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I think we are all guilty of being overly critical of fighters at times. At the end of the day boxing is a learning curve, fighters need to be in hard fights sometimes, being fed a line of tin cans doesn't teach them anything. Couple this learning with just having an off night, maybe carrying an injury or just unlucky with cuts or poor refereeing/judging, its no surprise even the best don't always look great. Mental toughness is probably the most underrated ability someone can have, and love him or hate him, Fury has this. Plus he's a huge lump that can actually fight, switch hit and change styles, not many HWs can do this.


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Controversial wrote: ↑02 Aug 2021, 13:38 I think we are all guilty of being overly critical of fighters at time. At the end of the day boxing is a learning curve, fighters need to be in hard fights sometimes, being fed a line of tin cans doesn't teach them anything. Couple learning with just having an off night, maybe carrying an injury or just unlucky with cuts or poor referring/judging, its no surprise even the best don't always look great. Mental toughness is probably the most underrated ability someone can have and love him or hate him Fury has this. Plus he's a huge lump that can actually fight, switch hit and change styles, not many HWs can do this.

Nice post

After 20 months of inactivity Wilder (238) and Fury (277) met on October 9th 2021 for what appears to be their third and final encounter.

Fury drops Wilder in the third, and Fury injures his ankle. In the fourth, Wilder drops Fury twice. From that point on it was all Fury dropping Wilder in the tenth before poleaxing Wilder with a viscous shot to the ear in the eleventh.

Definite fight of the year and knockout of the year candidate.

Update

The WBC title that Fury holds, along with the Ring Magazine & Lineal titles, has held Dillian Whyte as mandatory for quite a long time. Throughout Wilder's reign Whyte was the mandatory, but due to Whyte having an arbitration case against the WBC he was not officially stated as being Fury's mandatory until December 7th 2020.

However, because the arbitration against the WBC is still ongoing against Whyte this has created a rather unique problem all the way around. If Whyte does not end his lawsuit, and Fury is still obliged to fight him, the match cannot occur and Fury will be penalized by being stripped of the WBC title.

This has prompted Fury and his promotional team to say that if they cannot secure a deal to defend against Dillian Whyte then they will drop the WBC title and defend the Ring & Lineal titles against someone else, indicating that WBC #2 contender Andy Ruiz is a strong possibility.

Ruiz, having previously defeated Anthony Joshua for all the other belts and losing all the belts in a rematch with Joshua, would be a nice opponent on the resume for Fury to further cement his claim to being the best heavyweight of his generation by defeating yet another former title holder.

This of course is most likely a negotiating tactic calling Whyte's bluff so that he will drop his lawsuit so that the fight can happen, or force the WBC into naming someone else as being the mandatory instead of Whyte.

Update Continued



It is looking very much like Fury will defend his lineal title against Andy Ruiz next, although number one ranked by the WBA Robert Helenius is also up for consideration. Dillian Whyte outpriced himself and will not let go of his arbitration case therefore the WBC told Fury to go ahead and fight somebody else in the meantime.

A fight with Andy Ruiz would be a good win for Fury considering he was at one point the unified heavyweight champion and it would be one more ex belt holder on Fury's resume to solidify the fact he is the number one man of his era.

Update



It seems that throwing around names like Andy Ruiz or Robert Helenius must have worked because in the end Fury vs Whyte was agreed upon as an 80/20 split with Frank Warren winning the bid to put on the match in Great Britain instead of Eddie Hearn.



The press conference will be tremendous.

Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all

The first press conference for the WBC and Lineal heavyweight title between Tyson Fury and Dillian Whyte is certainly one of the most bizarre in boxing history as the challenger did not even show up for his own press conference to help promote the fight.

No need for a press conference to advertise this fight. The whole world is obsessed with it already.

it sold out a 90k arena, so ya done pretty well

Whyte earned his shot the hard way. Fury is a real talent though. If he turns up at 80% he beats everyone in the division.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑20 Mar 2022, 14:36 it sold out a 90k arena, so ya done pretty well

Kind of interesting considering many people on the forum in the past argued that Tyson Fury wasn't popular because of low ticket sales in previous fights. The TopRank/ESPN deal certainly did pay off in dividends combined with gutsy performances against Deontay Wilder.

That being said this has been quite the unique promotion since there has been virtually no interviews or anything from Whyte, and Fury has also been pretty quiet as well in comparison to other fights he has had.



But on the basis of his looks he looks like he is trimming down although that can be deceiving as I thought he was going to come in light for the third Wilder fight when the truth was he was heavier than the rematch.

