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banjo wrote: ↑23 Dec 2018, 13:10 He seems to have gained popularity now that he's been knocked off his perch as the UK's top promoter, we all love an underdog don't we but no more than a few years ago he was doing what Hearn was and was slated just as much on these forums - Khan PPV's, WBU reigns of terror etc.

Autobarn wrote: ↑27 Dec 2018, 04:50

banjo wrote: ↑23 Dec 2018, 13:10 He seems to have gained popularity now that he's been knocked off his perch as the UK's top promoter, we all love an underdog don't we but no more than a few years ago he was doing what Hearn was and was slated just as much on these forums - Khan PPV's, WBU reigns of terror etc.

absolutely.

We never like the ones in power. And we never believe what they tell us on the telly box!

This forum is good, but you have to sift through the paranoia, toward the current power brokers, and sentimentality over yesterday’s. There is a huge level of resentment over anything in a position of power, or that represents the establishment.

Plenty of bad days and good, due to Warren. Many of the current posters would’ve abhorred him, 10-15 years ago.

Twinkle Toes wrote: ↑24 Dec 2018, 05:02

rhino222 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2018, 13:35 Calzaghe is a millionaire.........if you dont like your promoter, then dont go with them.

You should educate yourself on how it went down between Calzaghe and Warren. You'll know in future to not type such utter tripe.

Twinkle Toes wrote: ↑24 Dec 2018, 05:02

rhino222 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2018, 13:35 Calzaghe is a millionaire.........if you dont like your promoter, then dont go with them.

You should educate yourself on how it went down between Calzaghe and Warren. You'll know in future to not type such utter tripe.

rhino222 wrote: ↑27 Dec 2018, 09:17

Twinkle Toes wrote: ↑24 Dec 2018, 05:02

rhino222 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2018, 13:35 Calzaghe is a millionaire.........if you dont like your promoter, then dont go with them.

You should educate yourself on how it went down between Calzaghe and Warren. You'll know in future to not type such utter tripe.

all promoters are crooked, they have all had fall outs and all been sued. they line their own pockets first.....the boxer comes second. thats how they roll. im fully aware of the warren/calzaghe situation. the warren/bellew situation etc etc.

Shhhh wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 02:31 Didn’t warren fold a company which owed joe more than 1 million

Shhhh wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 02:40

Stuarty wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 02:38

Shhhh wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 02:31 Didn’t warren fold a company which owed joe more than 1 million

I think he's done that a few times mate.

I don’t understand mich about law but that cant be right now can it?

Shhhh wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 02:45

Stuarty wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 02:44

Shhhh wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 02:40

I don’t understand mich about law but that cant be right now can it?

Shouldn't be but apparently it's alright! I used to work in builders merchants and we got stung for a good few quid before. Company that humped us folded and reopened under a slightly different name. Same workers, premises, vans etc.... Opened another credit line within days I was only a young boy when that happened but I never understood it and still don't

How is that allowed mate!?!!?! It’s legalized thieving isn’t it!!? Why doesn’t every1 do this trick

Shhhh wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 02:51 Why you up at this then Stuart anyways LOL

Shhhh wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 02:57

Shhhh wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 02:55

Stuarty wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 02:53

On the class A bro. Not sleeping well recently. Been drinking beer and snorting lines! I need to take my oldest two kids out today as well Shower and coffee soon before I get the two of them ready

Hahahhahahahah player!!!! Jesus ur a strong man cant believe u can just crack on like that id be hiding in the corner lol

I can’t sleep either I’m going through a rough time (no crybaby lol) and my dreams are so disturbing they scare me... so I put it off don’t do As anymore and rarely drunk now as it almost killed em. But I I’ve a draw.

I hope the police are not boxrec fans lol

Shhhh wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 03:05

Stuarty wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 03:01

Shhhh wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 02:57
I can’t sleep either I’m going through a rough time (no crybaby lol) and my dreams are so disturbing they scare me... so I put it off don’t do As anymore and rarely drunk now as it almost killed em. But I I’ve a draw.

I hope the police are not boxrec fans lol

If the police were on here I'd be signing on the register man

Why you not sleeping mate? I have bad anxiety and I need help with it! Sometimes it fukks me up! Hope things get better bud I find this is a good place to vent etc....

Cheers bruv dealing with some horrible stuff I don’t really want to talk about it on internet LOL I get terrifying dreems and sometimes I can’t even leave my bedsit. I don’t know why but I finished my psychotherapy course an carnt get a new one til next year

Steveh583 wrote: ↑27 Dec 2018, 08:03

Autobarn wrote: ↑27 Dec 2018, 04:50

banjo wrote: ↑23 Dec 2018, 13:10 He seems to have gained popularity now that he's been knocked off his perch as the UK's top promoter, we all love an underdog don't we but no more than a few years ago he was doing what Hearn was and was slated just as much on these forums - Khan PPV's, WBU reigns of terror etc.

absolutely.

