Like when?
If Fury was a 'master of the mind' there would be no 'what happened afterwards'.
As a general rule the mind games concept as a whole is utter nonsense. Any mental advantage/disadvantage is brought about by a boxers ability to deal with the pressure of a contest/fear of an opponent based on what they have done not what they say and/or whatever else is going on in their life at the time. The only legit 'mind game win' I can think of is Collins v Eubank.
Klitschko fight was the most obvious example. Wlad even admitted as much in the face to face discussion they had with Nelson for the second fight.
Mind games can play a huge part in any contest of they psychologically damage an opponent. There are examples of that in every sport.
Nah. His life outside of boxing was the real factor there.
Mind games are largely a waste of everyones time and have no negative effect on an opponent. Once in a while what one boxer says can get to another, but most of the time, nah. It can help a boxer to feel more positive and confident if he believes he is 'winning the mindgames' but as I said, in an overwhelming percentage of times, it means nothing.
You're underplaying mind games massively. Ali used to play them all the time, as did Tyson. Boxing is as much mental as physical at the highest level if not more so and mind games are an important part in some fighters being able to gain a psychological edge which then can have a huge impact on performance.
RKY wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 06:42
Embarrassing rant, but typical style of trashtalk we've come to expect from African Americans. Ridiculous gangster slang, repeating themsellves like parrots.
He's probably more bothered by his lack of fame than Fury. Tyson is a big step down from Ortiz, not sure what Wilder has to sweat.
That's just a f***ing stupid thing to say
I doubt the action of Wilder reflect much on say, Sugar Ray Leonard
Dry your eyes mate, i know it's hard to take but her mind has been made up.
RKY wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 06:42
Embarrassing rant, but typical style of trashtalk we've come to expect from African Americans. Ridiculous gangster slang, repeating themsellves like parrots.
He's probably more bothered by his lack of fame than Fury. Tyson is a big step down from Ortiz, not sure what Wilder has to sweat.
And you wonder why someone started a thread asking if you were racist? This is a very poor comment to make
In all fairness most African Americans have got the same patter, its the same with most Eastern Europeans being quite steely eyed and quiet, I wouldn't say its racist personally, I cringe when I see the likes of Broner, Wilder, the Charlo's holler all that "yeah" and "that's right baby", and not coz their black its coz it doesn't mean anything, guys like Leonard and even Porter talk a lot more sense,
A lot of the Black UK guys are the same, especially the Londoners like Okolie and Yarde, the shite they waffle on twitter makes my cock shrivel into ,my stomach
Absolutely nothing to do with their skin colour, I blame the music personally, rappers and grime artists talk utter bollocks, guys from Hackney singing in an Amercian accent, not for me thanks
RKY wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 06:42
Embarrassing rant, but typical style of trashtalk we've come to expect from African Americans. Ridiculous gangster slang, repeating themsellves like parrots.
He's probably more bothered by his lack of fame than Fury. Tyson is a big step down from Ortiz, not sure what Wilder has to sweat.
And you wonder why someone started a thread asking if you were racist? This is a very poor comment to make
In all fairness most African Americans have got the same patter, its the same with most Eastern Europeans being quite steely eyed and quiet, I wouldn't say its racist personally, I cringe when I see the likes of Broner, Wilder, the Charlo's holler all that "yeah" and "that's right baby", and not coz their black its coz it doesn't mean anything, guys like Leonard and even Porter talk a lot more sense,
A lot of the Black UK guys are the same, especially the Londoners like Okolie and Yarde, the shite they waffle on twitter makes my cock shrivel into ,my stomach
Absolutely nothing to do with their skin colour, I blame the music personally, rappers and grime artists talk utter bollocks, guys from Hackney singing in an Amercian accent, not for me thanks
keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 06:19
He's just trying to sell some tickets IMO. Quorn Beef between him and Fury. I'd have preferred if they had just shaken hands and been friendly. That tactic worked for AJ and Wlad.
Two stadium fillers Boxing one another can promote a contest in a different way to two men who don’t fill arenas.
Joshua hasn't filled a stadium before the Klitschko fight. That's beside the point though. Boxing fans know Fury and Wilder get on, but they insist on playing their part in the pantomime. If they shook hands and talked naturally, they would have sold the same amount of tickets IMO. I don't know anyone who is buying the BS.
Re: Is Wilder losing it?
Posted: 29 Nov 2018, 10:59
by keithmoonhangover
RKY wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 06:42
Embarrassing rant, but typical style of trashtalk we've come to expect from African Americans. Ridiculous gangster slang, repeating themsellves like parrots.
