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Why work with Pulev's people to make a deal for a prolonged time and just run away like an amateur? He absolutely tried to make that fight, knowing the same circumstances you just explained. Then bailed without any warning. Why? Because Eddie wouldn't have full control, much like he never will over Deontay Wilder.

Fury is already right near the weight and focus he had when he embarrassed Klitschko, please stop bending this shit to support your innaccurate assessment.. fact is, Fury looks as good as ever. He rarely ever sits down on his shots but those shots seem to always do the trick don't they. So, again, your wrong.

Don't kid yourself, Wilder has been and will remain the most dangerous threat to AJ until the day Joshua is sparked out and this massive cloud of denial is released.

..I'm not sold on ANY of these three gentlemen and least of all on Fury in his present shape and form..

greg wrote: ↑21 Aug 2018, 15:42 ..I'm not sold on ANY of these three gentlemen and least of all on Fury in his present shape and form..

Any form of Fury sucks. He's the luckiest "lineal" Champion in the sports history. Except for maybe Briggs...if you count his claim to the Lineal title.

SFW wrote: ↑21 Aug 2018, 09:29

candyslim wrote: ↑20 Aug 2018, 03:19

SFW wrote: ↑19 Aug 2018, 14:12 And yet, record is just a small piece of the pie isn't it.. if the only other two top heavyweights are openly shaming this guy, and the whole boxing world is slowly turning that way, maybe it's time to consider there is something to it. Blind denial can only last so long. AJ is simply not as confident of victory over Wilder as they say or y'all believe. Thank goodness for Fury.

Wilder gets endless hate for his resume, yet the truth is he's tried to fight AJ, Povetkin, Ortiz he gave 2 chances to, because he believes he is the best. Fury is the one giving him a chance. I bet DW takes advantage of it. He might be down 6 rounds he can still land that bomb and win. The bomb AJ don't wanna know bout.

No, the record shows just who is prepared to take on tough competion and who is not. I don't really want to open up a subject which has been done to death, but I don't believe Wilder ever intended to go to Russia. He was in the UK and on a plane home out of Sheffield almost before anyone knew of Povetkin's failed drug-test for a previously legal substance which VADA/WBC later admitted they couldn't be sure Povetkin took after the date the substance - Meldonium - was banned.

He then fought a succession of cab-drivers until eventually the clamour became so great for him to face someone who was a serious player. Who fit the bill? Luis Ortiz. A man who was officially 38 years old and unofficially up to ten years older.
A man who it transpires was/is on heart medication. He was still a legitimate contender though, and almost beat Wilder. I'm convinced a younger version would have done.

He has repeatedly turned down offers several times his best ever payday to fight Dillian Whyte, who I believe he is well capable of beating. Wilder doesn't share my confidence, why else would he not take the 8 million dollars on offer???
8 milliion! That's double what he would have made had he gone through with the Povetkin fight and probably nearer three times his best purse to date.

There is currently an offer on the table for him to face Anthony Joshua in London for 15m, pounds I think it was. All he needs to do is sign the contract.

Instead he's looking again at the path of least resistance, and he sees good old Tyson Fury and just like Tony Bellew he wants to fight him this year while he is still relatively easy pickings, and yet people give him credit for this. I keep stating on here that Fury needs a couple of tough fights to prove he still belongs in the ring with Wilder but you know what? - I think if he got two wins over two fairly decent contenders showing he was the Fury of old, then Wilder wouldn't want to know about fighting him.

I don't expect you will agree with one word of this. That's ok. You will believe what you want to believe about who really wants the tough tests. Which brings us full circle - look at the resume.

Your belief about Wilder going to Russia is meaningless drivel, simply meaningless, as is your hilarious idea about what % he should get.. What planet you live on? And Fury "the path of least resistance" that had no trouble at all beating Klitschko, so whats that make AJ lol who barely survived? Dillian Whyte you chump's favorite blob to pull outta your ass, never consider what future commitment/ACTUAL TERMS slick Eddie wants with any offer. Its clear when everyone Eddie works with (Pulev and Wilder recently) are outraged how shitty dealing with him actually is, you fanboys just don't get it. Btw, Ortiz was signed by Hearn to keep him away from AJ. Ortiz would beat the effing poo out of Whyte, and embarrass AJ worse than the ACTUAL OLD MAN Klitschko did. Talking about age lol, gtfoh.. No, no I don't suppose I would agree with that slanted bullshit you wanks regurgitate weekly. Keep clinging to that illusion I guess.

