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chrisjs1985 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2018, 11:51 Please point me to the part where I said I’m unwilling to pay or that I want something for free. I didn’t say that at all. Also to say I put nothing into my selection is a lie. Like I said you have no idea and are passing judgment. You come across as very petty, arrogant and too quick to jump to conclusions. I’ve put a LOT into my collection and I know me better than you know me. Trust me.

Anyway like I said just stay out of the thread. I want pleasant people to talk about rare and hard to find fights and you’ve attempted to derail the thread due to being an arrogant prick. Please point me to the part of me asking for something for free and/or saying I’m unwilling to pay. That’s another lie like what you’ve done to that other poster who says you ripped him off.

klompton wrote: ↑02 Sep 2018, 10:19

chrisjs1985 wrote: ↑01 Sep 2018, 14:31 Get off your high horse. You have no idea what I’ve put into my fight collection so stop passing judgement and stay out of the thread if that’s your attitude.

You are not selling me with that attitude and those prices. $800? If you were remotely reasonable you’d have maybe had a customer. Anyway as it is I’ve been put into contact with somebody that has extended footage of the Caldwell fight so I think I’m good. Thanks for the offer though. Regarding baseball, wine, cars etc; I wouldn’t know I don’t go on those forums.

No, I wouldnt have had a customer because I wouldnt sell to you. I was pointing out and maintain that anyone going around asking for rare fights and unwilling to pay for them has an uphill climb. I dont need to know "What youve put into your collection" your comments tell me everything: NOTHING. When youve invested tens of thousands in your collection, in a year, then lets see how free and easy you are with it.

You believe what you want to about Soren. Hes a lying piece of shit in my book. He knows it.

Theres nothing wrong with being cheap, just know you get what you pay for.

So you can’t point me to me saying I’m unwilling to pay or that I want for free and then perpetuate your lie further and then YOU have the audacity to call someone else a liar? That’s rich.

klompton wrote: ↑02 Sep 2018, 12:01

chrisjs1985 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2018, 11:51 Please point me to the part where I said I’m unwilling to pay or that I want something for free. I didn’t say that at all. Also to say I put nothing into my selection is a lie. Like I said you have no idea and are passing judgment. You come across as very petty, arrogant and too quick to jump to conclusions. I’ve put a LOT into my collection and I know me better than you know me. Trust me.

Anyway like I said just stay out of the thread. I want pleasant people to talk about rare and hard to find fights and you’ve attempted to derail the thread due to being an arrogant prick. Please point me to the part of me asking for something for free and/or saying I’m unwilling to pay. That’s another lie like what you’ve done to that other poster who says you ripped him off.

klompton wrote: ↑02 Sep 2018, 10:19

No, I wouldnt have had a customer because I wouldnt sell to you. I was pointing out and maintain that anyone going around asking for rare fights and unwilling to pay for them has an uphill climb. I dont need to know "What youve put into your collection" your comments tell me everything: NOTHING. When youve invested tens of thousands in your collection, in a year, then lets see how free and easy you are with it.

You believe what you want to about Soren. Hes a lying piece of poo in my book. He knows it.

Theres nothing wrong with being cheap, just know you get what you pay for.

When I tell you I have something you want and your first response is “can you upload it” sorry if in this day and age it doesnt smack of you asking for it for free. Especially when you reassert your position by stating how you have no problem posting Jofre-Legra (which you can get anywhere for free now) for free. So yeah, ill stick with my intial impression that were here with your hand out.

