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Re: Has Wilder got a better name than Chisora on his record?

Posted: 30 Nov 2018, 13:51
by TheGman
jamamb wrote: 30 Nov 2018, 13:45
thechump wrote: 30 Nov 2018, 13:43 Ortiz,monlina,stiverne 1,arreola and washington all were better than chisora at the tine wilder beat them
utter nonsense, arreola wasnt even able to beat fred kassi and molina has never been anything, in his big win he was down 7-2 vs an old faded adamek whod already lost 9-3 years before to vach glazkov, pretty sure del would beat wash too
Is this not an opinion based forum? :OhYes: . Last time i checked it was lol. Im pretty sure the guys iv mentione would beat kabayel pretty easy too,we can pick the bones out of anyones career but,like i say imo these were better than chisora at the time wilder beat them,ill give you arreola maybe but the rest are

Re: Has Wilder got a better name than Chisora on his record?

Posted: 30 Nov 2018, 13:53
by jamamb
lol ya and im giving my opinion

molinas nothing at all, no idea why you act like he wouldnt lose to chisora or kaybayel. hes a guy who got iced by a nobody, blasted out in 1 by arreola , dropped by tony grano, only won md vs a 6-40 journeyman, never won a round vs breazeale , was down wide vs old faded adamek whod been dominated years before by glazkovnetc
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arreola was obviously you reaching, maybe you didnt see how awful he was vs kassi, he was obviously well faded, even curt harper gave him hell

ortiz imo is the only one clearly beyond chisora

Re: Has Wilder got a better name than Chisora on his record?

Posted: 30 Nov 2018, 13:56
by BigDoofus
coneye wrote: 30 Nov 2018, 01:12 People do have short memories , It was'nt that long ago , Fury was being critizized for cherry picking , not having the talent ect ect , He then beat Klitchco , but whatever you say a old and faded klitchko in a boring fight .

Wilder only a year ago , was being critizized , for cherry picking , worst heavyweight champ , ect ect ect . His one defining fight was against a OLD Ortiz , and he come very close to losing , definetly getting outboxed.

Now people are talking like there both masterclass , .For me what makes this fight intriguing is there evenly matched ,, non are great boxers like we are used to seeing , but average , and evenly matched , boxer v puncher . .

And the more i think about it AJ sparkles both of them .
The Klitschko that AJ beat was even older and hadn't won a fight in over 2 years. He then took a $50m swerve and will end up fighting an opponent who he has already beaten and went life-and-death with Chisora. Sparkling?

Re: Has Wilder got a better name than Chisora on his record?

Posted: 30 Nov 2018, 14:03
by Gnome
No mention of former WBO champ Liakhovich? Surely he was a better opponent than Harrison at least. He'd never been blown out before like he was against Wilder.

Re: Has Wilder got a better name than Chisora on his record?

Posted: 30 Nov 2018, 15:05
by Deleted_Scenes
BigDoofus wrote: 30 Nov 2018, 13:56 The Klitschko that AJ beat was even older and hadn't won a fight in over 2 years. He then took a $50m swerve and will end up fighting an opponent who he has already beaten and went life-and-death with Chisora. Sparkling?
The facilitator of that $50m offer came out and admitted it was never an offer to Joshua, as Wilder's people made out. The money was put forward by BT, as on offer to Sky Sports/Matchroom to buy the rights to the fight. Joshua would have seen a fraction of it, if anything.

Re: Has Wilder got a better name than Chisora on his record?

Posted: 30 Nov 2018, 17:41
by TheGman
jamamb wrote: 30 Nov 2018, 13:53 lol ya and im giving my opinion

molinas nothing at all, no idea why you act like he wouldnt lose to chisora or kaybayel. hes a guy who got iced by a nobody, blasted out in 1 by arreola , dropped by tony grano, only won md vs a 6-40 journeyman, never won a round vs breazeale , was down wide vs old faded adamek whod been dominated years before by glazkovnetc
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arreola was obviously you reaching, maybe you didnt see how awful he was vs kassi, he was obviously well faded, even curt harper gave him hell

ortiz imo is the only one clearly beyond chisora
Havent you heard of fighters getting caught cold? He got blasted out in 1 round by arreola but takes wilder to round 9 and rocked him,went 3 rounds with AJ and had brazeale down aswell,the guy has heart and i believe the time he fought wilder he was better than chisora. Regarding arreola i forgot about his performances against stiverne so ye ill admit chisora is better than arreola,probably better than any version of arreola tbh

Re: Has Wilder got a better name than Chisora on his record?

