Re: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Tony Bellew - November 10, 2018
Posted: 15 Sep 2018, 13:38
by Paci
Just hoping for a great fight and Bellew seems to be in a good mood and that allways mean he is going in there and do his best, and Uysk smells right now like a future great.
But my gut tells me a late KO for Bellew for some reason. Then again, I might be wrong.
Re: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Tony Bellew - November 10, 2018
Posted: 15 Sep 2018, 13:54
by jamamb
being a great and geting knocked out in your prime by bellew dont really go together, at least if usyk is to be any sort of great outside just cruiser
Re: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Tony Bellew - November 10, 2018
Posted: 24 Sep 2018, 10:17
by Ruthless-RKO
Re: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Tony Bellew - November 10, 2018
Posted: 24 Sep 2018, 10:33
by dagilechia
I will bet all i have on Usyk. Easy money. Bellew has virtually no chances.
Re: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Tony Bellew - November 10, 2018
Posted: 24 Sep 2018, 10:37
by klitoris
dagilechia wrote: ↑24 Sep 2018, 10:33
I will bet all i have on Usyk. Easy money. Bellew has virtually no chances.
You probably wanna hold on to that money for now and bet just before the fight, since the promotional campaign will strengthen Bellew's odds. Seems like the type of fight to bet on at the last moment possible.
Re: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Tony Bellew - November 10, 2018
dagilechia wrote: ↑24 Sep 2018, 10:33
I will bet all i have on Usyk. Easy money. Bellew has virtually no chances.
You probably wanna hold on to that money for now and bet just before the fight, since the promotional campaign will strengthen Bellew's odds. Seems like the type of fight to bet on at the last moment possible.
Exactly. I need to check out if there is a possibility for a non-British citizen nor resident to bet online in British oddsmaker. I doubt the odds on Usyk outside the UK will actually surpass the 1,20 bareer, in UK it'll be possibly even almost 2,00
Re: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Tony Bellew - November 10, 2018
Posted: 24 Sep 2018, 11:29
by ValMar
Ruthless, you forgot to put one more option : Bellew by robbery.
Re: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Tony Bellew - November 10, 2018
Posted: 24 Sep 2018, 11:36
by paddy chavez
dagilechia wrote: ↑24 Sep 2018, 10:33
I will bet all i have on Usyk. Easy money. Bellew has virtually no chances.
Usyk is 1/6 I just couldn't bring myself to bet £ 300 to win £ 50 myself
Re: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Tony Bellew - November 10, 2018
Posted: 24 Sep 2018, 11:46
by Ruthless-RKO
ValMar wrote: ↑24 Sep 2018, 11:29
Ruthless, you forgot to put one more option : Bellew by robbery.
Usyk won every round against Gassiev.. The only round given to Gassiev was the fourth I believe..
I do think Usyk can be robbed. If close. Id Usyk dominates, it shouldn't be hopefully.
I hope Usyk can drop/stop Bellew, if not, a scores of around 119-109 etc.
Re: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Tony Bellew - November 10, 2018
dagilechia wrote: ↑24 Sep 2018, 10:33
I will bet all i have on Usyk. Easy money. Bellew has virtually no chances.
Usyk is 1/6 I just couldn't bring myself to bet £ 300 to win £ 50 myself
Yeah it's not much but even if odds will stay as they are now i plan to bet because it is easy free money. I am sure that Usyk will win every round or will stop Bellew late so this time i dont believe in robbery scenario. Usyk is not ancient past prime and injured Haye, Bellew is tough but Usyk is just on another level.
Re: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Tony Bellew - November 10, 2018
dagilechia wrote: ↑24 Sep 2018, 10:33
I will bet all i have on Usyk. Easy money. Bellew has virtually no chances.
Usyk is 1/6 I just couldn't bring myself to bet £ 300 to win £ 50 myself
Yeah it's not much but even if odds will stay as they are now i plan to bet because it is easy free money. I am sure that Usyk will win every round or will stop Bellew late so this time i dont believe in robbery scenario. Usyk is not ancient past prime and injured Haye, Bellew is tough but Usyk is just on another level.
If Bellew is capable to win four rounds he will get a gift-decision. Remember this.
Re: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Tony Bellew - November 10, 2018
Posted: 24 Sep 2018, 12:05
by jamamb
worth remembering that usyk now has a deal with eddie hearn and that potentially big bucks can be made with him at hw (plus can be hyoed up as an opponent for hearns big cash cow aj), whereas bellew says this is his last fight and him getting a big gift wouldnt exactly make a hw run for him that much more interesting
so im not sure about the judging heavily favouring bellew
Re: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Tony Bellew - November 10, 2018
Usyk is 1/6 I just couldn't bring myself to bet £ 300 to win £ 50 myself
Yeah it's not much but even if odds will stay as they are now i plan to bet because it is easy free money. I am sure that Usyk will win every round or will stop Bellew late so this time i dont believe in robbery scenario. Usyk is not ancient past prime and injured Haye, Bellew is tough but Usyk is just on another level.
If Bellew is capable to win four rounds he will get a gift-decision. Remember this.
