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KiwiRider wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 02:08 Sorry guys, but I had Fury up by two going into the 12th.
Yeah, I hate to admit it, but I had it a draw.
I watched it with two boxing mad mates and we all had score cards I printed up.
One had it Wilder by 1
The other had it Fury by 1
And I had it even.
So no, not a robbery.
It could have been worse, I've seen worse. The Wilder winning card was crap though. No way. Not by that much.

I had it a draw also

Wilder won only knockdown rounds. giving him 2 rounds more would be very generous and still it would be 114-112 Fury

It was a draw but if anyone feels like a winner it would be Tyson. A lot of pundits doubted he could put up a fight like that and he‘d probably be the favourite in a rematch. Plus the Bomber was favoured and he didn’t win it.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 02:13

DrDuke wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 02:09

gilgamesh wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 02:06 Draw was fair. A narrow margin victory either way would've been reasonable too. No robbery here. Nobody dominated.

How come? The Gypsy King dominated. He was outboxing Wilder for the vast majority of the fight.

You and I have a different definition of Dominated.

I understand Domination as thoroughly shutting a guy down, and not giving him a moment of control.

Not throwing your hands in the air, throwing your hands behind your back, sticking your tongue out, and generally being a jackass.

He did well in the latter half of the fight, but he started too late to deserve the win IMO.

Yep it's quite subjective.
I had all the clowning nicking Tyson a close round here and there on "ring-generalship".
It put you right off and you scored for Wilder.
You're in a minority, and I maintain Tyson was tad unlucky, but - again - hardly a "robbery"

Michael Brodie was robbed, Obadai Sai was tied-up then robbed. Robin Reid was deducted points for hitting Sven Ottke then he got robbed and left for dead afterwards.

Slightly bad decision - It's NOT a robbery !

Fury is a bonafide hero!

punchoutsb wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 02:13
It's that card I have a problem with. I thought Fury took it pretty easily aside from the two knockdowns, but I don't necessarily have a problem with the draw. But that 7 rounds to Wilder card was abysmal.

Yes the Wilder winning card was the one I had a big problem with.
Way too big a margin. You could argue one round up if all you see is aggression, but Tyson making him miss all night had to counter that surely.

lazboy wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 02:22 Fury is a bonafide hero!

Definitely. He‘s a superstar. Amazing bloke, really likeable too.

lazboy wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 02:22 Fury is a bonafide hero!

Yeah, The Gypsy King truly impressed!

As an American and a hardcore boxing fan, I apologize for that decision

gilgamesh wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 02:13

DrDuke wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 02:09

gilgamesh wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 02:06 Draw was fair. A narrow margin victory either way would've been reasonable too. No robbery here. Nobody dominated.

How come? The Gypsy King dominated. He was outboxing Wilder for the vast majority of the fight.

You and I have a different definition of Dominated.

I understand Domination as thoroughly shutting a guy down, and not giving him a moment of control.

Not throwing your hands in the air, throwing your hands behind your back, sticking your tongue out, and generally being a jackass.

He did well in the latter half of the fight, but he started too late to deserve the win IMO.

No, that was clearly a domination. Fury schooled Wilder. Wilder won 3 rounds. He won like the 2nd and the knockdown rounds. Hell, the 2nd was close too, so that could've gone to Fury as well. Get your eyes checked, bud. When everyone else sees a fight differently, you need to start looking at yourself. Clear robbery! Anyone citing Raefeal's terrible scorecard is an imbecile too.

chuck9788 wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 02:26 As an American and a hardcore boxing fan, I apologize for that decision

Glad to see such unbiased statements.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 02:21

Great stuff as always with these.

Noxy wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 02:25

lazboy wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 02:22 Fury is a bonafide hero!

Definitely. He‘s a superstar. Amazing bloke, really likeable too.

Cannot believe he got up from that kd rd 12. That was a Holmes shavers recovery. Amazing! Talked the the talk, walked the walk. Unbelievable.

I saw my question answered from another thread.

The 114-110 for Fury reading was just a mistake it would seem. The card reads 114-112. That makes sense mathematically speaking at least.

I was wondering where the extra 2 points would've come in.

DrDuke wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 02:26

lazboy wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 02:22 Fury is a bonafide hero!

Yeah, The Gypsy King truly impressed!

Very much so! Love boxing.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 02:27

gilgamesh wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 02:13

DrDuke wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 02:09

How come? The Gypsy King dominated. He was outboxing Wilder for the vast majority of the fight.

You and I have a different definition of Dominated.

I understand Domination as thoroughly shutting a guy down, and not giving him a moment of control.

Not throwing your hands in the air, throwing your hands behind your back, sticking your tongue out, and generally being a jackass.

He did well in the latter half of the fight, but he started too late to deserve the win IMO.

No, that was clearly a domination. Fury schooled Wilder. Wilder won 3 rounds. He won like the 2nd and the knockdown rounds. Hell, the 2nd was close too, so that could've gone to Fury as well. Get your eyes checked, bud. When everyone else sees a fight differently, you need to start looking at yourself. Clear robbery! Anyone citing Raefeal's terrible scorecard is an imbecile too.

I know what I saw. I know Boxing.

It's the Mexican judge who's out of line.
Wilder winning the first 4
That's hard to understand.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 02:29

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 02:27

gilgamesh wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 02:13

You and I have a different definition of Dominated.

I understand Domination as thoroughly shutting a guy down, and not giving him a moment of control.

Not throwing your hands in the air, throwing your hands behind your back, sticking your tongue out, and generally being a jackass.

He did well in the latter half of the fight, but he started too late to deserve the win IMO.

No, that was clearly a domination. Fury schooled Wilder. Wilder won 3 rounds. He won like the 2nd and the knockdown rounds. Hell, the 2nd was close too, so that could've gone to Fury as well. Get your eyes checked, bud. When everyone else sees a fight differently, you need to start looking at yourself. Clear robbery! Anyone citing Raefeal's terrible scorecard is an imbecile too.

I know what I saw. I know Boxing.

I guess your version of boxing doesn't exist in reality, sorry.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 02:28 I saw my question answered from another thread.

The 114-110 for Fury reading was just a mistake it would seem. The card reads 114-112. That makes sense mathematically speaking at least.

I was wondering where the extra 2 points would've come in.

The card was added wrong.

skanksta wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 02:30 It's the Mexican judge who's out of line.
Wilder winning the first 4
That's hard to understand.

Out of the first 4, the only one he won was a close round.

I can't believe there are guys on here saying Wilder won too. That's the toughest part. I'm on a better forum with better posters, and I've not seen anyone that thinks Wilder won that fight.

skanksta wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 02:06 I think Fury won 116-112. (8-4) and with the KDs 114-112.

He shoulda won, but it's hardly the worst robbery is it ?

Agreed. I think Fury won (same scorecard as you) but it's not a robbery, just a questionable decision.

That Rochin card is horrendous.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑02 Dec 2018, 02:06 Draw was fair. A narrow margin victory either way would've been reasonable too. No robbery here. Nobody dominated.

I see what you mean in terms of overall result, but the card for Wilder was atrocious.

it was one of the worst decision and one of the worst scorecards in the XXI century in world championship fights. hard to recall 10, or even 5 worse decisions in this century, and the mexican judge competes with Adelaide Byrd