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Steveh583 wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 08:51

ShadrachSimmo wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 07:39

stujones wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 07:28 Yes, but I think aside from one fight (and I still think it was a pretty awful performance) we could say the EXACT same thing about Fury.

Yes, people bring out the Chisora fights....... and yes he did a job on Chisora both times, especially fight 2. However, I still also think Chisora was 1) Clearly out of shape for fight 1, and 2) Lots of gym rumours about his health for fight 2.

Yes, possibly harsh - but then probably his next best opponent was Cunnigham who floored him, Hammer - C Level and I can barely remember who else he's fought - we could be seriously suggesting his next best opponent after Hammer was John McDermott.

Its a fascinating fight - both seem to be flawed fighters and characters.

I think the first Chisora fight was close. I thought Fury just shaded if I remember right.

No Fury bossed the first fight, it was just slightly more competitive than the second

Was it on channel 5? I defo had it closer than the wide scored suggested. I think

tobyh5 wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 13:48

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 08:52

tobyh5 wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 08:22 I actually think Fury has an awful lot to prove. He beat Wlad, who had struggled with Jennings and we need to see more than that one win to see what he has. In history, lot of people had one big win but subsequent outings end up with the impression that it was probably a case of catching the right guy on the right night

He struggled with Jennings? Ok.

Struggled is a poor verb choice. He just looked poor and faded in that fight

He did look faded in that one. The Fury-Wlad fight is a strange one. Wlad in general is a bit of a strange one.
Fury done for him with his awkwardness and sheer size. The usual mind games backfired and it showed.

Wlad then produced a fine effort against Joshua.

How would the Fury rematch have gone had it took place? I honestly think the Wlad that fought Joshua would beat Fury. We’ll never know of course.

Wilder Fury is intriguing. I hope Fury smothers Wilder’s work and wears him down. I worry Tyson has overdone the weight loss though. He’s a naturally big man of course but he’s not a hulking bloke by any means. He doesn’t seem overly strong for his size and looks a little too lean in the pictures I’ve seen.
He looked strong in the Wlad fight. Maybe it was the gear? Either way I hope he hasn’t rushed this

I’m still backing him to do the business!

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 13:59

thechump wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 11:23

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 11:05 I wouldn't say it's too harsh as long as fury is a pillow fisted oaf that has faced c+ opposition.

I think he did face c+ level fighters and earned hsi way to no.1 contender to klitschko then gave his career best performance without throwing too many punches against the mummy version of klitschko but fury didnt know the mummy version would show up so credit to fury as for wilder he has faced b- fighters all the way through his career all the way to ortiz but claims he is no.1 in the world lol,he is the most dangerous man in the division but he is no.1. Fury will show him up on saturday,have him chasing shadows all night till the kate rounds then i see fury putting him away between 10-12

Wilder ko1

Wilder ko rnd 5-6

ShadrachSimmo wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 14:03

Steveh583 wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 08:51

ShadrachSimmo wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 07:39

I think the first Chisora fight was close. I thought Fury just shaded if I remember right.

No Fury bossed the first fight, it was just slightly more competitive than the second

Was it on channel 5? I defo had it closer than the wide scored suggested. I think

Yeah I think so. Def terrestrial. Fury won by 3 rounds at least if I remember, tho it was entertaining

chisora was in bad shape at over 260 and was spent and had very little to offer after a good flurry early, that was rightfully a lopsided 10-2 type of win for fury, not close at all, i thought he looked close to stopping chis a few times too

fury bossed him in close actually with a lot of uppercuts and body work, totally different range from the second fight where he jabbed and move pretty much whole time

jamamb wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 17:29 chisora was in bad shape at over 260 and was spent and had very little to offer after a good flurry early, that was rightfully a lopsided 10-2 type of win for fury, not close at all, i thought he looked close to stopping chis a few times too

fury bossed him in close actually with a lot of uppercuts and body work, totally different range from the second fight where he jabbed and move pretty much whole time

Yeah that's right, he was in awful shape wasn't he? Well overweight. Must have been worried about the size, because I've never seen him that bad since

ya he was about 20 pounds lighter for the rematch and clearly with more energy then the first fight, he just could never really manage anything with fury jabbing and keeping range effectively, that was probably the least competitive dels been in any fight , even when haye stopped him he was looking 'in' the previous rounds

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 13:59

thechump wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 11:23

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 11:05 I wouldn't say it's too harsh as long as fury is a pillow fisted oaf that has faced c+ opposition.