SFW: It was not my intention to make you so incandescent with rage that you could barely express yourself coherently. For that I apologize. You and Deontay must be pretty close, huh?

I was tempted to leave it there for the good of your health. If you feel your blood pressure reaching dangerous levels, stop reading immediately. Take deep breaths. Maybe have a lie down or a nice cup of cocoa.

1) I didn't want to talk about Russia but in view of your comments this is why I believe - not 'know', but 'believe' - this was a stitch up:

Firstly the fight was called off exactly one week before it was scheduled to take place. Where was Wilder? ... getting acclimatized in Moscow and holding press conferences, and granting interviews, yes?

No, he was in Sheffield, England training at Brendan Ingles gym. When exactly was he planning on going to Moscow, on the day of the fight? Had he actually bought tickets by the time it was called off?

The test failure was bullshit. This isn't an opinion, this is fact. Both VADA and the WBC admitted much later that it could not be established whether Povetkin has ingested the banned substance after the date it ceased to be an acceptable supplement. The only doubt here is whether it was a genuine mistake as we are expected to believe, or whether it was done with the intention of putting the kybosh on the fight.

How would that have worked? Well it seems to me Sulaiman does what Big Al tells him which is why his fighters have a monopoly on WBC heavyweight title challenges (except for Stiverne/King of course). I can imagine VADA saying "But Snr. S, we are a reputable agency, we cannot be involved in any kind of corruption".
"Look, nobody is talking about corruption. All we are asking is a slight postponement of the fight. You can say later that it was an error, or if you don't want to admit an error, just say that in hindsight the test was inconclusive. Nobody will point any fingers, no one will care. The patronage of my organization has been good for you, yes?"

In fairness I should say that previously I had suggested that Deontay's departure from the UK was like a Bishop from a brothel-raid, but having looked into it, the failure was on the 14th and his departure on the 16th so there doesn't seem to be anything fishy in that respect.

I'm not saying that the fight was deliberately sabotaged but I think anybody denying the possibility is just sticking their fingers in their ears and saying "La la la I'm not listening".

2) I never mentioned any percentage. It could be argued that Hearn/AJ are being a bit greedy with their offer to Wilder, but look at if from their side: Wilder can't fill the Brooklyn Centre. AJ can fill the 02 in London fighting Johnny No-hope on pay-per-view earning £20 million quid. If he thought "Why fight someone as dangerous as Wilder, for maybe half as much on top of that" could you really blame him?. I know AJ doesn't think like that but Eddie Hearn might well do. It's his job to do the best for his client afterall. The fact is even the offer that is on the table represents a massive sum to the man who earns only US$ 1.5 - 2.5m per fight.

If Hearn is attaching conditions that are unacceptable why don't Wilder's handlers come right out and say "We won't take the Whyte fight because Eddie is demanding X, Y, and Z" ? Then the public can decide for themselves whether that is a legitimate reason not to touch it, or whether it's the case that Wilder doesn't fancy tangling with Whyte which at the moment seems to be the only explanation on offer?

3) The path of least rsistance: You are failing to draw any distinction between the 2015 Fury who danced rings around Klitschko, and the 2018 Fury who won't have had a fight worthy of being called a fight in three years. A man with mental health issues who binged and took drugs gaining about 100 pounds in weight maybe more. He has since shed that weight but that doesn't make him ready for a beast like Wilder this year.
Even Tony Bellew wanted to fight Tyson, but at least Bellew was honest enough to admit he wants to fight him now while he's vulnerable, he doesn't want to wait until Fury is back to full match-fitness.

I won't address the rest of your diatribe because this post is quite long enough. If you want to continue the dialogue I'm happy to do so, but do me a favour and keep it civil. All the histrionics could lead someone to think that SFW meant Stupid F#cking Wanker and not Spokesman For Wilder.

