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Sidney Carton wrote: ↑11 Sep 2018, 00:54

APerno wrote: ↑10 Sep 2018, 17:07
There have been very few men who willingly gave up so much for a principle.

GARBAGE.

Puppet Ali did whatever his Nation of Islam masters told him to do.

Do not all men learn/find their principles from others; do you believe every Christian martyr to be a puppet as well? Whatever his motivation; from whoever he took his lead, he still stood his ground and made the sacrifice.

APerno wrote: ↑11 Sep 2018, 01:05

Sidney Carton wrote: ↑11 Sep 2018, 00:54

APerno wrote: ↑10 Sep 2018, 17:07
There have been very few men who willingly gave up so much for a principle.

GARBAGE.

Puppet Ali did whatever his Nation of Islam masters told him to do.

Do not all men learn/find their principles from others; do you believe every Christian martyr to be a puppet as well? Whatever his motivation; from whoever he took his lead, he still stood his ground and made the sacrifice.

Feeble in the mind--Always lag behind.

Ali was not a Christian.

He was the puppet of the murderous Nation of Islam who killed Malcolm X and slaughtered women and children at a competing Hanafi muslim home in Washington DC,

In the aperno system of 'logic' Ali is now transmuted into a "Christian martyr."

Laying it on thick, huh perno?

Did you used to be a fifth rate used car salesman?

"Whatever his motivation; from whoever he took his lead, he still stood his ground and made the sacrifice."

He didn't "stand his ground."

He was afraid of his Nation of Islam masters and did whatever they ordered.

Sidney Carton wrote: ↑11 Sep 2018, 09:17

APerno wrote: ↑11 Sep 2018, 01:05

Sidney Carton wrote: ↑11 Sep 2018, 00:54

GARBAGE.

Puppet Ali did whatever his Nation of Islam masters told him to do.

Do not all men learn/find their principles from others; do you believe every Christian martyr to be a puppet as well? Whatever his motivation; from whoever he took his lead, he still stood his ground and made the sacrifice.

Feeble in the mind--Always lag behind.

Ali was not a Christian.

He was the puppet of the murderous Nation of Islam who killed Malcolm X and slaughtered women and children at a competing Hanafi muslim home in Washington DC,

In the aperno system of 'logic' Ali is now transmuted into a "Christian martyr."

Laying it on thick, huh perno?

Did you used to be a fifth rate used car salesman?

"Whatever his motivation; from whoever he took his lead, he still stood his ground and made the sacrifice."

He didn't "stand his ground."

He was afraid of his Nation of Islam masters and did whatever they ordered.

Did you read my post too quickly? I never suggested that Ali was a Christian I was making a comparison; all religions have martyrs. Do you misunderstand purposely so you can say something rude and insulting or are you really just dim?

Now, the remark that he did it out of fear is a legit point to argue; I don't agree but nevertheless a legit point, but I am curious about your inability to see the comparison I was making; to conclude that I said Ali was a Christian suggests you are challenged. In future I will use smaller words, less complicated sentences, and a larger font.

Do you understand how a semi-colon is used and how you should have read the sentence? Seriously, do you? I am happy to teach it to you. A semi-colon denotes a separate thought sharing a common theme with the preceding sentence; a comma denotes an addition (or clarification) to the preceding thought.

I'll bet The Constitution of the United States of America spins you in circles, way too many semi-colons. It certainly has our current President spinning.

I even added "as well" to clarify the comparison just in case the reader was dim, but I didn't expect you to need it. From you rudeness I expected, but that you are semi-literate surprises me.

Do you want to ramp this up with another insult? OK, it's your turn.

If not I am willing to consider your remark regarding his motive: fear vs. principle. We could debate that instead. Lets see where this goes.

For what it is worth: there is an interesting hint in the film Ali (Will Smith) that suggests Ali was acting out of fear.

APerno wrote: ↑11 Sep 2018, 10:24
Do not all men learn/find their principles from others; do you believe every Christian martyr to be a puppet as well?

You made the slobbering comparison of Ali to a Christian martyr.

Live with it.

Now you admit you get your facts from Will Smith hollywood movies.

Sidney Carton wrote: ↑11 Sep 2018, 16:34

APerno wrote: ↑11 Sep 2018, 10:24
Do not all men learn/find their principles from others; do you believe every Christian martyr to be a puppet as well?

You made the slobbering comparison of Ali to a Christian martyr.

Live with it.

Now you admit you get your facts from Will Smith hollywood movies.

Duh! - It was your point I was suggesting the film made. PLEASE READ SLOWER, you're missing so much.

APerno wrote: ↑11 Sep 2018, 18:30

Sidney Carton wrote: ↑11 Sep 2018, 16:34

APerno wrote: ↑11 Sep 2018, 10:24
Do not all men learn/find their principles from others; do you believe every Christian martyr to be a puppet as well?