I think he did face c+ level fighters and earned hsi way to no.1 contender to klitschko then gave his career best performance without throwing too many punches against the mummy version of klitschko but fury didnt know the mummy version would show up so credit to fury as for wilder he has faced b- fighters all the way through his career all the way to ortiz but claims he is no.1 in the world lol,he is the most dangerous man in the division but he is no.1. Fury will show him up on saturday,have him chasing shadows all night till the kate rounds then i see fury putting him away between 10-12

Wilder ko1

Not a chance,the hands cant hit what the eyes cant see

thechump wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 21:55

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 13:59

thechump wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 11:23

I think he did face c+ level fighters and earned hsi way to no.1 contender to klitschko then gave his career best performance without throwing too many punches against the mummy version of klitschko but fury didnt know the mummy version would show up so credit to fury as for wilder he has faced b- fighters all the way through his career all the way to ortiz but claims he is no.1 in the world lol,he is the most dangerous man in the division but he is no.1. Fury will show him up on saturday,have him chasing shadows all night till the kate rounds then i see fury putting him away between 10-12

Wilder ko1

Not a chance,the hands cant hit what the eyes cant see

Ok, so now Fury is not Mayweather but Ali?

wlder already beat a top 5 hw who punches much harder then fury and can box some himself....hes past the point of being some big hype job fraud who just falls to peaces vs first legit opponent

granted when he was coming up he gave off that vibe to me ....but he proved himself to be better then i thought hed be

I discount Chisora II for this fight because Del was largely beaten by height and reach from a keepaway Fury. That leaves Ortiz, who was 137 years old according to my barber, and the off-night Wlad.

This is the biggest test for both in my book. Obviously I felt that Wlad would be Fury's greatest challenge until it happened, but hindsight's wonderful. Wlad hurt Fury slightly when he woke up in the 12th, so I think that Fury only beats Wilder if he avoids getting caught all night. It's certainly possible, but I imagine the opposite's more likely on account of Wilder's attributes as a package, and then I start thinking about Pajkic and Cunningham again.

Yes, Fury's improved since then, but his chin hasn't. I'm sure this'll be a career-best win for one of them.

Grilling Machine wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 22:51 I discount Chisora II for this fight because Del was largely beaten by height and reach from a keepaway Fury. That leaves Ortiz, who was 137 years old according to my barber, and the off-night Wlad.

This is the biggest test for both in my book. Obviously I felt that Wlad would be Fury's greatest challenge until it happened, but hindsight's wonderful. Wlad hurt Fury slightly when he woke up in the 12th, so I think that Fury only beats Wilder if he avoids getting caught all night. It's certainly possible, but I imagine the opposite's more likely on account of Wilder's attributes as a package, and then I start thinking about Pajkic and Cunningham again.

Yes, Fury's improved since then, but his chin hasn't. I'm sure this'll be a career-best win for one of them.

Pajkic and cinningham both put Fury on his back because he dropped his left and was wide open for the overhand right. Wilder is all wrong for Fury - imo Wilders biggest asset is how far back he throws the overhand right from. He takes a huge step forward and slightshots it from the other side of the ring, and does so with incredible handspeed.

In addition to keeping his left hand low Fury also leans back. It works for him vs shorter guys but Wilder is nearly as tall as him.

I suspect Fury might switch southpaw early on just to try and avoid the right and give him chance to land a right handed check hook if Wilder falls in, but he'd be giving up his jab, which is really where his success has came from. All roads lead to Wilder for me, Furys best chance is to get. in the mix with big shots of his own imo. Maybe that's why he hired Roach... fight fire with fire?

Shhhh wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 22:07

stufm wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 06:22 I'm not trolling, whatever that is, I think Wilder seems like a good bloke and he's having a great career. With my objective head on though, I'm looking through his resume and I'm not blown away by the names on there. I'm watching videos of him, yes I see the knockouts but I also see him falling over his feet, looking wide open and waving his arms around when he gets into trouble. For whatever reason, when I see him fight I'm just not thinking 'yes, this guy is top drawer'. Granted, he is dispatching these guys, but not always without making a slog of it, so he's clearly a level above them. I'm not saying he's awful, can't box, or anything like that. I just wonder if we've got another Michael Grant here, comes in with a fearsome reputation but gets quickly found out at the very top level and collapses when he gets chinned. Am I being too harsh here, how reasonable an opinion is that?