He's probably more bothered by his lack of fame than Fury. Tyson is a big step down from Ortiz, not sure what Wilder has to sweat.
And you wonder why someone started a thread asking if you were racist? This is a very poor comment to make
In all fairness most African Americans have got the same patter, its the same with most Eastern Europeans being quite steely eyed and quiet, I wouldn't say its racist personally, I cringe when I see the likes of Broner, Wilder, the Charlo's holler all that "yeah" and "that's right baby", and not coz their black its coz it doesn't mean anything, guys like Leonard and even Porter talk a lot more sense,
A lot of the Black UK guys are the same, especially the Londoners like Okolie and Yarde, the shite they waffle on twitter makes my cock shrivel into ,my stomach
Absolutely nothing to do with their skin colour, I blame the music personally, rappers and grime artists talk utter bollocks, guys from Hackney singing in an Amercian accent, not for me thanks
RKY wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 06:42
Embarrassing rant, but typical style of trashtalk we've come to expect from African Americans. Ridiculous gangster slang, repeating themsellves like parrots.
He's probably more bothered by his lack of fame than Fury. Tyson is a big step down from Ortiz, not sure what Wilder has to sweat.
And you wonder why someone started a thread asking if you were racist? This is a very poor comment to make
In all fairness most African Americans have got the same patter, its the same with most Eastern Europeans being quite steely eyed and quiet, I wouldn't say its racist personally, I cringe when I see the likes of Broner, Wilder, the Charlo's holler all that "yeah" and "that's right baby", and not coz their black its coz it doesn't mean anything, guys like Leonard and even Porter talk a lot more sense,
A lot of the Black UK guys are the same, especially the Londoners like Okolie and Yarde, the shite they waffle on twitter makes my cock shrivel into ,my stomach
Absolutely nothing to do with their skin colour, I blame the music personally, rappers and grime artists talk utter bollocks, guys from Hackney singing in an Amercian accent, not for me thanks
You're talking absolute uneducated, nonfactual sh1t though. You've made the leap from a black boxer from Alabama sounding like West Coast gangster rappers (he doesn't) to UK Grime artists and London based boxers who happen top be black like that's a legitimate comment. What on God's earth are you on even on about? It's like saying Fury talks sh1t because fellow white Europeans like Adolf Hitler and David Cameron and Noel Gallagher also talk sh1t, like it's some kind of inherited thing... it's not... people talk sh1t... Wilder talks sh1t, I talk sh1t, Snoop Dogg talks sh1t, Tyson Fury talks sh1t, Eddie Hearn talks sh1t and you talk some major smelly sh1t
Re: Is Wilder losing it?
Posted: 29 Nov 2018, 11:21
by jamamb
might it be that there really are cultural factors that influence some racial-cultural groups differently, and thus make them more or less likely to adopt different approaches as showmen and boxers? clearly for example , there are some different tones to press conferences , fight atmospheres , boxing styles etc among different groups
and its proven that there are cultural differences in how much emotion is considered acceptable to show for example ,proven cultural differences in tons of things like this
im not really sure its racist to suggest that afro american boxers might have more of a tendancy to flash and gabb then most other groups, doesnt mean all or even most of aa boxers do it of course
And you wonder why someone started a thread asking if you were racist? This is a very poor comment to make
In all fairness most African Americans have got the same patter, its the same with most Eastern Europeans being quite steely eyed and quiet, I wouldn't say its racist personally, I cringe when I see the likes of Broner, Wilder, the Charlo's holler all that "yeah" and "that's right baby", and not coz their black its coz it doesn't mean anything, guys like Leonard and even Porter talk a lot more sense,
A lot of the Black UK guys are the same, especially the Londoners like Okolie and Yarde, the shite they waffle on twitter makes my cock shrivel into ,my stomach
Absolutely nothing to do with their skin colour, I blame the music personally, rappers and grime artists talk utter bollocks, guys from Hackney singing in an Amercian accent, not for me thanks
You're talking absolute uneducated, nonfactual sh1t though. You've made the leap from a black boxer from Alabama sounding like West Coast gangster rappers (he doesn't) to UK Grime artists and London based boxers who happen top be black like that's a legitimate comment. What on God's earth are you on even on about? It's like saying Fury talks sh1t because fellow white Europeans like Adolf Hitler and David Cameron and Noel Gallagher also talk sh1t, like it's some kind of inherited thing... it's not... people talk sh1t... Wilder talks sh1t, I talk sh1t, Snoop Dogg talks sh1t, Tyson Fury talks sh1t, Eddie Hearn talks sh1t and you talk some major smelly sh1t
Who in their right mind would watch the video posted in this thread and think Wilder sounds merely like a southerner? His rant is use of urban ebonics "shiiiiiiiiiieeet, googla 'at shiiiit bro", sounds more like a bad Tupac impersonator. Boring, predictable smack talk with a side of the race card.