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“Extortionate”? No. I gave you a price. You are free to say yes or no. Where is the extortion? Maybe you meant exhorbitant. Yes, I asked for a high amount to a film you cant find anywhere else. Hence, the high amount. When I told you I had this film you asked if I could upload it. The implication being to post it online for free, otherwise upload it where? If Im going to post it online not just for you but the entire world to view a fight they can neither get now nor have contributed to EVER dont you think I should be compenstated for that? Its asinine to suggest that I devalue my investment to zero for good without making something on it. You may not know this but if you were to license that 10 minute film at a rather discounted rate of $50 per second that film would cost you $30,000. Dont believe me? Go ask for a rate sheet from ESPN. So asking $800 is unfair or expensive? Ask yourself this: if you buy a fight film for $10 its nothing to you to post it on youtube is it? If you buy it for $800 it gets you thinking before you post it for free for everyone else. “Why should I burn my hard earned money so everyone else can watch this for free?” No. Compound that with the fact that by doing so you not only lose the money but the trust and thereby the chance to see more rare footage. Its prohibitive no? Ask Soren. My guess is that regardless of how much he lies about me and bitches about not getting something he was never promised, he regrets screwing himself. Because one thing I can assure the both of you, he will never see another film from my collection and the hell of it is he knows I have more rare danish footage here in the good old USA than he has in Denmark. Thats really why his panties have been in a twist for a decade and had he not made an ass of himself it wouldnt be a problem. And your deluded idea that we live in a world where something you want should be free or affordable for you and readily available is your problem, not mine. Dont shoot the messenger or get mad when reality smacks you in the face. And finally, no, I wont leave this thread because you dont like what you hear. Ive been contributing to this forum longer than you by a damn sight. Likely since before you were born by your tone and naivete, and dont intend to be driven off by some wet behind the ears youtube capping amateur.

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Sure you did

Im sure you found it on youtube for free, mislabeled, lol.

You asked for rare shit, Got pissed off because you couldnt have it for free, now you are butthurt. Nobody jumped to any conclusions. You made it clear what you expected and reacted the way you did when you didnt like the answer. Thats life, deal with it. Like I said, you get what you pay for. If you pay nothing then thats what you get. If you think something you got for free from youtube or a torrent site is “rare” then that speaks volumes about you.

Happy hunting Bernie Sanders, My guess is I wont be seeing you anywhere there are actual rare fights. Enjoy youtube my friend

Where are you Soren? No reply? Didnt think so. Below is an email dated 3/24/2011. It was sent by Soren to me after the only trade we did:


Hi Steve

Back after a great trip to Vietnam and Thailand. Only two days with a bit of jetlag, but now all is back to normal again.

Your dvd´s were in my mailbox when I got home. I am very greatful, there are some really rare and interesting fights.

I am extremely interested in the footage of a Danish boxer named Krogh. This must be former European champion Børge Krogh. Years ago when won the championship from frenchman Maurice Tavant, a few rounds were shown on TV, but it was way before tape recorder days. Myself, I only have one round of his fight against Rene Roque. Only four weeks ago when I was at the Jutlantic Amateur Championships I actually talked to Børge, who was there as a trainer for his old amateur club. He had no footage of his fights either. It could be great fun if I could find any of his fights and present him with a copy.

I am also very interested in the clip you have with Danish boxing from the 50ties, and of course the clips of Chris Christensen – Gustav Schultz and Emile Griffith fights, if you are so lucky to get hold of them.

If you could send me the clip with Eddie Cotton – Pekka Kokkonen, I could try to have a go at the Finnish TV and se if they have anything in their archives.
Med venlig hilsen

N1 A/S

Søren Woller
Lagerassistent

Does that sound like a guy who didnt get what was promised? This was the ONLY trade we took part in. As stated previously I was in the process of acquiring some footage he was interested in. I sent him an email on 2/7/11 stating that I was in the process of getting Griffith-Christensen. I didnt promise him this footage. It was not part of our trade. I received nothing for it and was under no obligation to send it to him. No different than the instance during the same trade where after we had agreed upon terms he decided not to send me a fight he agreed to because he had promised he wouldnt. I said that was fine, got it elsewhere and moved on. After I made the decision not to do business with Soren in the future he started the attacks on me you see here. Since then he has given out footage that he received from me which he promised he would not. Because of this combination of factors I havent and wont do business with Soren again. If he would like we can continue this discussion in public so people can see how he really is or he can stop his childish attacks and lies. His choice.