SFW wrote: ↑21 Aug 2018, 12:36 Why work with Pulev's people to make a deal for a prolonged time and just run away like an amateur? He absolutely tried to make that fight, knowing the same circumstances you just explained. Then bailed without any warning. Why? Because Eddie wouldn't have full control, much like he never will over Deontay Wilder.

Fury is already right near the weight and focus he had when he embarrassed Klitschko, please stop bending this poo to support your innaccurate assessment.. fact is, Fury looks as good as ever. He rarely ever sits down on his shots but those shots seem to always do the trick don't they. So, again, your wrong.

Don't kid yourself, Wilder has been and will remain the most dangerous threat to AJ until the day Joshua is sparked out and this massive cloud of denial is released.

You sound very much on the spectrum

Ladbrokes have revealed that (so far) 84% of all bets have been placed on Deontay Wilder gaining victory.

It seems that the punters believe that the Wilder-Fury bout is a mismatch.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 06:06 Ladbrokes have revealed that (so far) 84% of all bets have been placed on Deontay Wilder gaining victory.

It seems that the punters believe that the Wilder-Fury bout is a mismatch.

Very surprising. I make it a pick em fight.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 06:06 Ladbrokes have revealed that (so far) 84% of all bets have been placed on Deontay Wilder gaining victory.

It seems that the punters believe that the Wilder-Fury bout is a mismatch.

I'm surprised that you don't quite honestly EO. You normally know which way is up.

candyslim wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 08:12

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 06:06 Ladbrokes have revealed that (so far) 84% of all bets have been placed on Deontay Wilder gaining victory.

It seems that the punters believe that the Wilder-Fury bout is a mismatch.

I'm surprised that you don't quite honestly EO. You normally know which way is up.

Sorry. I don't understand what you're saying. I only quoted/paraphrased what I've read. No personal opinions.

84% of punters favour Wilder over Fury in potential bout (Source: Ladbrokes.com)

And it appears you agree with us with a staggering 84% of all bets placed have been in favour of the American.

The bout is increasingly likely to be scheduled for a November date. If the result does match the betting patterns then Fury, at 27-0, will be in for the first loss of his pro career.

Ladbrokes Alex Apati said; “We’ve pushed Fury’s odds out for this clash following his performance at the weekend. Our traders clearly aren’t convinced with The Gypsy King and punters seem to think he’ll face the first defeat of his professional career later this year.”

If Wilder knocks out Fury and looks good in the process, will he be entitled to 50% of the money against Joshua? He would then be bringing the American PPV market with him which should be far bigger than the UK money.

Quantrax wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 13:58 If Wilder knocks out Fury and looks good in the process, will he be entitled to 50% of the money against Joshua? He would then be bringing the American PPV market with him which should be far bigger than the UK money.

The only thing that should determine PPV split for a potential bout between Joshua-Wilder would be how much money each man can potentially bring to the table, which will be gauged on their previous track record.

Wilder may indeed be entitled to a bigger purse split against Joshua if he successfully overcomes Fury, but definitely not as much as 50%.

A potential victory for Wilder over Fury almost certainly won't make him an overnight success and a hugely popular figure in the US.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 06:06 Ladbrokes have revealed that (so far) 84% of all bets have been placed on Deontay Wilder gaining victory.

It seems that the punters believe that the Wilder-Fury bout is a mismatch.

Where's your link to that? Everything I've seen shows odds about even or favoring Fury.


I. M. formerly known as x2x

when the odds first came out i saw 4/5 on wilder , he was a very slight favourite. personally i would be hammering that price as i think in the current situation he should be a clear favourite

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 18:41

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 06:06 Ladbrokes have revealed that (so far) 84% of all bets have been placed on Deontay Wilder gaining victory.

It seems that the punters believe that the Wilder-Fury bout is a mismatch.

Where's your link to that? Everything I've seen shows odds about even or favoring Fury.


I. M. formerly known as x2x

Read my previous post in this thread. That contains the link.

Ladbrokes were impressed with Fury's performance last weekend and gave him a decent chance of beating Wilder, which is reflected by their odds.

However, 84% of punters disagree and are still placing bets on Wilder.

Whilst it seems that the bookmakers rate Fury's chances, resulting in the odds being short, the vast majority of punters are still placing their bets on Wilder.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 19:31

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 18:41

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 06:06 Ladbrokes have revealed that (so far) 84% of all bets have been placed on Deontay Wilder gaining victory.