I think this is great comparison Michael Grabt. Fury will outbox hi m and push him around inside Tyson is a heavyweight Usyk or Lomachwnko if you ask me

oogiebe wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 21:57

thechump wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 21:55

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 13:59

Wilder ko1

Not a chance,the hands cant hit what the eyes cant see

Ok, so now Fury is not Mayweather but Ali?

He is compared to wilder

thechump wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 01:01

oogiebe wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 21:57

thechump wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 21:55

Not a chance,the hands cant hit what the eyes cant see

Ok, so now Fury is not Mayweather but Ali?

He is compared to wilder

Only a chump would say that! lol!

oogiebe wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 21:57

thechump wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 21:55

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 13:59

Wilder ko1

Not a chance,the hands cant hit what the eyes cant see

Ok, so now Fury is not Mayweather but Ali?

Or at the very least Appolo Creed

RKY wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 00:47In addition to keeping his left hand low Fury also leans back. It works for him vs shorter guys but Wilder is nearly as tall as him.

And he leaves himself open when switching, which is also a shorties-can't-punish thing.

I suspect Fury might switch southpaw early on just to try and avoid the right and give him chance to land a right handed check hook if Wilder falls in, but he'd be giving up his jab, which is really where his success has came from. All roads lead to Wilder for me, Furys best chance is to get. in the mix with big shots of his own imo. Maybe that's why he hired Roach... fight fire with fire?

A fair bunch of us seem to share this view. But I've no idea if it's best for Fury to go all-in until we see what happens if he does. Keeping it close with his hands up feels like the most sensible advice right now. If he gets lazy on the outside he'll get tagged; Wilder's not a man to clown.

I agree with you about his choice between having more safety with a counter right (I think that's a good thought), or retaining his jab and having to really focus on distance and timing. We saw Harrison's paw doing no business, and Fury has the same tendency as a lefty. Wilder was wary of walking into Harrison's best punch, but the big man relied on that one setup his entire career. Does Fury bring anything more to the table as a lefty, or has he just been flattered by his shorter opponents...

I'm inclined to believe it's more of the latter. As a lad I fought an older boy who was a few inches shorter, and I found it easy to work him over with my stronger right arm as a southpaw jab. But had he been taller or more talented, not a chance.

He's never impressed me, I expect Fury to be too clever for him, I think AJ would flatten him.

This is why I'm hyped for it: who knows?!

It still remains to be proven how good these three are.

Furys gonna be all over wilder like a cheap suit

Fury is going to be all over the canvas.

It's not harsh, it's just wrong. The Ortiz fight.

Stiverne of the first fight was hardly C-Level either.

Shhhh wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 21:37

RKY wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 00:50

Shhhh wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 22:07
I think this is great comparison Michael Grabt. Fury will outbox hi m and push him around inside Tyson is a heavyweight Usyk or Lomachwnko if you ask me

Don’t you agree?!? He’s 6ft9 heavyweight 20 stoned moves like Usyk switching angles speed accuracy. I see a bit of Nas in him too

This place has gone to hell in a handbasket. WTF? Am I reading

Shhhh wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 21:50

tiny_acres wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 21:40

Shhhh wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 21:37

Don’t you agree?!? He’s 6ft9 heavyweight 20 stoned moves like Usyk switching angles speed accuracy. I see a bit of Nas in him too

This place has gone to hell in a handbasket. WTF? Am I reading

U have to remember he’s such a big man so not graceful but he’s got all the moves. He can even do that Mayweather shoulder block thing

I think you are in for a very rude awakening on Saturday.

Shhhh wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 22:09

tiny_acres wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 21:58

Shhhh wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 21:50

U have to remember he’s such a big man so not graceful but he’s got all the moves. He can even do that Mayweather shoulder block thing

I think you are in for a very rude awakening on Saturday.

Tyson masterclass followed by I told you so interview

I will be the first to post an apology for being wrong if Fury wins.But I will be the first to brag when Wilder wins