Okay, okay this is the last entry from me upon this case.

Some years ago, I was contacted by a trader, lets just call him K. We did at trade, the letters crossed so he told me that he was embarresed as he had god much more fights than he had send me, but he would make this up on the next trade. I send him a few more fights (Just one or two dvd´s as I remember it.) I did not get anything back from K, but instead he send me a proposal. He had found some rare film in an archive but it cost more than 3000 dollars to convert. He send a list of alle the film reels and asked if I was interested in getting a copy of the films for 800 dollars. The materiel was to be copied only four times with me getting a copy but I had to keep in for myself and never trade. I looked through the lists, but it was mostly interviews and some sparring and not really any rare fights for me, so I declined to pay 800 dollars for something I was not really interested in. Since that reply K just dumped me, and I never got the last fights from him.

I am glad that I am talking "POO", it would terrible if I was badly treated by K.

End of story for me.
Adios

Woller wrote: ↑06 Sep 2018, 12:55 Okay, okay this is the last entry from me upon this case.

Some years ago, I was contacted by a trader, lets just call him K. We did at trade, the letters crossed so he told me that he was embarresed as he had god much more fights than he had send me, but he would make this up on the next trade. I send him a few more fights (Just one or two dvd´s as I remember it.) I did not get anything back from K, but instead he send me a proposal. He had found some rare film in an archive but it cost more than 3000 dollars to convert. He send a list of alle the film reels and asked if I was interested in getting a copy of the films for 800 dollars. The materiel was to be copied only four times with me getting a copy but I had to keep in for myself and never trade. I looked through the lists, but it was mostly interviews and some sparring and not really any rare fights for me, so I declined to pay 800 dollars for something I was not really interested in. Since that reply K just dumped me, and I never got the last fights from him.

I am glad that I am talking "POO", it would terrible if I was badly treated by K.

End of story for me.
Adios

More lies, refuted by your own words.


Feb 2011 you tried to contact me at my regular email address. I didnt respond. Somehow you found my hotmail and contacted me there. You chased me to do a trade. I responded to you on Feb 5, 2011 telling you my inbox was full and asking if you were contacting me for a trade. Thats how it all started. You came to me. You got what was initially agreed upon. You were satisfied as evidenced by your own email. Do you deny those are your words? You only started this shit when I declined further trades with you. I can post every single email we sent back and forth if you really want me to expose you further. Or you can you admit you “made a mistake” and shut the fornicate up for good.

Well? Where are you? No response because you know I can back up EVERYTHING Ive said and expose you for the petty liar you are.

The way you twist what actually happened is comical. Our initial trade was concluded to your satisfaction as evidenced by the email above. You continued to pursue me for Griffith-Christiensen. That was fine. I gave you updates on its status as I was very open that I didnt have and both of us were well aware that it was not part of any trade of ours and was not owed to you for anything. Period. I did approach you months later with an entirely seperate offer to join myself and others in a purchase of footage. You didnt want to join and that was fine as well. BUT you did want some of the footage and I wasnt going to betray the others on the deal and give it to you. That was the end of our interaction. A year and five months later you once again approached me and wanted the Griffith fight in addition to fights included in the deal previously mentioned which you werent a part of. I ignored that entreaty. Another year later, in 2013, you approached me to do a trade for the above mentioned footage even trying to entice me with Duran-Bogs. I had zero interest and didnt reply. After that youve made a point to claim that I ripped you off and didnt provide what was promised. That is and was an out and out lie by you and your own emails prove it. Thats the exact timeline of your supposed grievance and why I have zero time for you. You are a petty liar who I am under no obligation to trade with any further beyond the one trade that you were perfectly satisfied with. I have zero tolerance for clowns like yourself who try to extort footage from me and regardless of how much you lie I wont change my mind about that or anyone else who behaves in such a way. Serious collectors who know me and have done business with me know I am reliable and honest. Thats enough for me and its my why I have footage you want and you have nothing I want. I maintain my connections and respect them. I dont burn my bridges as you did.

klompton wrote: ↑02 Sep 2018, 10:28

Woller wrote: ↑02 Sep 2018, 07:31 It can easy be me that were just unlucky. First trade went okay, but I am still waiting for the second set of dvd´s to arrive.
5-6 years.