We never like the ones in power. And we never believe what they tell us on the telly box!

This forum is good, but you have to sift through the paranoia, toward the current power brokers, and sentimentality over yesterday’s. There is a huge level of resentment over anything in a position of power, or that represents the establishment.

Plenty of bad days and good, due to Warren. Many of the current posters would’ve abhorred him, 10-15 years ago.

Personally I enjoyed the warren era. There was a sense of ridiculousness that is lacking from today's promotions. I wasn't adverse to the odd knockover job either, so I could get some shut eye early doors

In all seriousness, if you listed the 30 best boxing nights in the uk, it's likely warren was involved with a good 20 if not more. Lacy vs calzaghe, Gomez vs Arthur, Bruno vs McCall,Hatton vs KT, calzaghe vs Kessler, benn vs McClellan, Eubank vs Thompson, the naz era.... bringing Tyson over..... yes he could pad a record like a motherfucker and put on a shocker of a match up, but he also delivered some great nights. Ultimately all promoters are arseholes, it doesn't take long to work that out. Hearn is starting to deliver a few anal bananas himself lately.

maverick23 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 07:08

Steveh583 wrote: ↑27 Dec 2018, 08:03

Autobarn wrote: ↑27 Dec 2018, 04:50

absolutely.

We never like the ones in power. And we never believe what they tell us on the telly box!

This forum is good, but you have to sift through the paranoia, toward the current power brokers, and sentimentality over yesterday’s. There is a huge level of resentment over anything in a position of power, or that represents the establishment.

Plenty of bad days and good, due to Warren. Many of the current posters would’ve abhorred him, 10-15 years ago.

Personally I enjoyed the warren era. There was a sense of ridiculousness that is lacking from today's promotions. I wasn't adverse to the odd knockover job either, so I could get some shut eye early doors

In all seriousness, if you listed the 30 best boxing nights in the uk, it's likely warren was involved with a good 20 if not more. Lacy vs calzaghe, Gomez vs Arthur, Bruno vs McCall,Hatton vs KT, calzaghe vs Kessler, benn vs McClellan, Eubank vs Thompson, the naz era.... bringing Tyson over..... yes he could pad a record like a motherfucker and put on a shocker of a match up, but he also delivered some great nights. Ultimately all promoters are arseholes, it doesn't take long to work that out. Hearn is starting to deliver a few anal bananas himself lately.

There’s no question FW delivered some good shows but it seems when people think of his shows from 10-20 years ago they do it through rose-tinted specs.

Some of those fights you mention were good but firstly they, more often than not, had extremely poor undercards. Check out the undercard for Hatton vs Tszyu. Or Calzaghe vs Kessler - a great main event but woeful undercard. Compare that with Joshua vs Parker - another unification fight but I would argue a much better undercard.

We seem to forget all his poor cards (Calzaghe headlined against Bika albeit with a decent undercard and Manfredo Jr after beating Lacy). I don’t think that kind of match making would be accepted now.

Also look at the Khan vs Prescott PPV. The opponent in the fight was someone very few of us had heard of and in the fights before this Khan had been fighting for the Commonwealth title. There was one competitive fight on the undercard - Alex Arthur vs Nicky Cook. I know there are far too many PPVs nowadays but are any of the Sky PPVs of recent years worse than that? I would argue not.

I personally don’t have any respect for FW as a person. He’s been involved in legal proceedings with at least 6 boxers (and even IFLTV) just in recent years and many more before that. He’s had several claims of late payment for fights and has also gone into administration several times and avoided paying what he’s owed to people.

I’m not a huge fan of Eddie but Matchroom have never gone into administration to avoid paying someone, have always paid what’s due on time and, as far as I’m aware, haven’t taken any boxers to court.

rhino222 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 08:01 did FW not bail out the BBBC after the michael watson saga?

maverick23 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 07:08

Steveh583 wrote: ↑27 Dec 2018, 08:03

Autobarn wrote: ↑27 Dec 2018, 04:50

absolutely.

We never like the ones in power. And we never believe what they tell us on the telly box!

This forum is good, but you have to sift through the paranoia, toward the current power brokers, and sentimentality over yesterday’s. There is a huge level of resentment over anything in a position of power, or that represents the establishment.

Plenty of bad days and good, due to Warren. Many of the current posters would’ve abhorred him, 10-15 years ago.