Posted: 30 Nov 2018, 17:42
by jamamb
molina never dropped breazeale, he git battered

Re: Has Wilder got a better name than Chisora on his record?

Posted: 01 Dec 2018, 04:01
by BigDoofus
Deleted_Scenes wrote: 30 Nov 2018, 15:05
BigDoofus wrote: 30 Nov 2018, 13:56 The Klitschko that AJ beat was even older and hadn't won a fight in over 2 years. He then took a $50m swerve and will end up fighting an opponent who he has already beaten and went life-and-death with Chisora. Sparkling?
The facilitator of that $50m offer came out and admitted it was never an offer to Joshua, as Wilder's people made out. The money was put forward by BT, as on offer to Sky Sports/Matchroom to buy the rights to the fight. Joshua would have seen a fraction of it, if anything.
Joshua's promoter did an IFL interview confirming the offer was genuine and he had checked the money was there. He said AJ would decide within a fortnight. He chose not to fight.

Re: Has Wilder got a better name than Chisora on his record?

Posted: 01 Dec 2018, 05:47
by Deleted_Scenes
BigDoofus wrote: 01 Dec 2018, 04:01
Deleted_Scenes wrote: 30 Nov 2018, 15:05
BigDoofus wrote: 30 Nov 2018, 13:56 The Klitschko that AJ beat was even older and hadn't won a fight in over 2 years. He then took a $50m swerve and will end up fighting an opponent who he has already beaten and went life-and-death with Chisora. Sparkling?
The facilitator of that $50m offer came out and admitted it was never an offer to Joshua, as Wilder's people made out. The money was put forward by BT, as on offer to Sky Sports/Matchroom to buy the rights to the fight. Joshua would have seen a fraction of it, if anything.
Joshua's promoter did an IFL interview confirming the offer was genuine and he had checked the money was there. He said AJ would decide within a fortnight. He chose not to fight.
The offer was genuine, and the money was there. It just wasn't an offer to pay a full $50m to the fighter. Eddie never once mentioned how those funds would have been split, nor did he ever claim Joshua would receive all of the money.

Fwank was asked in an IFL interview, how they planned to get around Joshua's contractual obligations to Sky - as BT were financing the offer, Fwank was supposedly involved in the brokering behind the scenes.

BT agreed to finance the offer, if and only if, the fight was to be aired exclusively on BT PPV. Fwank's reply was that the BT funded offer was put to Sky and Matchroom as a bid to buy out the full rights to the fight - Not an offer to pay a $50m purse directly to Joshua.

If Joshua is to earn $50m personally, that gives two possibilities:

1. Sky and Matchroom would be content to pass the full amount to Joshua, happy to earn zero profit for themselves, when their own fighter is contesting the biggest heavyweight fight in years.

2. The BT offer was actually vastly more than $50m (to ensure Joshua got the amount he wanted, and Sky and Matchroom also would receive an amount sufficient to compensate them for their own loss of earnings). No amount greater than $50m was ever confirmed, or even rumoured, by either side.

None of those seem very likely, do they?

The ONLY possible alternative, is that Joshua was only set to receive a cut of the full amount.

Anyway, on topic, Ortiz was clearly better than Chisora. Stiverne (first fight) is the next best fighter on Wilder's record. He was probably about level with the motivated version of Del Boy, although his ranking at the time was inflated, due to the division entering a transitional phase. Nobody really knew who was better than who, and Stiverne had a win over shot Arreola. That's it. Hindsight tells us he probably shouldn't have even been top 10. It is what it is. Nobody else is really worth mentioning.