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The mistake was redacted and corrected. I apologized. That ought to be the end of it. But no, here comes Alp.

Look, why I thought the man was from Europe has already been addressed--- and if a man, logically, had that kind of record in Europe at that time mentioned, he'd of certainly been considered "the big thing" and "best chance".

That was why I wrote it that way. Yes, I took creative license using the word "billed as being" which is a mistake I will not make again--- however, one mistake out of all the other fights listed, is not something to go insane over.

How sadly human it is that someone can get everything else right, but everyone wants to give you a hard time over the one thing you got wrong. If that kind of thinking writes someone off as a contributor then more than half the BoxRec volunteer contributors ought to be dismissed too--- cus there's been some who have been outright wrong or put in their two cents which wasn't accurate.

Off the top of my head I remember Mike DeLisa flat out saying George Foreman took a dive to Tommy Morrison on the forum, and he does record keeping. Isn't that creative license or flat out subjective opinion?

Anyways, there's nothing further to be said. I already fixed the error.

It's because you constantly invent quotes. You've always done it and it's pathetic.

Caractacus wrote: ↑19 Nov 2018, 15:43 I remember someone saying that the only person that Joe Louis ever seemed afraid of
was his older half-brother Lonnie Barrow.
later inn life he used to hit up Joe Louis to pay his gambling debts
and if Joe didn't fork out he would get real angry.
so it gotta be some Psychological thing.

Yeah.
I've got 5 inches and 5 stone on my big sister, but when she sticks her tongue out and looks over her shoulder to check mum isn't around.., I still leg it now !

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑17 Apr 2019, 01:44 The mistake was redacted and corrected. I apologized. That ought to be the end of it. But no, here comes Alp.

Look, why I thought the man was from Europe has already been addressed--- and if a man, logically, had that kind of record in Europe at that time mentioned, he'd of certainly been considered "the big thing" and "best chance".

That was why I wrote it that way. Yes, I took creative license using the word "billed as being" which is a mistake I will not make again--- however, one mistake out of all the other fights listed, is not something to go insane over.

How sadly human it is that someone can get everything else right, but everyone wants to give you a hard time over the one thing you got wrong. If that kind of thinking writes someone off as a contributor then more than half the BoxRec volunteer contributors ought to be dismissed too--- cus there's been some who have been outright wrong or put in their two cents which wasn't accurate.

Off the top of my head I remember Mike DeLisa flat out saying George Foreman took a dive to Tommy Morrison on the forum, and he does record keeping. Isn't that creative license or flat out subjective opinion?

Anyways, there's nothing further to be said. I already fixed the error.

What!? Dicky Ryan's record in Europe at the time of the Vitali Klitschko fight was 0-0-0!

He had never fought outside of the United States!!

And even if you did think Dicky Ryan was fighting out of somewhere in Europe, why on earth would he of all men be the continent's 'best chance' of a heavyweight champion? In the bizarre reality of your brain, surely that would be Vitali himself? Or did you think Ryan was somehow the favourite going in, or that Vitali/Ryan was a 50/50 fight? But if that were so, then by default Wladimir would surely be Europe's best chance over Dicky freaking Ryan? And as I say, that's before considering the difficult-to-forget fact that Lewis was WBC champ in 98, Herbie the WBO champ.

Also, 'you got everything else right'? No you didn't! Not even close. You said that Puritty had KOd Wladimir "months before" Vitali/Purrity. Puritty KOd Wladimir THREE YEARS before Puritty/Vitali! THREE YEARS! And you said that Vitali gave him the"beating of his life". Have you ever seen the fight? Vitali did no such thing. He never knocked Puritty down, never hurt him, and crooked John Coyle actually had to stop the fight on a minute paper cut to Puritty in order to achieve the 'revenge stoppage'.

(Aside: It's hugely controversial when Vitali gets stopped by Lennox with his face looking like it's been dragged through some gruesome wine-press, but when Vitali stops Puritty on a tiny, insignificant commonplace cut, it's a KO. Funny that.)

You close the Vitali/Puritty paragraph with the nonsensical remark that 'Puritty had never been stopped, if you overlook the fact he had been stopped,' which means you are crediting Vitali with a KO for a silly and indefensible cut stoppage while discrediting Cleveland Woods who legitimately bombed out Puritty, putting him heavily on the floor! You're insane!

^^ Pure poetry.

Don't you think tho that Vladimir Klitschko pretty much "KO'd" himself in the Purritty fight by not pacing himself ?

Caractacus wrote: ↑18 Apr 2019, 17:16 Don't you think tho that Vladimir Klitschko pretty much "KO'd" himself in the Purritty fight by not pacing himself ?

I couldn't care less how he lost to Russ purity.

overhand_right wrote: ↑17 Apr 2019, 09:23 What!? Dicky Ryan's record in Europe at the time of the Vitali Klitschko fight was 0-0-0!

