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scartissue wrote: ↑15 Dec 2018, 20:06 Gil, great job in replaying this for us. I only have two more gripes with the Ring on some of their selections. One was Jose Napoles and their naming Emile Griffith as the one he couldn't KO. Armando Muniz would have been a much better choice. Muniz was robbed blind in their first fight which was called a 'tech. win' for Napoles after Muniz destroyed him. The rematch went the full 15 rounds with Napoles finally dropping Muniz once In the 8th. A much better choice. Also on the Charley Burley pick, the Ring picked Archie Moore. Again, bad choice. Burley went the distance 3 times each with Fritzie Zivic and Aaron Wade. They would have been the right way to go. But again, I'm nitpicking. Great job on a still great piece.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑14 Dec 2018, 21:11 41. Tony Zale

Zale fought the excellent Nate Bolden more than than he did Graziano, and never was able to stop him. They fought twice in 1937, once in '38, and again in '39, and the best Zale could manage was a pair of decision wins.

42. Michael Spinks

Spinks tried like hell, but he never could get a good handle on the slick Eddie Davis during their February 1984 tussle for Spinks' title. He dominated the 32 year old, but Davis rallied in the 2nd half of the fight, even stunning Spinks late. Spinks had to settle for a mildly controversial decision.

43. Joe Gans

Like many of the great black fighters of the era. Gans met future Hall of Fame trainer Jack Blackburn several times, but couldn't stop him. They fought to no-decisions in Philadelphia in 1903 and 1906, and Gans outpointed him over 15 rounds in Baltimore, Maryland in 1904.

44. Elmer "Violent" Ray

Ray was able to decision Jersey Joe Walcott in November 1946 in New York, but that was it. Walcott had stopped him in 3 in New York in September 1937, and 10 years later he decision Ray over 10 rounds in Florida.

45. George Godfrey

Godfrey and Ed "Bearcat" Wright met three times, twice for Godfrey's "colored" Heavyweight title. They fought to a 10 round no contest in November 1926, a draw in December 1930, and a 6 round No Contest in February 1933. Wright was one of the very good underrated heavyweights of the period.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑14 Dec 2018, 22:07 Yeah they made questionable choices a few times.

BoxBuzz wrote: ↑16 Dec 2018, 16:02 Giglamesh, you are the best plagiarist around! ( I'm kidding, as you made no secret of your source.) I just loved reading this (again)! And though as you say, they made some questionable calls, it's just refreshing to be reminded that some folks don't mind taking the time to be thoughtful about these stats, and/or take the time to spread the knowledge, as you have done here.

And it's good to know that you are doing something useful with that Underwood Typewriter that Santa brought you last year for Christmas.

scartissue wrote: ↑17 Dec 2018, 12:46 I always felt the most glaring omission from Ring's list was Carlos Hernandez, the jr. welterweight champ from Venezuela. The dude had absolute chilling power. In his career he KO'd or stopped Joe Brown, Teo Cruz, (stopped only twice - once by Mando Ramos on cuts and by KO to Hernandez), Davey Moore (Hernandez also broke his jaw), Kenny Lane, Alfredo Urbina, Bunny Grant (stopped only twice - by Clyde Gray at the end of his career and by KO to Hernandez), Paolo Rosi (this was not on cuts, this was on a 1st round KO) and Baby Vasquez (stopped only 7 times in almost 200 bouts). He also dropped Eddie Perkins, Nicolino Loche and Jose Napoles in losing bouts. His inclusion on this list should have been mandatory.

oogiebe wrote: ↑17 Dec 2018, 13:28 This was terrific! Thanks Gil! Unless I missed it I'm surprised Tunney/Greb wasn't included here!

gilgamesh wrote: ↑17 Dec 2018, 17:17

oogiebe wrote: ↑17 Dec 2018, 13:28 This was terrific! Thanks Gil! Unless I missed it I'm surprised Tunney/Greb wasn't included here!

Tunney isn't really considered a big KO puncher in the annals of Boxing history. He's seen as more of a technician than a puncher. Obviously he wasn't a weakling, but his punching power isn't what defines him.