It seems that the punters believe that the Wilder-Fury bout is a mismatch.

Where's your link to that? Everything I've seen shows odds about even or favoring Fury.


I. M. formerly known as x2x

Read my previous post in this thread. That contains the link.

Ladbrokes were impressed with Fury's performance last weekend and gave him a decent chance of beating Wilder, which is reflected by their odds.

However, 84% of punters disagree and are still placing bets on Wilder.

Whilst it seems that the bookmakers rate Fury's chances, resulting in the odds being short, the vast majority of punters are still placing their bets on Wilder.

I saw your ladbrokes link. I don't know what ladbrokes is but the odds it shows look unrealistic and out of line with odds elsewhere. For instance it shows Miller a 25 to 1 favorite over Adamek! Personally i favor Fury vs. Wilder. I gave some of my reasons on the fury is a bum now? thread


I. M. formerly known as x2x

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 09:31

candyslim wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 08:12

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 06:06 Ladbrokes have revealed that (so far) 84% of all bets have been placed on Deontay Wilder gaining victory.

It seems that the punters believe that the Wilder-Fury bout is a mismatch.

I'm surprised that you don't quite honestly EO. You normally know which way is up.

Sorry. I don't understand what you're saying. I only quoted/paraphrased what I've read. No personal opinions.

84% of punters favour Wilder over Fury in potential bout (Source: Ladbrokes.com)

And it appears you agree with us with a staggering 84% of all bets placed have been in favour of the American.

The bout is increasingly likely to be scheduled for a November date. If the result does match the betting patterns then Fury, at 27-0, will be in for the first loss of his pro career.

Ladbrokes Alex Apati said; “We’ve pushed Fury’s odds out for this clash following his performance at the weekend. Our traders clearly aren’t convinced with The Gypsy King and punters seem to think he’ll face the first defeat of his professional career later this year.”

On this post yes, but I do know what your thoughts are on this subject from previous posts.

For what it's worth I've seen a couple of interviews with Fury last night and I have to say he almost had me believing ... almost.

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 20:00

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 19:31

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑22 Aug 2018, 18:41


Where's your link to that? Everything I've seen shows odds about even or favoring Fury.


I. M. formerly known as x2x

Read my previous post in this thread. That contains the link.

Ladbrokes were impressed with Fury's performance last weekend and gave him a decent chance of beating Wilder, which is reflected by their odds.

However, 84% of punters disagree and are still placing bets on Wilder.

Whilst it seems that the bookmakers rate Fury's chances, resulting in the odds being short, the vast majority of punters are still placing their bets on Wilder.

I saw your ladbrokes link. I don't know what ladbrokes is but the odds it shows look unrealistic and out of line with odds elsewhere. For instance it shows Miller a 25 to 1 favorite over Adamek! Personally i favor Fury vs. Wilder. I gave some of my reasons on the fury is a bum now? thread


I. M. formerly known as x2x

Ladbrokes is a very large British-based betting and gambling company. The odds they've quoted for the expected outcome of the Wilder-Fury bout are in line with many other UK betting companies, as per the information that is easily obtainable via the OddsChecker odds comparison website.

The betting odds these companies quote do not necessarily reflect the thoughts of the punters, since we know “a staggering 84% of all bets placed have been in favour of the American”, even though the bookmakers themselves regard this as almost a 50-50 fight.

Sequitorian wrote: ↑19 Aug 2018, 07:03 ... (he seems to be nuts) ...

... (he seems to be gone) ...

DrDuke wrote: ↑19 Aug 2018, 11:54

gilgamesh wrote: ↑19 Aug 2018, 11:47

RandomUsername wrote: ↑19 Aug 2018, 11:38 If he "does" it or even fights Fury and loses then all the respect in the world to him. This however still seems like a ploy to me to setup Wilder vs Joshua leaving Fury outside in the cold. Wilder establishes himself as great fighter if he fights Fury and a legend if he wins.

Beating Fury don't make you a Legend.

If he beats Fury AND Joshua then he'd certainly have a strong case of being the best Heavyweight Champion so far of the 21st century. Even though Wlad made more title defenses he wouldn't have any two wins on his resume that are THAT strong.

