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marvelous marv wrote: ↑11 Nov 2018, 10:43 Usyk will beat most heavys, but Joshua is a tough task. So are Fury, Wilder and Ortiz. I think it will be difficult for him to outbox a 6'9 opponent with a good jab.

sharpei_louis wrote: ↑11 Nov 2018, 16:55 I take it this scoring is the anti-Sky judging. Whats the point of the criteria you're picking if you're just going to give Usyk 10/10 on everything? They may as well not fight if your grading is right! Everything you scored in terms of mobility and speed is at cruiser. Two stone or there abouts can marginally affect any of those categories and elite boxing is about fine margins.

Usyk may struggle with Whyte first. Bellew landed plenty and let's not start this 'Usyk let Bellew hit him' guff. If you're gonna tell me someone like Whyte let alone Joshua is no different to anyone Usyk has faced then you're almost as biased as Froch, Smith and co.

ValMar wrote: ↑11 Nov 2018, 10:23 There are several decisive factors :

1. Punching power : Joshua 10/10, Usyk 7/10
2. Chin (punch resistance/recovery) : Joshua 8/10, Usyk 10/10 at CW (HW ??)
3. Mind-set/hearth : Joshua 10/10, Usyk 10/10
4. Stamina : Joshua 7/10, Usyk 10/10
5. Skills : Joshua : 8/10, Usyk 10/10
6. Mobility : Joshua 8/10, Usyk 10/10

7. The judges/referees will be on Joshua's side, I have no dilemma.

The key(s) for victory : Joshua's capability to punch cleanly at least once (and, unfortunately - the judges and the ref).

Blodhemn wrote: ↑11 Nov 2018, 19:14 I've had Usyk over Joshua since the beginning. The disparity in skills is too vast. The only issue is the insane bias against an outsider fighting in the UK. Easily the most corrupt place in boxing currently, even worse than Vegas given the frequency of events.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑11 Nov 2018, 13:15 Weight doesn’t matter.

Wilder and Povetkin weigh around 220lbs.

Usyk can still beat guys via TKO. Ref stoppages.

Bellew said himself, he might not have the best power out there but it’s how he let’s his shots go.

He can adapt well and he’s shown us that before.

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑11 Nov 2018, 21:35

Blodhemn wrote: ↑11 Nov 2018, 19:14 I've had Usyk over Joshua since the beginning. The disparity in skills is too vast. The only issue is the insane bias against an outsider fighting in the UK. Easily the most corrupt place in boxing currently, even worse than Vegas given the frequency of events.

Vegas is by far the worst. NYC second worst. UK a distant 3rd.

If Usyk fights Joshua he'll probably weigh about 212 to 222. Povetkin weighed 222 and he was beating up Joshua until he ran out of gas. Usyk is younger and phenominally skillful.

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑12 Nov 2018, 05:48 I think most guys here are giving Joshua a disservice. He moves remarksbly well for his size, has a very good skill set, effective jab, and can go 12 rounds at a reasonable pace.

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑12 Nov 2018, 06:12

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑12 Nov 2018, 05:48 I think most guys here are giving Joshua a disservice. He moves remarksbly well for his size, has a very good skill set, effective jab, and can go 12 rounds at a reasonable pace.

since when?

against Parker he threw about 20 punches a round? not many more against Takam.

if he has ever fought 12 rounds at a reasonable pace I've missed it.

jamamb wrote: ↑12 Nov 2018, 06:26 japan is above the rest for fair scoring from what ive seen

but most countries, im not really sure any are far worse then the others, basically there is an overall clear advantage for a-side house fighters

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑12 Nov 2018, 06:27

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑12 Nov 2018, 06:12

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑12 Nov 2018, 05:48 I think most guys here are giving Joshua a disservice. He moves remarksbly well for his size, has a very good skill set, effective jab, and can go 12 rounds at a reasonable pace.

since when?

against Parker he threw about 20 punches a round? not many more against Takam.

if he has ever fought 12 rounds at a reasonable pace I've missed it.

Well you've managed to narrow it down to the only 12 rounds he's ever completed, well done.

I said reasonable pace, which is what it was. It wasn't high paced, which may have been a result of what happened in the Klitschko fight, the Parker tactics, and the unbelievably annoying referee.

jamamb wrote: ↑12 Nov 2018, 06:26 japan is above the rest for fair scoring from what ive seen

but most countries, im not really sure any are far worse then the others, basically there is an overall clear advantage for a-side house fighters

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑12 Nov 2018, 03:23

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑11 Nov 2018, 13:15 Weight doesn’t matter.

Wilder and Povetkin weigh around 220lbs.

Usyk can still beat guys via TKO. Ref stoppages.

Bellew said himself, he might not have the best power out there but it’s how he let’s his shots go.

He can adapt well and he’s shown us that before.

Why do we have weight classes then?

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑12 Nov 2018, 05:48 I think most guys here are giving Joshua a disservice. He moves remarksbly well for his size, has a very good skill set, effective jab, and can go 12 rounds at a reasonable pace. I also think the conspiracy theory around judges scoring is a little far fetched too. I personally had him ahead on the Klitschko card, comfortable winner in the Parker fight, although behind on the Povetkin cards. Joshua has only ever needed the judges on one occasion, and that was far from a robbery.

I suspect a similar fight to the Parker fight. Usyk will be slippy and hard to pin down for a flush right, but he'll have to be in and out against a much bigger and stronger man. Joshua can come out a little slow, and struggled with the Povetkin aggression early on, but does adapt well. Question is, can Usyk keep Joshua guessing and can he keep the energy high enough for 12 rounds to keep Joshua at a comfortable range?