last minute thoughts: Canelo - GGG?

[jpspice]

We are either going to have a repeat of the last fight or one of these to guy's is going to open up on the other? Notice how few
times either of them threw more than 2 consecutive punches or followed up on hard shots that connected, in fight 1.

I hope to see that change this time around. If one of them opens up with "multiple punch" combinations it will force the other to do the same. I predict GGG will initiate and Alvarez will have no choice but to try and respond with going for the KO,which will give us our answer. These guy's are both gonna make a lot of money either way. The one who pulls out the stops will gain my respect.

[Ricky]

This cheating ginger diva has been found out. He lost the first fight clearly and he's going to get his roided up ass handed to him tomorrow.

[JCS]

This cheating ginger diva has been found out. He lost the first fight clearly and he's going to get his roided up ass handed to him tomorrow.

I thought Canelo tested positive for minimal traces of clenbuterol (not a steroid). Did I miss something?

[jezzamundo]

I want GGG to win and would love to see a knockout, but I agree with whoever said they expect him to do a little worse and Canelo a little better. I thought GGG clearly won the first fight, so I'm expecting a close fight this time, possibly with judging that is fairer to GGG.

I also had a dream about the fight this week and here's how it went.

GGG on top early, Canelo takes a knee in round 2 after taking a big body shot, them GGG accidentally hits him when he's down and is docked a point. GGG then wins the 3rd but punches himself out going for the stoppage. Canelo wins the middle rounds by boxing smart as GGG gets his energy back. The final rounds are back-and-forth with GGG throwing more and landing his jab, while Canelo lands more clean power punches. Most have it 1 point either way and so do the judges - one scoring it 113-112 to GGG, the other two 113-112 to Canelo, the winner by split decision.

[Luckybattles]

I saw the fight for the first time yesterday in a sober state of mind. I dont know what the controversy was about. Canelo won the fight by a round or two. These commentators are blind, especially that old bat Letterman. GGG didnt land anything. He chased his around for about 5 of the middle rounds in complete futility. He landed a an occasional half ass jab but that was it. Canelo's defense was on point, and although Canelo didnt land a plethora of punches, he did land clean shots when he occasionally stopped to fire combinations. Punch stat numbers are a total farse. Canelo will win this one.

[magicrp]

I saw the fight for the first time yesterday in a sober state of mind. I dont know what the controversy was about. Canelo won the fight by a round or two. These commentators are blind, especially that old bat Letterman. GGG didnt land anything. He chased his around for about 5 of the middle rounds in complete futility. He landed a an occasional half ass jab but that was it. Canelo's defense was on point, and although Canelo didnt land a plethora of punches, he did land clean shots when he occasionally stopped to fire combinations. Punch stat numbers are a total farse. Canelo will win this one.

Yes. Canelo won the first fight. Draw is Ok as well.

[Ricky]

I saw the fight for the first time yesterday in a sober state of mind. I dont know what the controversy was about. Canelo won the fight by a round or two. These commentators are blind, especially that old bat Letterman. GGG didnt land anything. He chased his around for about 5 of the middle rounds in complete futility. He landed a an occasional half ass jab but that was it. Canelo's defense was on point, and although Canelo didnt land a plethora of punches, he did land clean shots when he occasionally stopped to fire combinations. Punch stat numbers are a total farse. Canelo will win this one.

Yes. Canelo won the first fight. Draw is Ok as well.

[Ricky]

This cheating ginger diva has been found out. He lost the first fight clearly and he's going to get his roided up ass handed to him tomorrow.

I thought Canelo tested positive for minimal traces of clenbuterol (not a steroid). Did I miss something?

Caught cycling a PED with anabolic effects.

[jezzamundo]

I saw the fight for the first time yesterday in a sober state of mind. I dont know what the controversy was about. Canelo won the fight by a round or two. These commentators are blind, especially that old bat Letterman. GGG didnt land anything. He chased his around for about 5 of the middle rounds in complete futility. He landed a an occasional half ass jab but that was it. Canelo's defense was on point, and although Canelo didnt land a plethora of punches, he did land clean shots when he occasionally stopped to fire combinations. Punch stat numbers are a total farse. Canelo will win this one.