Re: Is Wilder losing it?
Posted: 29 Nov 2018, 11:23
by keithmoonhangover
RKY wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 11:22
shiiiiiiiiiieeet, googla 'at shiiiit bro", sounds more like a bad Tupac impersonator. Boring, predictable smack talk with a side of the race card.
RKY wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 11:22
shiiiiiiiiiieeet, googla 'at shiiiit bro", sounds more like a bad Tupac impersonator. Boring, predictable smack talk with a side of the race card.
keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 06:19
He's just trying to sell some tickets IMO. Quorn Beef between him and Fury. I'd have preferred if they had just shaken hands and been friendly. That tactic worked for AJ and Wlad.
Two stadium fillers Boxing one another can promote a contest in a different way to two men who don’t fill arenas.
Joshua hasn't filled a stadium before the Klitschko fight. That's beside the point though. Boxing fans know Fury and Wilder get on, but they insist on playing their part in the pantomime. If they shook hands and talked naturally, they would have sold the same amount of tickets IMO. I don't know anyone who is buying the BS.
The ranting and raving isn't to tempt in boxing fans, it is to tempt in divs wearing £4 Tap Out T shirts from Sports direct and whatever the American equivalent is.
Re: Is Wilder losing it?
Posted: 29 Nov 2018, 11:49
by Srebmun
I thought he looked/sounded like a man ready to knock someones block off.
RKY wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 11:22
shiiiiiiiiiieeet, googla 'at shiiiit bro", sounds more like a bad Tupac impersonator. Boring, predictable smack talk with a side of the race card.
Take your wagging finger elsewhere.
Take your racist comments elsewhere. I bet you're the kind of person that starts a sentence with, "I'm not a racist, but....."
Take your racist comments elsewhere. I bet you're the kind of person that starts a sentence with, "I'm not a racist, but....."
Nothing racist about what I said, you're just a halfwit.
Tweet Wilder or Okolie or one of the others mentioned and ask if they think it's racist and then you'll get your answer but you won't do that because you're a pussy
Take your racist comments elsewhere. I bet you're the kind of person that starts a sentence with, "I'm not a racist, but....."
Nothing racist about what I said, you're just a halfwit.
Tweet Wilder or Okolie or one of the others mentioned and ask if they think it's racist and then you'll get your answer but you won't do that because you're a pussy
Ok I'll tweet Wilder and ask if it is fair to say his style of trash talk is synonymous with African American culture - and if hes offended by it then he can come get some
Take your racist comments elsewhere. I bet you're the kind of person that starts a sentence with, "I'm not a racist, but....."
Nothing racist about what I said, you're just a halfwit.
Tweet Wilder or Okolie or one of the others mentioned and ask if they think it's racist and then you'll get your answer but you won't do that because you're a pussy
Got nothing against Yarde he's a talented fighter and comes across Well in all the interviews I've seen of him. I can't think of one white boxer who would come out with that 'lions in the camp' bollocks that him and his team constantly spout that's not racist just talking the truth
Nothing racist about what I said, you're just a halfwit.
Tweet Wilder or Okolie or one of the others mentioned and ask if they think it's racist and then you'll get your answer but you won't do that because you're a pussy
Ok I'll tweet Wilder and ask if it is fair to say his style of trash talk is synonymous with African American culture - and if hes offended by it then he can come get some
Embarrassing rant, but typical style of trashtalk we've come to expect from African Americans. Ridiculous gangster slang, repeating themsellves like parrots.
Tell him that, don't hide behind some weird handle though like most racists
is there no cultural element to differences in communication and public display? yes there is, and its well proven, i just dont think that its immediately racist to suggest that it may extend in a specific way to sports showmanship...granted the phrasing was provocative
Two stadium fillers Boxing one another can promote a contest in a different way to two men who don’t fill arenas.
Joshua hasn't filled a stadium before the Klitschko fight. That's beside the point though. Boxing fans know Fury and Wilder get on, but they insist on playing their part in the pantomime. If they shook hands and talked naturally, they would have sold the same amount of tickets IMO. I don't know anyone who is buying the BS.
The ranting and raving isn't to tempt in boxing fans, it is to tempt in divs wearing £4 Tap Out T shirts from Sports direct and whatever the American equivalent is.
as boring as a rap singer that is.