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jamamb wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 20:40

oogiebe wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 18:46

Skalamanga wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 18:43 Embarrassing that Nigeria has a population of 190 million yet have only had 2 world champions ever!

Almost every single Nigerian prospect that was hyped turned out to be a bum, I expect this guy to be the same.

They've had contenders and some good ones. This kid could end that if he's as good as I believe he'll be. 2020.

hes moving nowhere near the pace where hell be a world champ that soon

C'mon Jam, you know the sport. He'll have six fights this year, and by mid-year, he'll be stepping up in competition. By late 2020 he'll be a force to be reckoned with. How is this moving nowhere? Geez, he's just getting started. He's not going to be five years of punching out bums. Keep watching. He's 24 y/o.

i said hes moving nowhere near the pace of a 2020 hw champ, its just true, thats next year

jamamb wrote: ↑03 Jan 2019, 20:51 i said hes moving nowhere near the pace of a 2020 hw champ, its just true, thats next year

Ah, yes...I get it now.

I must admit I have very high hopes for this young man. He has loads of time to develop although I agree he was never going to learn anything from Turnbow when he'd already sparked a better fighter in Nick Jones and more so stopped the very respectable journeyman, Rodney Hernandez. Better opponents from now on please.

He appears to have an abundance of raw power, a very decent jab, and he seems to have very good composure, although this will obviously be tested by better quality opposition. He looks a little stiff but the same complaint has been levelled at Joshua who appears to be doing ok.

I've been enjoying following Efe's progress for a while now. I think it will continue to be a lot of fun. I mean for the spectator not the guy in the other corner. Me I'd be making like Curtis Harper and it would have nothing to do with being unhappy about being asked to take a pay-cut

candyslim wrote: ↑04 Jan 2019, 04:12 I must admit I have very high hopes for this young man. He has loads of time to develop although I agree he was never going to learn anything from Turnbow when he'd already sparked a better fighter in Nick Jones and more so stopped the very respectable journeyman, Rodney Hernandez. Better opponents from now on please.

He appears to have an abundance of raw power, a very decent jab, and he seems to have very good composure, although this will obviously be tested by better quality opposition. He looks a little stiff but the same complaint has been levelled at Joshua who appears to be doing ok.

I've been enjoying following Efe's progress for a while now. I think it will continue to be a lot of fun. I mean for the spectator not the guy in the other corner. Me I'd be making like Curtis Harper and it would have nothing to do with being unhappy about being asked to take a pay-cut

oogiebe wrote: ↑17 Dec 2018, 16:02

jamamb wrote: ↑17 Dec 2018, 15:48 he should fight better opposition soon

Agreed. I'm hoping busy and better competition for 2019. He's yet to fill out as well, so could be a 255 LB'er before long.

Love the impatience here on Boxrec. The guy's 24 and had 8 fights (7 actual fights). Compared to most boxers he's had a pretty tough slate for just 8 fights. And he's been plenty active, 8 fights in 1.5 years is not bad. Should spend 2019 doing exactly the same, no need for him to step up the competition yet and get ahead of himself.

And I for one hope he doesn't hit 255. He's in great shape now, almost a novelty in the HW division. 235 suits him very well, and he's kept at that weight consistently.

lol hes been past the 1st round in just 1 fight, hardly impatatient to want him to step it up a bit some time in his next few fights when hes blowing out nick jones, santino turnbow, etc. give him another rod hernandez type at least

SportsRatings wrote: ↑04 Jan 2019, 14:58

oogiebe wrote: ↑17 Dec 2018, 16:02

jamamb wrote: ↑17 Dec 2018, 15:48 he should fight better opposition soon

Agreed. I'm hoping busy and better competition for 2019. He's yet to fill out as well, so could be a 255 LB'er before long.

Love the impatience here on Boxrec. The guy's 24 and had 8 fights (7 actual fights). Compared to most boxers he's had a pretty tough slate for just 8 fights. And he's been plenty active, 8 fights in 1.5 years is not bad. Should spend 2019 doing exactly the same, no need for him to step up the competition yet and get ahead of himself.