Still a very tall order though for Wilder to achieve this.

Everyone of Fury-Joshua-Wilder trio will become the best HW of the 21st century, if he beats the other two. However, Lewis was also competing in the early 00s, so probably it's a tourney for #2.

How can you be so high on Fury? If you’re a homer then I can understand that. But if not, can I ask what is it about Fury that you like so much? Great actor and soundpiece but the only attribute that I can see is that he’s big. If Fury was a 147 pounder with his current boxing ability he’d be making my sandwich at Subway this afternoon.

What’s so good about Fury? I’m asking honestly and not being fresh.

Sequitorian wrote: ↑23 Aug 2018, 06:26

Sequitorian wrote: ↑19 Aug 2018, 07:03 ... (he seems to be nuts) ...

... (he seems to be gone) ...

Tragic

caldo2025 wrote: ↑23 Aug 2018, 08:53

DrDuke wrote: ↑19 Aug 2018, 11:54

gilgamesh wrote: ↑19 Aug 2018, 11:47

Beating Fury don't make you a Legend.

If he beats Fury AND Joshua then he'd certainly have a strong case of being the best Heavyweight Champion so far of the 21st century. Even though Wlad made more title defenses he wouldn't have any two wins on his resume that are THAT strong.

Still a very tall order though for Wilder to achieve this.

Everyone of Fury-Joshua-Wilder trio will become the best HW of the 21st century, if he beats the other two. However, Lewis was also competing in the early 00s, so probably it's a tourney for #2.

How can you be so high on Fury? If you’re a homer then I can understand that. But if not, can I ask what is it about Fury that you like so much? Great actor and soundpiece but the only attribute that I can see is that he’s big. If Fury was a 147 pounder with his current boxing ability he’d be making my sandwich at Subway this afternoon.

What’s so good about Fury? I’m asking honestly and not being fresh.

He's undefeated. He has a decent jab. He works well to the body. He can go rounds. What I like is he can box southpaw and orthodox. Like with Cooney, his power may be a bit overrated and boxing ability a bit underrated.

I agree the last 2 opponents don't prove too much.

caldo2025 wrote: ↑23 Aug 2018, 08:53

DrDuke wrote: ↑19 Aug 2018, 11:54

gilgamesh wrote: ↑19 Aug 2018, 11:47

Beating Fury don't make you a Legend.

If he beats Fury AND Joshua then he'd certainly have a strong case of being the best Heavyweight Champion so far of the 21st century. Even though Wlad made more title defenses he wouldn't have any two wins on his resume that are THAT strong.

Still a very tall order though for Wilder to achieve this.

Everyone of Fury-Joshua-Wilder trio will become the best HW of the 21st century, if he beats the other two. However, Lewis was also competing in the early 00s, so probably it's a tourney for #2.

How can you be so high on Fury? If you’re a homer then I can understand that. But if not, can I ask what is it about Fury that you like so much? Great actor and soundpiece but the only attribute that I can see is that he’s big. If Fury was a 147 pounder with his current boxing ability he’d be making my sandwich at Subway this afternoon.

What’s so good about Fury? I’m asking honestly and not being fresh.

Fury is obviously a talented and skillful boxer. He's big, but he is very fast and mobile for his size. He's also a smart boxer, he can be elusive. I don't know, how you judge his current state. He faced 2 lower level opponents after his comeback. In the first fight he looked crappy, cause he was rusted. But in his recent fight he looked ok, he was in about the same shape in the bouts prior to Klitschko fight.

candyslim wrote: ↑23 Aug 2018, 09:32

Sequitorian wrote: ↑23 Aug 2018, 06:26

Sequitorian wrote: ↑19 Aug 2018, 07:03 ... (he seems to be nuts) ...

... (he seems to be gone) ...

Tragic

... (he seems to agree) ... ...

RandomUsername wrote: ↑19 Aug 2018, 11:38Wilder establishes himself as great fighter if he fights Fury and a legend if he wins.

a "legend", really? a "legend"? for fighting
a guy who had a single championship
bout?

last time i checked the term legend was
used for the likes of dempsey, ali and evander.