Yes. Canelo won the first fight. Draw is Ok as well.

You've got to be extremely generous to Canelo to find 7 rounds for him. The closest I can make is a draw and that's if I score all the close rounds for Canelo. Watching it live I had GGG winning 8 rounds to 4, rewatching I had the same score. I actually think 117-111 GGG is a better scorecard than 115-113 Canelo (although that's how Oscar and BHop scored it, but they would, wouldn't they).

To my eyes, the only rounds Canelo won clearly were 2 and 12.

I thought he won the 3rd too, although two judges and a majority of fans disagree with me.

I'm in the minority in thinking GGG won round one by doing the better work for the first two minutes and landing more punches overall.

Rounds 10 and 11 are close and could fairly be scored either way, though I thought GGG edged both, it's probably fairer to give them one each (I know, that's not how you're supposed to score).

Rounds 4-9 were a sweep for GGG. I mistakedly gave Canelo the 8th when watching live - he landed the best combination of the round, but it was outshined by the sheer quantity of GGG's work and ring generalship.

[DrDuke]

Just rewatched and rescored their first fight. Previously I had Golovkin winning, as far as I remember, with the score of 115-113. However, I never was against a draw. Now my overall opinion about the fight remains almost the same.

Canelo was very good early. Golovkin started fast, but Canelo was able to avoid all dangerous shots and scored himself with more significant ones. Since the 4th round Canelo became noticeably less active and effective, he became majorly defensive. Yes, Alvarez was impressive defence-wise, but dodging punches in a beautiful way isn't enough for winning.

Golovkin took a pretty big amount of mid-rounds, he was more active and effective, despite whistling near Canelo's head for the most of occasions. Alvarez reactivated only in the 8th and took a couple of rounds. Then Canelo kinda had another break, although in the 10th and 11th he was more busy and successful in offence, than in the mid-rounds, but Golovkin still seemed to be slightly better until the 12th, where Canelo re-emerged in a more convincing fashion.

Now I scored it this way:

1: Canelo 10-9
2: Canelo 10-9
3: Canelo 10-9
4: Golovkin 10-9
5: Golovkin 10-9
6: Golovkin 10-9
7: Golovkin 10-9
8: Canelo 10-9
9: Canelo 10-9
10: Golovkin 10-9
11: Golovkin 10-9
12: Canelo 10-9

Total score: 114-114

The main thing about this fight is the fact, that it was really entertaining and tight close, a rematch worthy bout indeed.

Golovkin despite all his achievements is a one-dimensional fighter. Of course, he is very good in that dimension of him, but in his age he won't be able to become more advanced or more effective in his trademark game. Canelo is a one to improve here. He had a good overall strategy in the first fight. Now he has learned Golovkin and probably is ready to provide a better performance without previous mistakes.

So I still favour Canelo to take the decision.

[adislav123]

That's reasonably (jezzamundo's post) with pro's and con's analyzed what actually happened. That's how you can judge that fight within the range of reason and reality! Everything else, how anyone (the judges of the first fight got paid off to make it a draw, make a rematch unavoidable) or jamaamb saw it, is either delusion, cluelessness, stupidity or biased ignorance! TRIPLE G WILL HAVE TO KNOCK ALVAREZ OUT TO LEAVE THE RING AS THE VICTOR TONIGHT!!! PERSONALLY I HOPE IT WILL BE A NO HOLDS BARRED, "AS CLOSE AS IT GET'S"-TOE-TO-TOE SLUGFEST, WITH Gennady putting canelo to sleep in the last seconds of the bout!

But in the end, i don't care, all i want to see is an amazing fight!! Cheers! I'm hyped, got DAZN today for 9,99€ for 2! months!!

P.S.:Jesus knows, i'm tryin hard to convey my thoughts!

PPS.: you're an unreasonable, condescending cuunt, enlighted one!!!(just joking)!

