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RKY wrote: ↑18 Sep 2018, 20:57There's no safe way of implementing same day weighins.

We haven't tried a 7-day 5% rule, where you'd have to hit 147 or under the week before fighting at 140, and so on. Two strikes and you're out: you have to move up a weight or retire.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑18 Sep 2018, 21:02

RKY wrote: ↑18 Sep 2018, 20:57

gilgamesh wrote: ↑18 Sep 2018, 13:33 Bring back same day weigh ins, and have the rule of they can't weigh more than 10 pounds over the limit the next day or whatever.

It is definitely ridiculous, and not good for your health overall. I'm not entirely sure it's a huge advantage like some people think, but it definitely makes a difference in some cases. I think it also shortens the careers of those that practice this method of gaining the advantage though.

There's no safe way of implementing same day weighins.

So do it an unsafe way then. Once guys realize they can't drain, and have an advantage anymore they'll go back to fighting at the weight class they belong along or keep getting their dumb asses kicked.

This logic might qpply to pampered and well financed guys like Munguia, but there's a lower echelon of this sport where making weight on short notice is rather murky business. Often promoters will deliberately give journeymen short notice in order to further advantage their guy when building records. It's these guys who will inevitably be the ones taking beatings in dehydrated states because they need the money. Your brain shrinks when dehydrated as it's mostly water, it pulls away from the skull and taking shots to the head in this state increases the chances of brain damage or fatality. Your desire for parity in ring weight doesn't outweigh the safety of fighters, especially not when there are other, safer methods to prevent excessive draining.

Great posts here from Datsue, highlighting exactly what I hate about modern boxing better than I could. I find it very hard to get excited about many fighters these days. I hate the 'pound for pound title' bullsh!t. Give me a guy that dominates a weight class anyday over someone that 'naturally grows out of' of a division (because yeah, grown men that train everyday naturally put on loads of weight / muscle as they develop their 'man-strength'). It's total bollocks.

I had an article idea about handicapping and "legal cheating" earlier this year but struggled to get anyone to talk about it. I ended up doing it as a bit of a rant instead and it will be on BN Online at some point.

RKY wrote: ↑18 Sep 2018, 22:52

gilgamesh wrote: ↑18 Sep 2018, 21:02

RKY wrote: ↑18 Sep 2018, 20:57


There's no safe way of implementing same day weighins.

So do it an unsafe way then. Once guys realize they can't drain, and have an advantage anymore they'll go back to fighting at the weight class they belong along or keep getting their dumb asses kicked.

This logic might qpply to pampered and well financed guys like Munguia, but there's a lower echelon of this sport where making weight on short notice is rather murky business. Often promoters will deliberately give journeymen short notice in order to further advantage their guy when building records. It's these guys who will inevitably be the ones taking beatings in dehydrated states because they need the money. Your brain shrinks when dehydrated as it's mostly water, it pulls away from the skull and taking shots to the head in this state increases the chances of brain damage or fatality. Your desire for parity in ring weight doesn't outweigh the safety of fighters, especially not when there are other, safer methods to prevent excessive draining.

I agree, I think the safety of fighters is paramount, fighters entering the ring dehydrated badly is far too dangerous.

Matt W wrote: ↑17 Sep 2018, 10:41 After watching Munguia vs Cook this weekend I am getting sick and tired of watching huge fighters making a name for themselves by being effing huge at the weight.

I'm tired of watching technically poor performances (Hurd vs Lara) where the winner isn't the better fighter but is the vastly bigger man. It's really putting me off modern boxing.

And this weight draining culture results in having to see weigh-ins where fighters look like they should be in hospital, not entering a championship fight (Jamie McDonnell). We need to get back to weight categories being an equalising factor whereby the better fighter wins (provided he doesn't have the judges and promoters in his pocket of course, but that's another discussion... Canelo <cough>).

This may be up your street, M. Dubya.

‘Any more’ is still always two words in British English, as far as I'm aware, and it's asterisk, not asterix. Anymore's an adverb in American English. Sorry — you've triggered my inner editor! Nicely written, though.