Dont effing lie Soren. Thats a god damned bold faced lie and you know it. We made exactly ONE trade. ONE. During that ONE trade I told you I was in the process of trying to get Griffith-Christensen. You said you were interested. I said I would let you know when I got it. I got that film AFTER our ONLY trade had been completed to everyone's satisfaction. When I told you I received Griffith-Christensen you started acting like I had promised it to you as part of our ONE trade. I had not. You immediately started going on forums and slagging me off like you are doing now. Saying that I hadnt delivered. Thats bullshit and you know it. Sorry but as you and others have found out extortion does not work with me. I deal with serious collectors all of the time. Not hobbyists, not people who come on boxrec and post a single fight theyve wormed out of somebody so they can get their 15 minutes of fame. None of those guys who are actually serious and actually understands how this business works will come on here say that Ive been anything but completely professional and discreet. The only people who will bash me are the ones like yourself or this twat who want something for nothing. Or the guys who contact me on a daily basis wanted to trade something they captured off of youtube for something I paid $1000 dollars for.

wow narcasism at its grandiouso best

chrisjs1985 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2018, 15:45 Stopped reading too long winded and boring. I can and did find the footage elsewhere anyway. Not the full fight but long extended highlights so there’s that.

I’ve said my bit. You are rude, arrogant and a snob and used this thread to hijack it and puff your chest out. I’m over it. You jumped to a bunch of false conclusions and passed judgment on somebody you don’t know due to being a know it all egomaniac and you robbed a guy and didn’t follow up on a promise so it’s clear you have low morals to go with your shitty attitude.

No use responding. I won’t read it. I suggest growing up and learning how to speak to people properly.

i have had bad run ins with these types too.

badkatt wrote: ↑18 Sep 2018, 20:24

klompton wrote: ↑02 Sep 2018, 10:28

Woller wrote: ↑02 Sep 2018, 07:31 It can easy be me that were just unlucky. First trade went okay, but I am still waiting for the second set of dvd´s to arrive.
5-6 years.

Dont effing lie Soren. Thats a god damned bold faced lie and you know it. We made exactly ONE trade. ONE. During that ONE trade I told you I was in the process of trying to get Griffith-Christensen. You said you were interested. I said I would let you know when I got it. I got that film AFTER our ONLY trade had been completed to everyone's satisfaction. When I told you I received Griffith-Christensen you started acting like I had promised it to you as part of our ONE trade. I had not. You immediately started going on forums and slagging me off like you are doing now. Saying that I hadnt delivered. Thats bullshit and you know it. Sorry but as you and others have found out extortion does not work with me. I deal with serious collectors all of the time. Not hobbyists, not people who come on boxrec and post a single fight theyve wormed out of somebody so they can get their 15 minutes of fame. None of those guys who are actually serious and actually understands how this business works will come on here say that Ive been anything but completely professional and discreet. The only people who will bash me are the ones like yourself or this twat who want something for nothing. Or the guys who contact me on a daily basis wanted to trade something they captured off of youtube for something I paid $1000 dollars for.

wow narcasism at its grandiouso best

Coming from crybaby Lunatic Tuna thats a compliment.

