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gilgamesh wrote: ↑04 Dec 2018, 00:29

Lackeos wrote: ↑04 Dec 2018, 00:21 Holy sh*t, when is Breazeale going to attempt to get a win against a top 25 opponent? Seriously, Kownacki's and Hammer's resumes put Breazeale's to shame.

He went life and death with Amir Mansour. He can barely scrape by a Top 25-ish guy in his 40's that's closer to 25 than he is 20 in the rankings.

Breazeale is a gutsy fighter, but he's just not very good. Lots of guys could beat him.

I don't think it'd be the most shocking thing in the world if this Negron guy beat him honestly, but considering Negron got stopped by former Super Middleweight turned Heavyweight Journeyman Epifanio Mendoza I doubt he can take Breazeale's punches.

I still think Breazeale would give Whyte a tough nights work, which says a lot about Whyte and my opinions on him.

Nondescript wrote: ↑16 Dec 2018, 14:21

gilgamesh wrote: ↑04 Dec 2018, 00:29

Lackeos wrote: ↑04 Dec 2018, 00:21 Holy sh*t, when is Breazeale going to attempt to get a win against a top 25 opponent? Seriously, Kownacki's and Hammer's resumes put Breazeale's to shame.

He went life and death with Amir Mansour. He can barely scrape by a Top 25-ish guy in his 40's that's closer to 25 than he is 20 in the rankings.

Breazeale is a gutsy fighter, but he's just not very good. Lots of guys could beat him.

I don't think it'd be the most shocking thing in the world if this Negron guy beat him honestly, but considering Negron got stopped by former Super Middleweight turned Heavyweight Journeyman Epifanio Mendoza I doubt he can take Breazeale's punches.

I still think Breazeale would give Whyte a tough nights work, which says a lot about Whyte and my opinions on him.

He's a gutsy guy with power so he might give him a few scares, but I think Whyte would outbox him pretty handily through the majority of the fight.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑16 Dec 2018, 14:40

Nondescript wrote: ↑16 Dec 2018, 14:21

gilgamesh wrote: ↑04 Dec 2018, 00:29

He went life and death with Amir Mansour. He can barely scrape by a Top 25-ish guy in his 40's that's closer to 25 than he is 20 in the rankings.

Breazeale is a gutsy fighter, but he's just not very good. Lots of guys could beat him.

I don't think it'd be the most shocking thing in the world if this Negron guy beat him honestly, but considering Negron got stopped by former Super Middleweight turned Heavyweight Journeyman Epifanio Mendoza I doubt he can take Breazeale's punches.

I still think Breazeale would give Whyte a tough nights work, which says a lot about Whyte and my opinions on him.

He's a gutsy guy with power so he might give him a few scares, but I think Whyte would outbox him pretty handily through the majority of the fight.

Breazeale doesn't take punches very well. He stops firing and becomes a punching bag.

oogiebe wrote: ↑16 Dec 2018, 14:43

gilgamesh wrote: ↑16 Dec 2018, 14:40

Nondescript wrote: ↑16 Dec 2018, 14:21
I still think Breazeale would give Whyte a tough nights work, which says a lot about Whyte and my opinions on him.

He's a gutsy guy with power so he might give him a few scares, but I think Whyte would outbox him pretty handily through the majority of the fight.

Breazeale doesn't take punches very well. He stops firing and becomes a punching bag.

He has employed rope-a-dope effectively in the past. His long arms manage to protect his body and head reasonably well.
Saying that, he does not come into fights in the best possible shape and fights so infrequently that he has a bit of rust every time out.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑16 Dec 2018, 14:59

oogiebe wrote: ↑16 Dec 2018, 14:43

gilgamesh wrote: ↑16 Dec 2018, 14:40

He's a gutsy guy with power so he might give him a few scares, but I think Whyte would outbox him pretty handily through the majority of the fight.

Breazeale doesn't take punches very well. He stops firing and becomes a punching bag.

He has employed rope-a-dope effectively in the past. His long arms manage to protect his body and head reasonably well.
Saying that, he does not come into fights in the best possible shape and fights so infrequently that he has a bit of rust every time out.

im not really sure that was big dom strategically employing rope a dope as much as it was just him not being good enough to avoid punches but resiliant enough to come back and win

what he does have is great heart and good powers of recovery. of course hes a big strong guy too. will be a problem for a lot of guys though too flawed to do much vs the best

coming up i thought he looked terrible but he proved to be strong on the intangibles end.