Yeah i agree. But i just honestly think that he is not capable to win 4 rounds. 1 or 2 at best. I wouldnt be surprised if Usyk stops him late. Time will tell but i am really confident, Usyk's skills convinced me a lot. As for today, i would bet money on Usyk against everyone except of AJ, Wilder, Fury and Povetkin.
Re: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Tony Bellew - November 10, 2018
Posted: 24 Sep 2018, 12:10
by jamamb
not sure about that, i think the 'powers' might benefit more from a usyk win
Re: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Tony Bellew - November 10, 2018
Posted: 24 Sep 2018, 12:11
by dagilechia
jamamb wrote: ↑24 Sep 2018, 12:05
worth remembering that usyk now has a deal with eddie hearn and that potentially big bucks can be made with him at hw (plus can be hyoed up as an opponent for hearns big cash cow aj), whereas bellew says this is his last fight and him getting a big gift wouldnt exactly make a hw run for him that much more interesting
so im not sure about the judging heavily favouring bellew
Yeah thats a good point. I forgot about the deal. I dont expect any robbery. Usyk could generate a lot more money on UK scene if he learns to speak english because he is a type of a showman.
Re: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Tony Bellew - November 10, 2018
jamamb wrote: ↑24 Sep 2018, 12:05
worth remembering that usyk now has a deal with eddie hearn and that potentially big bucks can be made with him at hw (plus can be hyoed up as an opponent for hearns big cash cow aj), whereas bellew says this is his last fight and him getting a big gift wouldnt exactly make a hw run for him that much more interesting
so im not sure about the judging heavily favouring bellew
Yeah thats a good point. I dont expect any robbery. Usyk could generate a lot more money on UK scene if he learns to speak english because he is a type of a showman.
If he learns English.... Bellew could get a crooked decision because he plays a great villain. Hearn can make good money on Bellew
Re: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Tony Bellew - November 10, 2018
Posted: 24 Sep 2018, 12:15
by jamamb
bellews a 36 year old b level fighter who said this is his last fight, usyk has much more long term milking potential and time at hw, and hearn was quick to get him on a deal after the wbss
Re: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Tony Bellew - November 10, 2018
Posted: 24 Sep 2018, 12:19
by dagilechia
Yeah if he learns which is doubtful. I remember the WBSS CW draft gala, out of 8 participants neither was capable of saying at least one sentence in English. Thats actually one of the main reasons why CW is so unpopular in the States and why they generate few money. Great fighters but they dont speak english.
Re: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Tony Bellew - November 10, 2018
Posted: 24 Sep 2018, 13:45
by ValMar
jamamb wrote: ↑24 Sep 2018, 12:15
bellews a 36 year old b level fighter who said this is his last fight, usyk has much more long term milking potential and time at hw, and hearn was quick to get him on a deal after the wbss
Bellew-Ward might be a very lucrative fight.
Re: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Tony Bellew - November 10, 2018
dagilechia wrote: ↑24 Sep 2018, 10:33
I will bet all i have on Usyk. Easy money. Bellew has virtually no chances.
Usyk is 1/6 I just couldn't bring myself to bet £ 300 to win £ 50 myself
The two books that I use have Usyk a 1-7 and a 1-8 choice.
Only one has broken it down into prop bets, but on that one Usyk is -110 to win by KO.
I don't forsee any robbery. Usyk will KO a weight drained Bellew within 8.
But even if it goes the full 12, it will be so ridiculously one-sided that it will be impossible to deprive Usyk.
He should win maybe 11 rounds. A shutout on a card or 2 is probable.
Re: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Tony Bellew - November 10, 2018
Posted: 12 Oct 2018, 17:25
by jamamb
bellew says a month away hes already at his lowest weight in 2 years
considering he was 210 presumably without draining vs haye, he should have absolutely no problem getting to 200
really should be no surprise since he fought most of his career at lhw and only twice fought at hw, both times where he was soft in the low 200s without cutting. the man has a narrow build and might even be naturally smaller then usyk. hes never failed to make weight i dont think.
Re: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Tony Bellew - November 10, 2018
Posted: 13 Oct 2018, 08:18
by Ruthless-RKO
jamamb wrote: ↑12 Oct 2018, 17:25
bellew says a month away hes already at his lowest weight in 2 years
considering he was 210 presumably without draining vs haye, he should have absolutely no problem getting to 200
really should be no surprise since he fought most of his career at lhw and only twice fought at hw, both times where he was soft in the low 200s without cutting. the man has a narrow build and might even be naturally smaller then usyk. hes never failed to make weight i dont think.
Don’t see why he should struggle to make 200. Not like he was ripped and packing lot’s of muscle against Haye.
Re: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Tony Bellew - November 10, 2018
Posted: 13 Oct 2018, 17:53
by ewenhay
dagilechia wrote: ↑24 Sep 2018, 12:19
Yeah if he learns which is doubtful. I remember the WBSS CW draft gala, out of 8 participants neither was capable of saying at least one sentence in English. Thats actually one of the main reasons why CW is so unpopular in the States and why they generate few money. Great fighters but they dont speak english.
It's a bit arrogant to expect non English speaking fighters to speak English and it makes no difference what language they speak when you watch them in the ring.
Re: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Tony Bellew - November 10, 2018
Posted: 13 Oct 2018, 18:18
by Ilya Muromets
I'm surprised that five people think Bellew can beat Usyk.