[Ruthless-RKO]

Anyone see this??

He couldn’t have drained too much to make 160 pounds...

[jamamb]

lol i think he just thought the chair was under him, but at canelo

[Mexi-Box]

Just rewatched and rescored their first fight. Previously I had Golovkin winning, as far as I remember, with the score of 115-113. However, I never was against a draw. Now my overall opinion about the fight remains almost the same.

Canelo was very good early. Golovkin started fast, but Canelo was able to avoid all dangerous shots and scored himself with more significant ones. Since the 4th round Canelo became noticeably less active and effective, he became majorly defensive. Yes, Alvarez was impressive defence-wise, but dodging punches in a beautiful way isn't enough for winning.

Golovkin took a pretty big amount of mid-rounds, he was more active and effective, despite whistling near Canelo's head for the most of occasions. Alvarez reactivated only in the 8th and took a couple of rounds. Then Canelo kinda had another break, although in the 10th and 11th he was more busy and successful in offence, than in the mid-rounds, but Golovkin still seemed to be slightly better until the 12th, where Canelo re-emerged in a more convincing fashion.

Now I scored it this way:

1: Canelo 10-9
2: Canelo 10-9
3: Canelo 10-9
4: Golovkin 10-9
5: Golovkin 10-9
6: Golovkin 10-9
7: Golovkin 10-9
8: Canelo 10-9
9: Canelo 10-9
10: Golovkin 10-9
11: Golovkin 10-9
12: Canelo 10-9

Total score: 114-114

The main thing about this fight is the fact, that it was really entertaining and tight close, a rematch worthy bout indeed.

Golovkin despite all his achievements is a one-dimensional fighter. Of course, he is very good in that dimension of him, but in his age he won't be able to become more advanced or more effective in his trademark game. Canelo is a one to improve here. He had a good overall strategy in the first fight. Now he has learned Golovkin and probably is ready to provide a better performance without previous mistakes.

So I still favour Canelo to take the decision.

Golovkin is not one-dimensional, wtf? Watch the Lemieux fight to see him being multifaceted. That's a terrible way to talk about a guy with an elite, versatile jab.

[JCS]

Using the 10-pt must.. a draw was a fair call for the first fight. Even if you had it 115-113 or 116-112.. you have to acknowledge the possibility of the draw.

If you throw the 10-pt must out of the window.. I can see leaning toward GGG, but this is not how fights are scored. I think many of the naysayers either didn't score the fight or are biased.

[Ruthless-RKO]

lol i think he just thought the chair was under him, but at canelo

I think you’re right. Hopefully he’s not injured his áss..

[boxing_rocks]

[DrDuke]

Golovkin is not one-dimensional, wtf? Watch the Lemieux fight to see him being multifaceted. That's a terrible way to talk about a guy with an elite, versatile jab.

Lemieux is more limited actually. And I never said, that Golovkin's jab was bad. It was good even in Canelo bout. But Golovkin is strictly offensive fighter. He has a variable arsenal, he's very good from the technical side, but he's not elusive in the offence and he lacks defensive skills.

[jamamb]

lol oh please, canelo has way more mexicans and mex americans on his side, thats why hes easily the a side

some random mexican having a ggg hat doesnt change that

mexicans will see the real mexican win tonight, cant belueve so many think hes losing

[Gimp Mask]

Just rewatched and rescored their first fight. Previously I had Golovkin winning, as far as I remember, with the score of 115-113. However, I never was against a draw. Now my overall opinion about the fight remains almost the same.

Canelo was very good early. Golovkin started fast, but Canelo was able to avoid all dangerous shots and scored himself with more significant ones. Since the 4th round Canelo became noticeably less active and effective, he became majorly defensive. Yes, Alvarez was impressive defence-wise, but dodging punches in a beautiful way isn't enough for winning.

Golovkin took a pretty big amount of mid-rounds, he was more active and effective, despite whistling near Canelo's head for the most of occasions. Alvarez reactivated only in the 8th and took a couple of rounds. Then Canelo kinda had another break, although in the 10th and 11th he was more busy and successful in offence, than in the mid-rounds, but Golovkin still seemed to be slightly better until the 12th, where Canelo re-emerged in a more convincing fashion.