And I for one hope he doesn't hit 255. He's in great shape now, almost a novelty in the HW division. 235 suits him very well, and he's kept at that weight consistently.

Good points, but he's ready to move up a level in competition (top 50-60 boxers). Certainly better than Turnbow, who in my opinion, was a step in the wrong direction. He'll have 5 or six fights in 2019 and then make a jump during 2020, perhaps finishing out that year in the discussion. I love this kid. He will probably be 245-255 once he fills out, but it won't be a problem with him, more like Lennox Lewis, when he filled out to similar weight. Can't wait to see him next time out. In case you couldn't tell from my rah-rah posts!

Ronnie Shields says Ajagba has the best work ethic of anyone since Evander Holyfield and his physical condition bears witness to that but he clearly needs to pick up the pace in facing tougher opponents. The tomato can he faced in his last win came only for the paycheck.

Best Coast wrote: ↑04 Jan 2019, 17:13 Ronnie Shields says Ajagba has the best work ethic of anyone since Evander Holyfield and his physical condition bears witness to that but he clearly needs to pick up the pace in facing tougher opponents. The tomato can he faced in his last win came only for the paycheck.

There, in Turnbow, was a guy who should've not been paid. Disgraceful wasn't it?

SportsRatings wrote: ↑04 Jan 2019, 14:58

oogiebe wrote: ↑17 Dec 2018, 16:02

jamamb wrote: ↑17 Dec 2018, 15:48 he should fight better opposition soon

Agreed. I'm hoping busy and better competition for 2019. He's yet to fill out as well, so could be a 255 LB'er before long.

Love the impatience here on Boxrec. The guy's 24 and had 8 fights (7 actual fights). Compared to most boxers he's had a pretty tough slate for just 8 fights. And he's been plenty active, 8 fights in 1.5 years is not bad. Should spend 2019 doing exactly the same, no need for him to step up the competition yet and get ahead of himself.

And I for one hope he doesn't hit 255. He's in great shape now, almost a novelty in the HW division. 235 suits him very well, and he's kept at that weight consistently.

I'm not suggesting he should be facing a Gerald Washington or even a Joey Dawejko but surely a gradual improvement in opposition quality each time out is better than fighting a succession of Turnbows which will teach him nothing but complacency.

My ideal nexr opponent could be Avery Gibson then maybe Alex Flores Jonathan Rice, Jeremiah Karpency, Chazz Witherspoon ... boxers well within his capabilities but not so advanced that he's then looking at gatekeepers as a next step up.

SportsRatings wrote: ↑04 Jan 2019, 14:58

oogiebe wrote: ↑17 Dec 2018, 16:02

jamamb wrote: ↑17 Dec 2018, 15:48 he should fight better opposition soon

Agreed. I'm hoping busy and better competition for 2019. He's yet to fill out as well, so could be a 255 LB'er before long.

Love the impatience here on Boxrec. The guy's 24 and had 8 fights (7 actual fights). Compared to most boxers he's had a pretty tough slate for just 8 fights. And he's been plenty active, 8 fights in 1.5 years is not bad. Should spend 2019 doing exactly the same, no need for him to step up the competition yet and get ahead of himself.

And I for one hope he doesn't hit 255. He's in great shape now, almost a novelty in the HW division. 235 suits him very well, and he's kept at that weight consistently.

At only 24 he will naturally fill out another 10 to 20 LBS. better competition meaning getting him some rounds with active but not dangerous fighters. The 'usual suspects' as we see Hrgovic; teslenko and other's bouts.

candyslim wrote: ↑04 Jan 2019, 19:56

SportsRatings wrote: ↑04 Jan 2019, 14:58

oogiebe wrote: ↑17 Dec 2018, 16:02

Agreed. I'm hoping busy and better competition for 2019. He's yet to fill out as well, so could be a 255 LB'er before long.