Again this has been one of the more bizarre build-ups to a heavyweight championship fight that I have ever seen where there has been zero help in promoting the match from the challenger so much so that it seems the challenger is in breach of contract, and as a standby there has been another opponent set in place just in case Whyte does not promote the fight with 3 weeks left to go.



Having opponents on standby is not unusual considering back in the 1980s Mike Tyson had Jose Ribalta on standby just in case Tony Tubbs breached the contract by coming in too heavy, but nevertheless this is not a good look for the heavyweight division when the number one contender is dragging his feet and being completely non-compliant throughout the entire promotional venture.

Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all

Controversial wrote: ↑16 Nov 2018, 13:10 Thanks for posting the first McDermott fight, I never saw it and it was never on youtube. I will watch it later but listening to the result it seems no one thought Fury won.

He did not. If should be a loss. Other fights where he was floored by an obsure Russian and floored by an old crusier weight with no power bring up questions as does the Wilder fights where he was floored four times.

His defense is over rated, all these fighters were sub par including Wilder who best wins dont't rate. A maufactured good fighter fighting the old and not very good. That's Wilder, yet exposed Fury twice via defeat.

pound per pound wrote: ↑09 Apr 2022, 11:22

Controversial wrote: ↑16 Nov 2018, 13:10 Thanks for posting the first McDermott fight, I never saw it and it was never on youtube. I will watch it later but listening to the result it seems no one thought Fury won.

He did not. If should be a loss. Other fights where he was floored by an obsure Russian and floored by an old crusier weight with no power bring up questions as does the Wilder fights where he was floored four times.

His defense is over rated, all these fighters were sub par including Wilder who best wins dont't rate. A maufactured good fighter fighting the old and not very good. That's Wilder, yet exposed Fury twice via defeat.

To be fair he did rematch McDermott and stop him. I guess we can all find examples where fighters got lucky

Finally, a press conference of sorts with Fury and Whyte coming together via Zoom to promote their fight that is basically a week to go.

Dillian Whyte, the WBC number one contender for 3 years, gets stopped in the sixth round by Tyson Fury. Whyte never really was in the contest constantly eating jabs and check hooks being incapable of dealing with the speed of the heavyweight champion. Whyte was blinded with a stiff jab and nailed with a perfectly timed right uppercut.



After the fight Fury and UFC heavyweight champion Francis Ngannou said that they would fight each other next in a specialty bout of hybrid rules that benefit neither man. Fury seemed adamant after the contest that he was vacating the WBC belt and was going to retire but was open to the idea of doing exhibition matches. His wife Paris, however, basically said that the only fight that her husband was interested in was an undisputed championship.

52 days after "retiring" Fury essentially says that the only fight worth having is against Usyk, and that he feels Anthony Joshua cannot win the rematch against Usyk. Fury made the media rounds telling various syndicates that he's going to do exhibition matches in the interim.

Andy Ruiz, former unified heavyweight champion, will be made the WBC mandatory if he defeats Luis Ortiz in September. The WBC & lineal champion Tyson Fury is still in "retirement" although he has yet to relinquish the belts and has indicated that he will face Usyk if the public demand is great enough, since Fury feels Joshua cannot defeat the Ukrainian.

From my point of view it makes sense to face Ruiz sometime down the road because not only would it be an easy tally (and easy money) but it would be one more win to solidify the fact that Fury is the best heavyweight of his generation by eliminating yet another ex belt holder.



Furthermore, it seems that an exhibition match with former world's strongest man winner Hafthor Bjornsson is in talks. However, from my point of view I think talks of exhibitions--- rather than doing exhibitions--- is what's happening here to give Tyson Fury free publicity in the interim before a Usyk match can be made.



Lastly it's pretty much common knowledge in the boxing community that Fury and the strong man have been pretty friendly in the past so it seems to me this is just two friends bantering back and forth just to drum up publicity for themselves without actually having to have a boxing match. Besides the fact that Eddie Hall already enacted the rematch clause between him and Bjornsson not long after their match in Dubai, which seems to be a fact that has become memory holed.

Still don't see how this belongs in Boxing History. As for Fury, he fights in an era of the vastly unskilled bulky blubberweights. It's become a freak show. Unless another real terror comes along, the heavyweight division is dead, followed by people who have trouble distinguishing boxing from MMA, many of whom think pro wrassling is real.

Cap wrote: ↑02 Aug 2022, 15:48 Still don't see how this belongs in Boxing History. As for Fury, he fights in an era of the vastly unskilled bulky blubberweights. It's become a freak show. Unless another real terror comes along, the heavyweight division is dead, followed by people who have trouble distinguishing boxing from MMA, many of whom think pro wrassling is real.