Personally I enjoyed the warren era. There was a sense of ridiculousness that is lacking from today's promotions. I wasn't adverse to the odd knockover job either, so I could get some shut eye early doors

In all seriousness, if you listed the 30 best boxing nights in the uk, it's likely warren was involved with a good 20 if not more. Lacy vs calzaghe, Gomez vs Arthur, Bruno vs McCall,Hatton vs KT, calzaghe vs Kessler, benn vs McClellan, Eubank vs Thompson, the naz era.... bringing Tyson over..... yes he could pad a record like a motherfucker and put on a shocker of a match up, but he also delivered some great nights. Ultimately all promoters are arseholes, it doesn't take long to work that out. Hearn is starting to deliver a few anal bananas himself lately.

There’s no question FW delivered some good shows but it seems when people think of his shows from 10-20 years ago they do it through rose-tinted specs.

Some of those fights you mention were good but firstly they, more often than not, had extremely poor undercards. Check out the undercard for Hatton vs Tszyu. Or Calzaghe vs Kessler - a great main event but woeful undercard. Compare that with Joshua vs Parker - another unification fight but I would argue a much better undercard.

We seem to forget all his poor cards (Calzaghe headlined against Bika albeit with a decent undercard and Manfredo Jr after beating Lacy). I don’t think that kind of match making would be accepted now.

Also look at the Khan vs Prescott PPV. The opponent in the fight was someone very few of us had heard of and in the fights before this Khan had been fighting for the Commonwealth title. There was one competitive fight on the undercard - Alex Arthur vs Nicky Cook. I know there are far too many PPVs nowadays but are any of the Sky PPVs of recent years worse than that? I would argue not.

I personally don’t have any respect for FW as a person. He’s been involved in legal proceedings with at least 6 boxers (and even IFLTV) just in recent years and many more before that. He’s had several claims of late payment for fights and has also gone into administration several times and avoided paying what he’s owed to people.

I’m not a huge fan of Eddie but Matchroom have never gone into administration to avoid paying someone, have always paid what’s due on time and, as far as I’m aware, haven’t taken any boxers to court.

Coco wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 08:14

rhino222 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 08:01 did FW not bail out the BBBC after the michael watson saga?

Certainly did and moreover gave every pro 100 quid towards having the new MRI scans

maverick23 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 07:08

Steveh583 wrote: ↑27 Dec 2018, 08:03

Autobarn wrote: ↑27 Dec 2018, 04:50

absolutely.

We never like the ones in power. And we never believe what they tell us on the telly box!

This forum is good, but you have to sift through the paranoia, toward the current power brokers, and sentimentality over yesterday’s. There is a huge level of resentment over anything in a position of power, or that represents the establishment.

Plenty of bad days and good, due to Warren. Many of the current posters would’ve abhorred him, 10-15 years ago.

Personally I enjoyed the warren era. There was a sense of ridiculousness that is lacking from today's promotions. I wasn't adverse to the odd knockover job either, so I could get some shut eye early doors

In all seriousness, if you listed the 30 best boxing nights in the uk, it's likely warren was involved with a good 20 if not more. Lacy vs calzaghe, Gomez vs Arthur, Bruno vs McCall,Hatton vs KT, calzaghe vs Kessler, benn vs McClellan, Eubank vs Thompson, the naz era.... bringing Tyson over..... yes he could pad a record like a motherfucker and put on a shocker of a match up, but he also delivered some great nights. Ultimately all promoters are arseholes, it doesn't take long to work that out. Hearn is starting to deliver a few anal bananas himself lately.

There’s no question FW delivered some good shows but it seems when people think of his shows from 10-20 years ago they do it through rose-tinted specs.

Some of those fights you mention were good but firstly they, more often than not, had extremely poor undercards. Check out the undercard for Hatton vs Tszyu. Or Calzaghe vs Kessler - a great main event but woeful undercard. Compare that with Joshua vs Parker - another unification fight but I would argue a much better undercard.

We seem to forget all his poor cards (Calzaghe headlined against Bika albeit with a decent undercard and Manfredo Jr after beating Lacy). I don’t think that kind of match making would be accepted now.

Also look at the Khan vs Prescott PPV. The opponent in the fight was someone very few of us had heard of and in the fights before this Khan had been fighting for the Commonwealth title. There was one competitive fight on the undercard - Alex Arthur vs Nicky Cook. I know there are far too many PPVs nowadays but are any of the Sky PPVs of recent years worse than that? I would argue not.

I personally don’t have any respect for FW as a person. He’s been involved in legal proceedings with at least 6 boxers (and even IFLTV) just in recent years and many more before that. He’s had several claims of late payment for fights and has also gone into administration several times and avoided paying what he’s owed to people.

I’m not a huge fan of Eddie but Matchroom have never gone into administration to avoid paying someone, have always paid what’s due on time and, as far as I’m aware, haven’t taken any boxers to court.