Now I scored it this way:

1: Canelo 10-9
2: Canelo 10-9
3: Canelo 10-9
4: Golovkin 10-9
5: Golovkin 10-9
6: Golovkin 10-9
7: Golovkin 10-9
8: Canelo 10-9
9: Canelo 10-9
10: Golovkin 10-9
11: Golovkin 10-9
12: Canelo 10-9

Total score: 114-114

The main thing about this fight is the fact, that it was really entertaining and tight close, a rematch worthy bout indeed.

Golovkin despite all his achievements is a one-dimensional fighter. Of course, he is very good in that dimension of him, but in his age he won't be able to become more advanced or more effective in his trademark game. Canelo is a one to improve here. He had a good overall strategy in the first fight. Now he has learned Golovkin and probably is ready to provide a better performance without previous mistakes.

So I still favour Canelo to take the decision.

Strongly disagree with giving Canelo rounds 8 and 9, especially round 9.

[jamamb]

if i recall i thought round 9 was one of the biggest rounds of the fight, for ggg, at that point i thought canelo looked knackered but he turned it around and ended stronger then ggg. so i disagree on that part of the scoring too lol

[SenorPipino]

Despite my view that the judges are going to bend over backwards to give Golovkin every close round---trying to prove that they're unbiased and not bought---I'm still crossing all 9 fingers that Canelo pulls out a decision.

Younger, quicker, better defensively, more mobile and simply more versatile, Canelo will prove that he was Golovkin's superior all along. And that PEDS never played a role.

I realize that if he does win, Golovkin diehards will insist that their man grew old and that Canelo is using a masking agent to conceal continued steroid use.

Whatever. Excuses are a big part of boxing. Losing fighters use them all the time. Fans might as well too.

[adislav123]

[boxing_rocks]

You can't blame Pipi. Canelo is an attractive man. Adelaide Byrd also got all wet watching him

[JCS]

Just rewatched and rescored their first fight. Previously I had Golovkin winning, as far as I remember, with the score of 115-113. However, I never was against a draw. Now my overall opinion about the fight remains almost the same.

Canelo was very good early. Golovkin started fast, but Canelo was able to avoid all dangerous shots and scored himself with more significant ones. Since the 4th round Canelo became noticeably less active and effective, he became majorly defensive. Yes, Alvarez was impressive defence-wise, but dodging punches in a beautiful way isn't enough for winning.

Golovkin took a pretty big amount of mid-rounds, he was more active and effective, despite whistling near Canelo's head for the most of occasions. Alvarez reactivated only in the 8th and took a couple of rounds. Then Canelo kinda had another break, although in the 10th and 11th he was more busy and successful in offence, than in the mid-rounds, but Golovkin still seemed to be slightly better until the 12th, where Canelo re-emerged in a more convincing fashion.

Now I scored it this way:

1: Canelo 10-9
2: Canelo 10-9
3: Canelo 10-9
4: Golovkin 10-9
5: Golovkin 10-9
6: Golovkin 10-9
7: Golovkin 10-9
8: Canelo 10-9
9: Canelo 10-9
10: Golovkin 10-9
11: Golovkin 10-9
12: Canelo 10-9

Total score: 114-114

The main thing about this fight is the fact, that it was really entertaining and tight close, a rematch worthy bout indeed.

Golovkin despite all his achievements is a one-dimensional fighter. Of course, he is very good in that dimension of him, but in his age he won't be able to become more advanced or more effective in his trademark game. Canelo is a one to improve here. He had a good overall strategy in the first fight. Now he has learned Golovkin and probably is ready to provide a better performance without previous mistakes.

So I still favour Canelo to take the decision.

Strongly disagree with giving Canelo rounds 8 and 9, especially round 9.

I gave 8 and 9 to Golovkin.. and still managed to get 114-114.. just goes to show ya..