#1- To keep things current, is to document everything in live time, that way very few details are missing when looking back retrospectively.

#2- Yeah, yeah, yeah, everybody knows that you hate modern heavyweights. Basically the same crap that Alp says, that everybody prior to the 2000s was good or great and that 180 pound Ezzard Charles could be heavyweight champion today, etc.

#3- If boxing has become such a freak show and everything why the hell are you still involved in it as a writer or editor if you have that much disdain for it? I'm reminded of the latter years of Bert Sugar who made outrageous claims that Primo Carnera could have defeated the Klitschko brothers. Essentially guys like you are just making a living giving an opinion that doesn't mirror reality.

Cap wrote: ↑02 Aug 2022, 15:48 Still don't see how this belongs in Boxing History. As for Fury, he fights in an era of the vastly unskilled bulky blubberweights. It's become a freak show. Unless another real terror comes along, the heavyweight division is dead, followed by people who have trouble distinguishing boxing from MMA, many of whom think pro wrassling is real.

I don't know about an era of Vastly Unskilled Blubberweights, but he is avoiding the most skilled challenger out there it would seem in Usyk.

Of course he may just be talking it up to make a potential fight bigger down the road. Fury is pretty damn good at marketing himself.

I can see why he wants AJ because that'd be a bigger fight, and it'd be the biggest fight in British Boxing History, but he could've already done that years ago if he didn't waste so much time.

Tub o' Guts Fury has fought one good heavyweight in an over-the-hill Wladimir Klitschko and it was one of the worst heavyweight fights ever staged. Between the two of them they threw about 25 or 30 punches and put most fight fans to sleep. Demented Welder, Dill-pickle Whyte, and the rest are at best prelim fighters, qualifying as contenders by being over six feet tall, more than 230 pounds, and able to step around without falling over.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑03 Aug 2022, 13:57
I don't know about an era of Vastly Unskilled Blubberweights, but he is avoiding the most skilled challenger out there it would seem in Usyk.

Of course he may just be talking it up to make a potential fight bigger down the road. Fury is pretty damn good at marketing himself.

I can see why he wants AJ because that'd be a bigger fight, and it'd be the biggest fight in British Boxing History, but he could've already done that years ago if he didn't waste so much time.

Personally I think he's waiting it out for Usyk. It's a fight I think he knows he cannot ignore because it's most likely that Joshua will not succeed in the rematch unless he catches the Ukrainian early.

It's certainly a winnable fight for Fury, but Usyk will certainly be the best person on paper that Fury will have ever fought. No question really about that.

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑04 Aug 2022, 01:38

gilgamesh wrote: ↑03 Aug 2022, 13:57
I don't know about an era of Vastly Unskilled Blubberweights, but he is avoiding the most skilled challenger out there it would seem in Usyk.

Of course he may just be talking it up to make a potential fight bigger down the road. Fury is pretty damn good at marketing himself.

I can see why he wants AJ because that'd be a bigger fight, and it'd be the biggest fight in British Boxing History, but he could've already done that years ago if he didn't waste so much time.

Personally I think he's waiting it out for Usyk. It's a fight I think he knows he cannot ignore because it's most likely that Joshua will not succeed in the rematch unless he catches the Ukrainian early.

It's certainly a winnable fight for Fury, but Usyk will certainly be the best person on paper that Fury will have ever fought. No question really about that.

Yeah I've been seeing AJ's trainer say their plan in the rematch with Usyk is to outwork him and wear him out. That's just plain stupid.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑04 Aug 2022, 12:07

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑04 Aug 2022, 01:38

gilgamesh wrote: ↑03 Aug 2022, 13:57
I don't know about an era of Vastly Unskilled Blubberweights, but he is avoiding the most skilled challenger out there it would seem in Usyk.

Of course he may just be talking it up to make a potential fight bigger down the road. Fury is pretty damn good at marketing himself.

I can see why he wants AJ because that'd be a bigger fight, and it'd be the biggest fight in British Boxing History, but he could've already done that years ago if he didn't waste so much time.

Personally I think he's waiting it out for Usyk. It's a fight I think he knows he cannot ignore because it's most likely that Joshua will not succeed in the rematch unless he catches the Ukrainian early.

It's certainly a winnable fight for Fury, but Usyk will certainly be the best person on paper that Fury will have ever fought. No question really about that.

Yeah I've been seeing AJ's trainer say their plan in the rematch with Usyk is to outwork him and wear him out. That's just plain stupid.

It does not make much sense. I wonder what they are thinking