior to that fight when he noticed that the technique which Trinidad's father and trainer, Don Felix, used to wrap his hands was not in accordance with the rules of the New York State Athletic Commission. Though ultimately Trinidad was required to re-wrap his hands, Richardson clarified that at the time, the technique was still legal in several other states.

"If they said we were fighting him in New York, okay then, y'all have an argument, but they weren't talking about his hand wraps when they made the fight. So by them not making it an issue, because they fought him in New York too, he knocked you out, you gotta live with it," he explained. "See, the way Margarito was getting his hands wrapped, that poo was illegal in MMA and every other sport and in every state. I can see if William [Joppy] was making that argument about Margarito, but with Tito, he just tried to wrap his hands...it could be an honest mistake."

Richardson added, "The Tito thing I think was more of ignorance. It was the fact that they were used to wrapping his hands like that all the time and most of the places you fight, like Vegas and everything, it's cool to wrap like that. So when they came to New York, they didn't think nothing of it. They just wrapped his hands the way they always wrap his hands. Well, we working by and abiding by the rules of New York, so I argued the case. But it ain't like the Margarito thing where he was blatantly trying to pull one off. One was ignorance and one was illegal."

Crap from an apologist for Trinidad.

Filled with falsehoods.

Posted: **22 Aug 2018, 11:58**

Sidney Carton wrote: ↑29 Jul 2018, 13:29Dick Tiger

thats my pick.

Posted: **23 Aug 2018, 00:41**

Yuzo wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 11:58
Sidney Carton wrote: ↑29 Jul 2018, 13:29Dick Tiger
thats my pick.

"Hurricane" Carter certainly takes a good flop, doesn't he..

Posted: **28 Oct 2018, 10:12**

Jasonkinsley wrote: ↑28 Jul 2018, 20:56 Obviously, Joe Frazier comes to mind. What does everyone else think!

Notable ones are surely Earnie Shavers and David Tua, in terms of power.

Sugar Ray Robinson, obviously, and Nino Benvenuti also displayed picture perfect left hooks.

Posted: **28 Oct 2018, 16:06**

Holy field had a much better hook than tua in all aspects. Better than shavers too, he was right hand heavy. Leonard had a great hook, he never gets mentioned

Posted: **28 Oct 2018, 18:16**

Mickey Ward had one of the best left hooks to the body of all time. Not just relative to the level of opposition he was facing, either. Guy was a C-level fighter, no doubt. Completely mediocre everywhere else (aside from heart), but that one shot was a truly beautiful thing.

Posted: **28 Oct 2018, 20:12**

Ruben Olivares is up there. Whether it’s to the body, to the head or just mixing them in combination the man had a tremendous left.

Posted: **28 Oct 2018, 20:44**

Prime Tyson's was faster and harder than Frazier's.

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