Why does this forum rate Breazeale so highly? He's not that good.

hes around the lower top 10 or top 12. hes not that good but neither are the vast majority of hw. he wont be an issue for the top guys but can be a problem for the lower ranking contenders and also prospects

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑16 Dec 2018, 19:16 Why does this forum rate Breazeale so highly? He's not that good.

Maybe because he’s gritty? Gives it a go?

The Izu fight helped.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑16 Dec 2018, 19:16 Why does this forum rate Breazeale so highly? He's not that good.

He's a big guy who absorbs punishment well, although he doesn't fight back until his opponent stops punching. He'll never be better and will end up a gatekeeper, IF he chooses to actually fight.

jamamb wrote: ↑16 Dec 2018, 19:19 hes around the lower top 10 or top 12. hes not that good but neither are the vast majority of hw. he wont be an issue for the top guys but can be a problem for the lower ranking contenders and also prospects

I think Kownacki would beat the hell out of him. He's a glorified punching bag.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑16 Dec 2018, 19:19

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑16 Dec 2018, 19:16 Why does this forum rate Breazeale so highly? He's not that good.

Maybe because he’s gritty? Gives it a go?

The Izu fight helped.

It was a good fight, but I think he caught lightning in a bottle.

kownackis a bit of a punchbag himself, took loads off shots and sent to the hospital by that kiladze fellow who kalenga, joyce, and hunter all easily destroyed. barely beat charles martin.

jamamb wrote: ↑16 Dec 2018, 19:32 kownackis a bit of a punchbag himself, took loads off shots and sent to the hospital by that kiladze fellow who kalenga, joyce, and hunter all easily destroyed. barely beat charles martin.

Kownackis is going nowhere. Not really sure why he is rated so high.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑16 Dec 2018, 19:19

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑16 Dec 2018, 19:16 Why does this forum rate Breazeale so highly? He's not that good.

Maybe because he’s gritty? Gives it a go?

The Izu fight helped.

In a nut shell, yeah that's why.
I'm all for a guy showing heart and grit when skills are lacking. I only wish he would be more active and in better condition.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑16 Dec 2018, 19:16 Why does this forum rate Breazeale so highly? He's not that good.

He's the WBC's official mandatory challenger don't you know. He's due to get his shot some time in 2022

After reading an article about Breazeale demanding his WBC shot as mandatory contender, I want Negron to blast him off the rankings more than I like to itch my left nut!

oogiebe wrote: ↑19 Dec 2018, 16:45 After reading an article about Breazeale demanding his WBC shot as mandatory contender, I want Negron to blast him off the rankings more than I like to itch my left nut!

Yeah I think all of us want to see the Top 3 at Heavyweight mixing with each other, guys like Breazeale got no business in the ring with any of the Big 3 until they prove themselves worthy. Breazeale has already gotten a shot at one of 'em, and he got smashed like he was nothing.

Rocky Fielding is a good example of someone who got "smashed like he was nothing". On the other hand, Breazeale hung in there for seven rounds with Joshua & managed to get up from both knockdowns showing that he has a decent chin & a lot of heart.
While he may not be my favorite heavyweight, I do think that Breazeale gets a bad rap from a lot of fans & I'm not sure why. He's a tough, hard-hitting guy that makes for exciting fights so I don't understand why he's so disliked by so many. I think he's an interesting heavyweight to have in the mix at the top ten.

sweetviolenturge wrote: ↑19 Dec 2018, 17:55 Rocky Fielding is a good example of someone who got "smashed like he was nothing". On the other hand, Breazeale hung in there for seven rounds with Joshua & managed to get up from both knockdowns showing that he has a decent chin & a lot of heart.
While he may not be my favorite heavyweight, I do think that Breazeale gets a bad rap from a lot of fans & I'm not sure why. He's a tough, hard-hitting guy that makes for exciting fights so I don't understand why he's so disliked by so many. I think he's an interesting heavyweight to have in the mix at the top ten.