Another aspect's financial filibustering (finibustering), related to your Mayweather-Pac mention. I read today that Fastcar wants Wilder to commit to Joshua before the Fury fight, after which Wilder's share could skyrocket if he wins in style. Fastcar claims a lack of time, but there's plenty if that fight's negotiated by the end of the year for April.

Don't wanna fight someone from a different body? Just bump your price too high.

Grilling Machine wrote: ↑20 Sep 2018, 16:01 ‘Any more’ is still always two words in British English, as far as I'm aware, and it's asterisk, not asterix. Anymore's an adverb in American English. Sorry — you've triggered my inner editor! Nicely written, though.

Another aspect's financial filibustering (finibustering), related to your Mayweather-Pac mention. I read today that Fastcar wants Wilder to commit to Joshua before the Fury fight, after which Wilder's share could skyrocket if he wins in style. Fastcar claims a lack of time, but there's plenty if that fight's negotiated by the end of the year for April.

Don't wanna fight someone from a different body? Just bump your price too high.

I'm still stuck in the American writing mode. Caught between styles, as Jim Watt would say. There is no excuse for Asterix, I don't even have the gaul to make one.

'Finibustering' is a good way of describing it. Both sides save face over a fight that should but didn't happen. There is only one or two reasons why Joshua-Wilder isn't happening and they don't relate to money.

Anyone know Lemieux's fight night weight? My stream mentioned something about 12 or 15 pounds heavier than Spike but not sure what either weighed.

i heard lem 179 and spike 164

jamamb wrote: ↑21 Sep 2018, 05:29 i heard lem 179 and spike 164

Cheers. Sad but Spike has no business at middleweight it he's 164 in the ring. He'd be a middling to small light middle.

Terry Dooley wrote: ↑21 Sep 2018, 05:19Caught between styles, as Jim Watt would say. There is no excuse for Asterix, I don't even have the gaul to make one.

Bang on the chiclet!

I've been caught out by mute/moot in the past, even though that's one of the most common. Anymore's probably on course to become the dominant BE before long. I prefer -ise to -ize and curse autocorrectors, but the latter's the original Greek that passed through Latin. I'm the dafty.

There is only one or two reasons why Joshua-Wilder isn't happening and they don't relate to money.

Yeah, I think at least one of them has serious reservations. In previous eras it would've been harder for them to avoid each other without losing face, but since that doesn't really apply now, you can see why they've kept their powder dry in the hope of a stumble. Wilder's gonna jump for joy if Povetkin wins.

I think the solution has to come from the top down in this case. I suggested the +5% fight night weight limit myself before but promoter's aren't going to wait until fight night to know if any of the bouts are going ahead or not.

Whatever anyone says belts matter and missing the fight night weight should be treated as missing the 24 hour weigh in. You should lose the chance to win the belt and there should be a set deduction from the purse. Of course the opponent must have the right to not go ahead with the fight and be compensated a % of his purse by his opponent.

I think preventing boxers from gaining the glory and money making opportunities that come with a belt (from world level down to regional) is the only way to make the boxer's teams take notice.

Terry Dooley wrote: ↑20 Sep 2018, 11:59

Matt W wrote: ↑17 Sep 2018, 10:41 After watching Munguia vs Cook this weekend I am getting sick and tired of watching huge fighters making a name for themselves by being effing huge at the weight.

I'm tired of watching technically poor performances (Hurd vs Lara) where the winner isn't the better fighter but is the vastly bigger man. It's really putting me off modern boxing.

And this weight draining culture results in having to see weigh-ins where fighters look like they should be in hospital, not entering a championship fight (Jamie McDonnell). We need to get back to weight categories being an equalising factor whereby the better fighter wins (provided he doesn't have the judges and promoters in his pocket of course, but that's another discussion... Canelo <cough>).

This may be up your street, M. Dubya.

Great piece mate, really enjoyed reading that, although I despair at the same time. More and more I find myself cynical about the sport, because in the end it's not a sport but a business, and often a bloody horrible one at that. For me, Canelo symbolises that more than anybody and I can't stand him, in spite of his obvious talents. Keep up what you're doing mate.