Love the impatience here on Boxrec. The guy's 24 and had 8 fights (7 actual fights). Compared to most boxers he's had a pretty tough slate for just 8 fights. And he's been plenty active, 8 fights in 1.5 years is not bad. Should spend 2019 doing exactly the same, no need for him to step up the competition yet and get ahead of himself.

And I for one hope he doesn't hit 255. He's in great shape now, almost a novelty in the HW division. 235 suits him very well, and he's kept at that weight consistently.

I'm not suggesting he should be facing a Gerald Washington or even a Joey Dawejko but surely a gradual improvement in opposition quality each time out is better than fighting a succession of Turnbows which will teach him nothing but complacency.

My ideal nexr opponent could be Avery Gibson then maybe Alex Flores Jonathan Rice, Jeremiah Karpency, Chazz Witherspoon ... boxers well within his capabilities but not so advanced that he's then looking at gatekeepers as a next step up.

the usual suspects!

@Oogiebe Dychko is 28 which is still young for a heavyweight. and That is the only time in his entire amateur career where he was even dropped and it was against the best super heavyweight amateur of this era and the hardest puncher of this era in the world championship final ( a level Ajagba could never get to) , so no shame there. And yeah he deserves a better promoter/manager, it's hard to believe no one has snapped him up.

Skalamanga wrote: ↑04 Jan 2019, 22:47 @Oogiebe Dychko is 28 which is still young for a heavyweight. and That is the only time in his entire amateur career where he was even dropped and it was against the best super heavyweight amateur of this era and the hardest puncher of this era in the world championship final ( a level Ajagba could never get to) , so no shame there. And yeah he deserves a better promoter/manager, it's hard to believe no one has snapped him up.

I was off by one year, so what? I went back and watched some more vids on him, and I have to say, I wasn't as impressed as I had been before. He's pretty slow. He's ahead of Efe for now, but that may change in the coming year. Efe started boxing late and didn't have much of an amateur career. Again, so what? We'll see in time what happens with each. In the meantime, enjoy the ride!

oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Jan 2019, 17:33

Best Coast wrote: ↑04 Jan 2019, 17:13 Ronnie Shields says Ajagba has the best work ethic of anyone since Evander Holyfield and his physical condition bears witness to that but he clearly needs to pick up the pace in facing tougher opponents. The tomato can he faced in his last win came only for the paycheck.

There, in Turnbow, was a guy who should've not been paid. Disgraceful wasn't it?

I really like Efe and think he has awesome potential. His work ethic is phenomenal and his physical gifts as well. His reach is 88", which is 3" more than 6'9" Tyson Fury, 6" more than AJ, 5" more than Wilder!!

By pampering Ajagba, RIchard Schaefer & his other handlers are actually doing him a disservice by stifling his fistic development!! Fighting too many tomato cans makes you soft and that is one of Deontay Wilder's problems. His first 30 bouts were against total scrubs or half-baked has-beens like 42-year-old Fraudley Harrison. Sure, Wilder has the KO% numbers but he is still very raw and crude for someone with 40+ pro fights!!

Best Coast wrote: ↑04 Jan 2019, 23:29

oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Jan 2019, 17:33

Best Coast wrote: ↑04 Jan 2019, 17:13 Ronnie Shields says Ajagba has the best work ethic of anyone since Evander Holyfield and his physical condition bears witness to that but he clearly needs to pick up the pace in facing tougher opponents. The tomato can he faced in his last win came only for the paycheck.

There, in Turnbow, was a guy who should've not been paid. Disgraceful wasn't it?

I really like Efe and think he has awesome potential. His work ethic is phenomenal and his physical gifts as well. His reach is 88", which is 3" more than 6'9" Tyson Fury, 6" more than AJ, 5" more than Wilder!!

By pampering Ajagba, RIchard Schaefer & his other handlers are actually doing him a disservice by stifling his fistic development!! Fighting too many tomato cans makes you soft and that is one of Deontay Wilder's problems. His first 30 bouts were against total scrubs or half-baked has-beens like 42-year-old Fraudley Harrison. Sure, Wilder has the KO% numbers but he is still very raw and crude for someone with 40+ pro fights!!