All good points, but he hasn't earned another title shot.

oogiebe wrote: ↑19 Dec 2018, 18:27

sweetviolenturge wrote: ↑19 Dec 2018, 17:55 Rocky Fielding is a good example of someone who got "smashed like he was nothing". On the other hand, Breazeale hung in there for seven rounds with Joshua & managed to get up from both knockdowns showing that he has a decent chin & a lot of heart.
While he may not be my favorite heavyweight, I do think that Breazeale gets a bad rap from a lot of fans & I'm not sure why. He's a tough, hard-hitting guy that makes for exciting fights so I don't understand why he's so disliked by so many. I think he's an interesting heavyweight to have in the mix at the top ten.

All good points, but he hasn't earned another title shot.

Yes I agree with you both. I like Breazeale, he's tough and game albeit not very skilled, and lacking in speed. Seems like a decent guy too. I'm trying (and succeeding tbf) not to let the fact that Haymon's poodle robbed the WBC's number one of the mandatory nomination, to prejudice my feelings toward Breazeale.

I don't suppose it matters much because it doesn't look like Breazeale or Whyte are likely to get a shot at Wilder for the forseeable, so the question of who should hold the mandatory slot is of limited relevance. I expect Sulaiman will call the mandatory when Al is good and ready and not before.

No disrespect to Breazeale, but he should f@#$ off with his title shot demands. So as Whyte. So as Ortiz and anybody else. Until someone of Fury-Joshua-Wilder trio will fight another one from it. Only in this case the remaining third guy can fight someone else, doesn't matter who, and after that he must fight the winner.

DrDuke wrote: ↑20 Dec 2018, 11:22 No disrespect to Breazeale, but he should f@#$ off with his title shot demands. So as Whyte. So as Ortiz and anybody else. Until someone of Fury-Joshua-Wilder trio will fight another one from it. Only in this case the remaining third guy can fight someone else, doesn't matter who, and after that he must fight the winner.

Only Dillian Whyte has fought his way to a title shot and even he now has a fight with Chisora before that happens, which is astounding to me. Since he lost to AJ he has beaten; Chisora; Helenius; Browne; Parker; and David Allen among others. Breazeale fought a baby in Ugonoh and Eric Molina, and now the 'distinguished' Carlos Negron. Sanctioning bodies suck and matchmaking is corrupt. Whyte has earned a shot. Breazeale should STFU.

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 Dec 2018, 12:48

DrDuke wrote: ↑20 Dec 2018, 11:22 No disrespect to Breazeale, but he should f@#$ off with his title shot demands. So as Whyte. So as Ortiz and anybody else. Until someone of Fury-Joshua-Wilder trio will fight another one from it. Only in this case the remaining third guy can fight someone else, doesn't matter who, and after that he must fight the winner.

Only Dillian Whyte has fought his way to a title shot and even he now has a fight with Chisora before that happens, which is astounding to me. Since he lost to AJ he has beaten; Chisora; Helenius; Browne; Parker; and David Allen among others. Breazeale fought a baby in Ugonoh and Eric Molina, and now the 'distinguished' Carlos Negron. Sanctioning bodies suck and matchmaking is corrupt. Whyte has earned a shot. Breazeale should STFU.

Whyte has scored quite a streak, but he is most likely to face Joshua, what has already occurred once and will most likely be in a similar fashion next time.

sweetviolenturge wrote: ↑19 Dec 2018, 17:55 Rocky Fielding is a good example of someone who got "smashed like he was nothing". On the other hand, Breazeale hung in there for seven rounds with Joshua & managed to get up from both knockdowns showing that he has a decent chin & a lot of heart.
While he may not be my favorite heavyweight, I do think that Breazeale gets a bad rap from a lot of fans & I'm not sure why. He's a tough, hard-hitting guy that makes for exciting fights so I don't understand why he's so disliked by so many. I think he's an interesting heavyweight to have in the mix at the top ten.

He has been getting a bad rap stemming from him asking for his mandatory shot with Wilder. He has not earned his #1 spot, it was gifted to him, even though Whyte was/is the holder of the silver #1 contender belt and has defended it multiple times. It's corrupt, and for him to accept the #1 spot, and have the nerve to tout it, loses a lot of true boxing fan's respect for the man- including myself (former Brazeale fan)