You made the slobbering comparison of Ali to a Christian martyr.

Live with it.

Now you admit you get your facts from Will Smith hollywood movies.

Duh! - It was your point I was suggesting the film made. PLEASE READ SLOWER, you're missing so much.

Fifth rate used car salesman confusing the murderous Nation of Islam with Christian "martyrs" who gets his facts from Will Smith hollywood movies.

What a combination!

klompton wrote: ↑31 Aug 2018, 12:25 Years have nothing to do with it. A fighter be past his prime one fight later. Anyone with eyeballs that work can see after Frazier beat Ali he wasn't the same. That was his ultimate goal, the only fight he really hungered for. Once he accomplished his task mentally and physically he just wasn't turned on any more. He was far more interested in his singing career than boxing and devoted much more time to it.

As for Ali he may have been past his prime and may not have been. Im sure the layoff did him no favors but at the same time did his not looking great against Bonavena have nothing to do with the fact that Oscar was a more formidable opponent particularly stylistically than anyone he fought prior to his exile with the possible exception of Sonny Liston who had boxed a grand total of 15 minutes in the five years previous to defending against Ali (you can throw out their second fight since it was over before it started)??

Love the first paragraph here not impressed with the second. But I can attest Joe's passion for singing, as I worked with him in Va during that time. He was all in as an entertainer, and sadly he was not that strong of a vocalist, but I sure wasn't going to mention that to him. I didn't have the intestinal fortitude to "speak truth to power" at that time. lol.

I also believe that the best Ali beats the best Frazier for the most part. But on that night Joe was at his best, and Ali? Well, in some ways he actually won the fight....at least if you take into consideration the paths they each took in the wake of that day. Maybe it's just better to say that Joe won the battle that night, but the war which was still in front of them was won by Ali, and "not won" by Joe.

And in my opinion it wasn't just Joe's love of music that caused him to lose his edge, it was the beating he took that night, in his winning battle.

Complex story perhaps, but to my way of thinking, this is a very good representation regarding the facts of the matter.

BoxBuzz wrote: ↑12 Sep 2018, 12:30

klompton wrote: ↑31 Aug 2018, 12:25 Years have nothing to do with it. A fighter be past his prime one fight later. Anyone with eyeballs that work can see after Frazier beat Ali he wasn't the same. That was his ultimate goal, the only fight he really hungered for. Once he accomplished his task mentally and physically he just wasn't turned on any more. He was far more interested in his singing career than boxing and devoted much more time to it.

As for Ali he may have been past his prime and may not have been. Im sure the layoff did him no favors but at the same time did his not looking great against Bonavena have nothing to do with the fact that Oscar was a more formidable opponent particularly stylistically than anyone he fought prior to his exile with the possible exception of Sonny Liston who had boxed a grand total of 15 minutes in the five years previous to defending against Ali (you can throw out their second fight since it was over before it started)??

Love the first paragraph here not impressed with the second. But I can attest Joe's passion for singing, as I worked with him in Va during that time. He was all in as an entertainer, and sadly he was not that strong of a vocalist, but I sure wasn't going to mention that to him. I didn't have the intestinal fortitude to "speak truth to power" at that time. lol.

I also believe that the best Ali beats the best Frazier for the most part. But on that night Joe was at his best, and Ali? Well, in some ways he actually won the fight....at least if you take into consideration the paths they each took in the wake of that day. Maybe it's just better to say that Joe won the battle that night, but the war which was still in front of them was won by Ali, and "not won" by Joe.

And in my opinion it wasn't just Joe's love of music that caused him to lose his edge, it was the beating he took that night, in his winning battle.

Complex story perhaps, but to my way of thinking, this is a very good representation regarding the facts of the matter.

Didn't he screw-up his ankle dancing while singing? He use to rock back and forth on his ankles. -- You're such a nice person, Frazier as an entertainer sucked!

He sucked......but surprisingly (NOT) he was seldom heckled. lol.

Surprisingly out side of the boxing ring, he didn't seem overly coordinated to me. Judging by his swimming, and his on stage dance moves.

BoxBuzz wrote: ↑12 Sep 2018, 14:51 He sucked......but surprisingly (NOT) he was seldom heckled. lol.

Surprisingly out side of the boxing ring, he didn't seem overly coordinated to me. Judging by his swimming, and his on stage dance moves.

I shouldn't talk about Frazier, I should sympathize. -- I was a decent high school wrestler won more than I lost; on the mat no matter how much we tumbled I always seemed to be aware of where I was. First year of college I took a modern jazz dance class, (lots of girls in the class) I had to drop the class I was making a fool of myself; the girls were actually giggling at everything I tried. There seems to be a difference between establishing your own rhythm and trying to move to an existing rhythm. It's been 40 something years now and I haven't danced since; I can play a pretty good third base in softball as well, but god I can't dance a lick.