Regarding development, both Efe and Wilder suffer a late start in boxing. While I agree that guys like Turnbow does nothing for his career, his management also has the luxury of a timely and proper development plan. We'll see how his next 2 or three opponents look like before I make a judgement on how's he's being matched up. He is an exciting potential though! He needs rounds before he's really tested.

oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Jan 2019, 23:34

Best Coast wrote: ↑04 Jan 2019, 23:29

oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Jan 2019, 17:33

There, in Turnbow, was a guy who should've not been paid. Disgraceful wasn't it?

I really like Efe and think he has awesome potential. His work ethic is phenomenal and his physical gifts as well. His reach is 88", which is 3" more than 6'9" Tyson Fury, 6" more than AJ, 5" more than Wilder!!

By pampering Ajagba, RIchard Schaefer & his other handlers are actually doing him a disservice by stifling his fistic development!! Fighting too many tomato cans makes you soft and that is one of Deontay Wilder's problems. His first 30 bouts were against total scrubs or half-baked has-beens like 42-year-old Fraudley Harrison. Sure, Wilder has the KO% numbers but he is still very raw and crude for someone with 40+ pro fights!!

Regarding development, both Efe and Wilder suffer a late start in boxing. While I agree that guys like Turnbow does nothing for his career, his management also has the luxury of a timely and proper development plan. We'll see how his next 2 or three opponents look like before I make a judgement on how's he's being matched up. He is an exciting potential though! He needs rounds before he's really tested.

Wilder had only 59 rounds of pro boxing in his first 32 fights. That's less than 2 rounds per bout & why he needed so many rounds to stop Molina, Duhaupas, Szpilka, etc. after he won the WBC title!!

oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Jan 2019, 22:50

Skalamanga wrote: ↑04 Jan 2019, 22:47 @Oogiebe Dychko is 28 which is still young for a heavyweight. and That is the only time in his entire amateur career where he was even dropped and it was against the best super heavyweight amateur of this era and the hardest puncher of this era in the world championship final ( a level Ajagba could never get to) , so no shame there. And yeah he deserves a better promoter/manager, it's hard to believe no one has snapped him up.

I was off by one year, so what? I went back and watched some more vids on him, and I have to say, I wasn't as impressed as I had been before. He's pretty slow. He's ahead of Efe for now, but that may change in the coming year. Efe started boxing late and didn't have much of an amateur career. Again, so what? We'll see in time what happens with each. In the meantime, enjoy the ride!

'so what'?! if he didn't have as many amateur fights. Excuses are for little girls. Dychko is from a nation who can actually fight Kazakhstan - a small nation population wise of just 18 million and constantly producing talent, whereas Nigeria are the opposite a big nation of 190 million yet cannot produce top boxers to save their life. I'm guessing you are Nigerian or maybe a member of Ajagba's team or family or something because you are overhyping him too much, there is many good prospects at heavyweight coming up yet you are just specifically hyping Dychko's son.

Oogie is not the only one who is excited by what they see in Ajagba and I'm not Nigerian either.

Dychko is a good fighter but nearer his peak and further along. I'm not excited by his potential in the same way maybe because he's much more of a known quantity.

oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Jan 2019, 20:08

candyslim wrote: ↑04 Jan 2019, 19:56

SportsRatings wrote: ↑04 Jan 2019, 14:58


Love the impatience here on Boxrec. The guy's 24 and had 8 fights (7 actual fights). Compared to most boxers he's had a pretty tough slate for just 8 fights. And he's been plenty active, 8 fights in 1.5 years is not bad. Should spend 2019 doing exactly the same, no need for him to step up the competition yet and get ahead of himself.

And I for one hope he doesn't hit 255. He's in great shape now, almost a novelty in the HW division. 235 suits him very well, and he's kept at that weight consistently.

I'm not suggesting he should be facing a Gerald Washington or even a Joey Dawejko but surely a gradual improvement in opposition quality each time out is better than fighting a succession of Turnbows which will teach him nothing but complacency.