klompton wrote: ↑19 Sep 2018, 08:32

badkatt wrote: ↑18 Sep 2018, 20:24

klompton wrote: ↑02 Sep 2018, 10:28

Dont effing lie Soren. Thats a god damned bold faced lie and you know it. We made exactly ONE trade. ONE. During that ONE trade I told you I was in the process of trying to get Griffith-Christensen. You said you were interested. I said I would let you know when I got it. I got that film AFTER our ONLY trade had been completed to everyone's satisfaction. When I told you I received Griffith-Christensen you started acting like I had promised it to you as part of our ONE trade. I had not. You immediately started going on forums and slagging me off like you are doing now. Saying that I hadnt delivered. Thats bullshit and you know it. Sorry but as you and others have found out extortion does not work with me. I deal with serious collectors all of the time. Not hobbyists, not people who come on boxrec and post a single fight theyve wormed out of somebody so they can get their 15 minutes of fame. None of those guys who are actually serious and actually understands how this business works will come on here say that Ive been anything but completely professional and discreet. The only people who will bash me are the ones like yourself or this twat who want something for nothing. Or the guys who contact me on a daily basis wanted to trade something they captured off of youtube for something I paid $1000 dollars for.

wow narcasism at its grandiouso best

Coming from crybaby Lunatic Tuna thats a compliment.

i find it ammusing that your projecting onto me that you are a crybaby and try ponning it off on me ....not a kool manipulative move kinda woman like

Loonis Tuna...

klompton wrote: ↑23 Sep 2018, 18:29 Loonis Tuna...

sabrina compton

Loonis Tuna...

Mad because I wont deal with him, lol.

klompton wrote: ↑24 Sep 2018, 17:19 Loonis Tuna...

Mad because I wont deal with him, lol.

ya i think loonis tuuna has had tons of sleepless nights cause steevie wont deal wit da tunammiester.......delusional

Maybe we should post all of your PMs begging me? Or I could post all of the PMs from guys on facebook saying “Loonis wants this from you, or Loonis wants that...” Lets just make it simple: have I ever EVER asked you for anything? No. We both know you cant say the same.

Btw, hows the search going for the live call of Frazier-Chuvalo? No luck? Lol. Didnt think so.

klompton wrote: ↑08 Oct 2018, 15:29 Maybe we should post all of your PMs begging me? Or I could post all of the PMs from guys on facebook saying “Loonis wants this from you, or Loonis wants that...” Lets just make it simple: have I ever EVER asked you for anything? No. We both know you cant say the same.

Btw, hows the search going for the live call of Frazier-Chuvalo? No luck? Lol. Didnt think so.

Frazier vs Chuvalo is on you tube.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Fr ... &FORM=VIRE

I have no interest in the back and forth stuff here between traders, but I do have a question for you. Do collectors like yourself advertise the rare fights they have?

That version of Frazier vs Chuvalo is silent. Not 'live call"

evrenb wrote: ↑09 Oct 2018, 16:08 That version of Frazier vs Chuvalo is silent. Not 'live call"

Many films are silent or with a audio track produced after the fight, but you're right. I myself value the video action over the audio. My question to the fight collector in the thread is are the willing to list the films they have?

For example, Joe Frazier's four fights in the Tokyo Olympics for example would interest me. There are highlight on the web.

pound per pound wrote: ↑10 Oct 2018, 11:36

evrenb wrote: ↑09 Oct 2018, 16:08 That version of Frazier vs Chuvalo is silent. Not 'live call"

Many films are silent or with a audio track produced after the fight, but you're right. I myself value the video action over the audio. My question to the fight collector in the thread is are the willing to list the films they have?

For example, Joe Frazier's four fights in the Tokyo Olympics for example would interest me. There are highlight on the web.

Why should a man who collects things have to provide details of what he has on the web?

If he was a trader I would expect him to do this. But a collection is another matter entirely. It's no-one else's business what he chooses to collect or acquire.

pound per pound wrote: ↑10 Oct 2018, 11:36

evrenb wrote: ↑09 Oct 2018, 16:08 That version of Frazier vs Chuvalo is silent. Not 'live call"

Many films are silent or with a audio track produced after the fight, but you're right. I myself value the video action over the audio. My question to the fight collector in the thread is are the willing to list the films they have?

For example, Joe Frazier's four fights in the Tokyo Olympics for example would interest me. There are highlight on the web.

Up to the individualI guess..I don't publish but the next man may do so depending on his intentions....