Well, at least he was undefeated there.

looks like this thread needs to be updated.
many of Vitali Klitschko's fights seem to have been removed from youtube,
( probably just a bunch of sore losers demanded it ).
Hey HH maybe you should start another Vitali Klitschko thread and make
it an JUltimate Vitali Klitschko thread including all known video interviews
and film and video footage.

Caractacus wrote: ↑18 Apr 2019, 17:16 Don't you think tho that Vladimir Klitschko pretty much "KO'd" himself in the Purritty fight by not pacing himself ?

I've never watched the Purrity fight, but I don't doubt it considering that's kinda what he did against Lamon Brewster. He was beating the sh*t out of Brewster in the early going, and then just hit the wall, and looked absolutely exhausted in Round 5. He basically thought he was gonna bomb him out early, and he fought him that way, and when he was still there after a few rounds...well you know the rest.

He had an easier time in the rematch years later when he had improved his pacing, and Brewster had suffered a detached retina. He's blind in one eye now, and the injury that caused it was prior to the Wlad fight. Not sure if he was half blind in the Wlad fight or if it's something that got worse over time, but his vision was surely severely impaired.

Yeah, it looked like Vladimir was moving around too much wasting energy at the beginning.


bUT the fight with Brewster remAins a Mystery.
( KLitschko already looks exhausted when he sits down on the stool after the fourth round).

Look at the punch stats with Brewster. It's not a mystery. Wlad threw more punches in the first 4 rounds there than he throws in a lot of 12 round fights. That's why he exhausted himself. He was sure he was gonna beat Brewster easy, and found out different.

Another factor might've been this. In the 3rd round Brewster stuns Wlad pretty badly at one point, and given that his KO loss to Corrie Sanders was still in the very recent past at this time he might've freaked out more than usual with something like this happened, and used up a lot of energy with nervousness.

He definitely seemed to have trouble handling difficulty in fights for the first few years after the Sanders defeat until Steward's coaching had a chance to fully sink in, and he started getting smarter and more tactical.

Didn't hurt that his competition sucked.

The Island of VITALI ?

Looks like this thread may be needing an update with a lot of "Dr. IRONFIST'S" fights having been removed from youtube
over the last year or so.

So a kickboxing champion and a world boxing champion. How would Vitaly do as an MMA fighter? With those light gloves, and his range, he could be tough to beat.

I dunno either,but did he ever do any wrestling in his younger days ?

Caractacus wrote: ↑29 Oct 2020, 20:00 I dunno either,but did he ever do any wrestling in his younger days ?

Wrestling? Not that I aware of. Besides pro wrestling scripted, isn't it?

I don't watch much super heavyweight MMA matches, but the ones I have seen so the fighters aren't very quick or defensive. In theory Vitali with those light ounce MMA KO gloves could do well.

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑17 Nov 2018, 19:33

25th fight
Herbie Hide, 31-1, had only lost to Riddick Bowe in his career. "The Dancing Destroyer" was fast and hit hard. Not unlike David Haye in many respects. Following the Klitschko fight he was never quite the same & would later campaign as a Cruiserweight. Vitali stopped him in two rounds and became "somebody" at long last winning the WBO Heavyweight championship.



26th fight
Ed Mahone, 21-0-2, was considered a legitimate threat to the lineal title let alone Vitali Klitschko, but his undefeated streak ended in the 3rd round. This just further cemented Vitali as the most logical contender to champion Lennox Lewis.



27th fight
Obed Sullivan, 34-5-1, was the first man to take Vitali beyond eight rounds. He'd get stopped in the 9th. Sullivan prior to this had been stopped by Michael Grant (9th of 12) and lost decisions to Hasim Rahman, Jesse Ferguson, and Derrick Jefferson. So Klitschko was certainly on track showing he belonged beating this "gate keeper".



28th fight
In one of the most bizarre fights of the 2000's, Klitschko was originally scheduled to face Razor Ruddock. On ten days notice Chris Byrd was selected to replace him. Byrd, 30-1-0, had only lost to Ike Ibeabuchi and had wins against Jimmy Thunder and Bert Cooper. Klitschko, winning every single round, suddenly retires in his corner between rounds 9 and 10 complaining that his shoulder was injured. Larry Merchant, commentator at HBO, went off in a tirade saying: "He doesn’t have the mentality of a champion. I can hardly believe what I just saw." This stigma would stay with Vitali for several years as "the brother with no heart." Vitali legitimately had a torn rotator cuff, but critics to this day will say, "He could have lost the last three rounds and still would have won!", so he'll always have his detractors over this contest.

How can people blame a guy for stopping with a torn rotator cuff? This is high level championship boxing. People die in the ring.

Caractacus wrote: ↑03 Apr 2019, 14:15

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑17 Nov 2018, 23:17
And of course the biggest question of them all, who would win had the Klitschko's fought each other.

Common opponent.....

Corrie Sanders

Wlad GKTFO by Sanders 2 rounds

Vitamin K TKO Sanders

Whaddya think would happen? Bye bye Wlad