My ideal nexr opponent could be Avery Gibson then maybe Alex Flores Jonathan Rice, Jeremiah Karpency, Chazz Witherspoon ... boxers well within his capabilities but not so advanced that he's then looking at gatekeepers as a next step up.

the usual suspects!

I thought I'd managed to avoid the usual suspects ... Woods, Greeley, Fulton, Polley, Frazier Nasciemento, Zarate, uncle Tom Cobbley etcetera etcetera

candyslim wrote: ↑05 Jan 2019, 03:32 Oogie is not the only one who is excited by what they see in Ajagba and I'm not Nigerian either.

Dychko is a good fighter but nearer his peak and further along. I'm not excited by his potential in the same way maybe because he's much more of a known quantity.

Thanks for the backup, Candy. I'm not bothered by his posts one bit.

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They've had contenders and some good ones. This kid could end that if he's as good as I believe he'll be. 2020.
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Shows your low standards there. Merely having some contenders and nearly men means NOTHING in a sport of 17 weight divisions and 4/5 world champions per weight class and weak divisions and vacant title shots. Only having good world champions count, Nigeria has a population of 190 million and only ever two world champions ever!! Nigeria are very weak at boxing clearly

If Ajagba who couldn't even do anything at Commonwealth games level in the amateurs - improves and becomes a world champion that won't 'end that' that'll merely be one exception. Like I said you have very low standards.

Skalamanga wrote: ↑05 Jan 2019, 13:00

They've had contenders and some good ones. This kid could end that if he's as good as I believe he'll be. 2020.
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Shows your low standards there. Merely having some contenders and nearly men means NOTHING in a sport of 17 weight divisions and 4/5 world champions per weight class and weak divisions and vacant title shots. Only having good world champions count, Nigeria has a population of 190 million and only ever two world champions ever!! Nigeria are very weak at boxing clearly

If Ajagba who couldn't even do anything at Commonwealth games level in the amateurs - improves and becomes a world champion that won't 'end that' that'll merely be one exception. Like I said you have very low standards.
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Sure, whatever you say. Not certain why you are hating on Nigeria. I can only think you are a troll and really have nothing relevant to add to the forum. So now you are on ignore and I am off to better posting!

Skalamanga wrote: ↑05 Jan 2019, 13:00 Nigeria has a population of 190 million and only ever two world champions ever!! Nigeria are very weak at boxing clearly.

If you're not trying to belittle Japanese boxers you are cracking on Nigerians!!
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Skalamanga wrote: ↑02 Jan 2019, 20:21 You even support the Japs over your fellow brits.

I must say I definitely think Japan are seriously overrated by some people on forums such as yourself. I do not see them as one of the best boxing nations. Apart from Inoue, I don't see them having any top talents at all.

Like most 3rd world countries, Nigerian boxers lack the advanced infrastructure of amateur boxing systems that most industrialized nations have had for many decades and lack the high-powered promoters of the professional ranks that countries like the UK and US have.

Need I remind you that the consensus best HW in the world, Anthony Joshua, is of Nigerian ancestry?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Joshua

Anthony Oluwafemi Olaseni Joshua was born on 15 October 1989 in Watford, Hertfordshire, the son of Yeta and Robert Joshua. His mother is Nigerian, while his father is British with Irish and Nigerian ancestry. Joshua's specific Nigerian background can be traced back to the Yoruba people. His cousin, Ben Lleyemi, is also a professional boxer. The pair made their professional debuts together in 2013.

Joshua spent some of his early years in Nigeria as a boarding school student. Following his parents' divorce when he was 12, he returned to the UK halfway through Year Seven to join Kings Langley Secondary School. Growing up on the Meriden Estate in Garston, Hertfordshire, he was called "Femi" by his friends and former teachers, due to his middle name, Oluwafemi. He excelled at football and athletics and broke his school's Year Nine 100 m record with a time of 11.6 seconds

If AJ hadnt returned to the UK at an early age, we might never have heard of him. Or he might have ended up a soccer player like Ajagba almost did.