Steveh583 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 08:49

maverick23 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 07:08

Steveh583 wrote: ↑27 Dec 2018, 08:03

Personally I enjoyed the warren era. There was a sense of ridiculousness that is lacking from today's promotions. I wasn't adverse to the odd knockover job either, so I could get some shut eye early doors

In all seriousness, if you listed the 30 best boxing nights in the uk, it's likely warren was involved with a good 20 if not more. Lacy vs calzaghe, Gomez vs Arthur, Bruno vs McCall,Hatton vs KT, calzaghe vs Kessler, benn vs McClellan, Eubank vs Thompson, the naz era.... bringing Tyson over..... yes he could pad a record like a motherfucker and put on a shocker of a match up, but he also delivered some great nights. Ultimately all promoters are arseholes, it doesn't take long to work that out. Hearn is starting to deliver a few anal bananas himself lately.

There’s no question FW delivered some good shows but it seems when people think of his shows from 10-20 years ago they do it through rose-tinted specs.

Some of those fights you mention were good but firstly they, more often than not, had extremely poor undercards. Check out the undercard for Hatton vs Tszyu. Or Calzaghe vs Kessler - a great main event but woeful undercard. Compare that with Joshua vs Parker - another unification fight but I would argue a much better undercard.

We seem to forget all his poor cards (Calzaghe headlined against Bika albeit with a decent undercard and Manfredo Jr after beating Lacy). I don’t think that kind of match making would be accepted now.

Also look at the Khan vs Prescott PPV. The opponent in the fight was someone very few of us had heard of and in the fights before this Khan had been fighting for the Commonwealth title. There was one competitive fight on the undercard - Alex Arthur vs Nicky Cook. I know there are far too many PPVs nowadays but are any of the Sky PPVs of recent years worse than that? I would argue not.

I personally don’t have any respect for FW as a person. He’s been involved in legal proceedings with at least 6 boxers (and even IFLTV) just in recent years and many more before that. He’s had several claims of late payment for fights and has also gone into administration several times and avoided paying what he’s owed to people.

I’m not a huge fan of Eddie but Matchroom have never gone into administration to avoid paying someone, have always paid what’s due on time and, as far as I’m aware, haven’t taken any boxers to court.

All good points tbh. It wasn't all good. Tho Eddie puts on equal shockers and people spring to his defence as well. Brook vs Gavin etc.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 09:27

maverick23 wrote: ↑28 Dec 2018, 07:08

Steveh583 wrote: ↑27 Dec 2018, 08:03

Personally I enjoyed the warren era. There was a sense of ridiculousness that is lacking from today's promotions. I wasn't adverse to the odd knockover job either, so I could get some shut eye early doors

In all seriousness, if you listed the 30 best boxing nights in the uk, it's likely warren was involved with a good 20 if not more. Lacy vs calzaghe, Gomez vs Arthur, Bruno vs McCall,Hatton vs KT, calzaghe vs Kessler, benn vs McClellan, Eubank vs Thompson, the naz era.... bringing Tyson over..... yes he could pad a record like a motherfucker and put on a shocker of a match up, but he also delivered some great nights. Ultimately all promoters are arseholes, it doesn't take long to work that out. Hearn is starting to deliver a few anal bananas himself lately.

There’s no question FW delivered some good shows but it seems when people think of his shows from 10-20 years ago they do it through rose-tinted specs.

Some of those fights you mention were good but firstly they, more often than not, had extremely poor undercards. Check out the undercard for Hatton vs Tszyu. Or Calzaghe vs Kessler - a great main event but woeful undercard. Compare that with Joshua vs Parker - another unification fight but I would argue a much better undercard.

We seem to forget all his poor cards (Calzaghe headlined against Bika albeit with a decent undercard and Manfredo Jr after beating Lacy). I don’t think that kind of match making would be accepted now.

Also look at the Khan vs Prescott PPV. The opponent in the fight was someone very few of us had heard of and in the fights before this Khan had been fighting for the Commonwealth title. There was one competitive fight on the undercard - Alex Arthur vs Nicky Cook. I know there are far too many PPVs nowadays but are any of the Sky PPVs of recent years worse than that? I would argue not.

I personally don’t have any respect for FW as a person. He’s been involved in legal proceedings with at least 6 boxers (and even IFLTV) just in recent years and many more before that. He’s had several claims of late payment for fights and has also gone into administration several times and avoided paying what he’s owed to people.

I’m not a huge fan of Eddie but Matchroom have never gone into administration to avoid paying someone, have always paid what’s due on time and, as far as I’m aware, haven’t taken any boxers to court.

Jason Welborn was a worse challenger than Manfredo Jr.